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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 18, 2022, 7:42 pm
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"This argument can be used back by the democrats to attack us
when we complain the nation's democracy and dissatisfaction to
it."
No, don't you get it? It is democracy which discourages
emigration by offering dissatisfied people a chance to change
the government by voting in the next election, thus persuading
them to stay indefinitely! It is democracy which leads to two
sides with opposing ideas perpetually living in the same country
because each side thinks it can get its way in a few years' time
by gaining majority support and thus forcing the other side in
the minority to go along with it! It is democracy which leads to
people in the minority ultimately paying decades of taxes to
support policies they disagree with, because they think next
time they can get the other side to pay taxes to support their
own policies (which the other side disagrees with)!
Compare it with a business. If there is only one boss and
everyone else is an employee, then all dissatisfied employees
can simply quit. But if instead everyone is a shareholder, then
the dissatisfied shareholders buy more and form coalitions until
they are in control of the business, and then the remainder who
have lost control now do the same thing (buy even more and form
new coalitions) to try to get control back, and so on. It is
obvious that the point of shareholding is to get the
dissatisfied to invest further. It is the same with democracy.
"If the people's private live tend to resulting reproduction"
Then it is not private.
"camouflaging secret illegal political movements"
State-encouraged activities can also camouflage this.
"spread their private's life to public whether through
electronic tools like social media or photos, but the values is
contrary to the national ideals."
The two should be openly compared side by side. Suppression only
proves the national ideals feel threatened.
The reason why so many people out there erroneously conflate
democracy with free speech etc. is because of attitudes like
yours: wanting to combine autocracy with censorship. We are here
to break this false link, and the way to do so is to show that
we as autocracy supporters defend free speech at the same time.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: guest78
Date: August 18, 2022, 7:51 pm
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Only a foolish autocrat would not support free-speech:
HTML https://img.ifunny.co/images/175833dcb8ca420f1881dad0e8a5530a1fd7b871001832cf6567e811d7642d8f_1.jpg
However, only fools in general believe that there are no
consequences associated with saying whatever one pleases and
whenever one pleases. Every action in life has consequences
associated with it.
We did not create this world and make it so, Yahweh did!
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 19, 2022, 3:26 pm
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HTML https://vdare.com/posts/npr-ipsos-poll-majority-believes-the-invasion-at-the-southwest-border-is-an-invasion
--- Quote ---
> Fifty-three percent believe it is true or somewhat true that
illegal aliens are invading the country. The breakdown: 76
percent of Republicans and 41 percent of Democrats, and 47
percent of Independents.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/58254/VDARE-americans-polled-invasion.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/srSJzRW.png
Why do leftists still support democracy?
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: guest30
Date: August 21, 2022, 8:12 am
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Source :
HTML https://www.bnnvara.nl/joop/artikelen/schokkend-maar-zes-procent-van-nederlanders-denk-dat-kolonialisme-slecht-was
The article post written on 07th July 2021
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> Dutch colonial language :
>
> In een moedige zet bood Femke Halsema kortgeleden een algemeen
excuses aan voor Amsterdams voorname rol in de slavernij. Maar
wat hebben excuses voor zin als op dit moment de helft van het
land vindt dat kolonialisme iets is om trots op te zijn? En 94
procent het niet wil bestempelen als iets negatiefs?
--- End Quote ---
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> English colonial language :
>
> In a brave move, Femke Halsema recently offered a general
apology for Amsterdam's prominent role in slavery. But what's
the point of apologies if right now half the country thinks
colonialism is something to be proud of? And 94 percent don't
want to label it as something negative?
--- End Quote ---
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If we allowed democratic thinking work, then based on the polls
graphic result above. We allow that the majority of people to
see the European colonialism as a good thing. Even though they
not directly saw the oppression, mass forced work, mass murder,
and unfair treatment between the colonizers and the colonized
people by their ancestors. And their government possibly can be
justified not to accountable for their colonial past, because
the majority was not feel it as a problem and a bad thing.
The 7 European nations above, only Germany whose people are
mostly see their nation's colonial past were bad rather than who
proud of it. The others are still mostly proud and see their
nation's colonialism was a good thing. And the Netherlanders are
the worst thing we ever see on how they see their nation's
colonialism in the past...
If the majority of Europeans not to be forced to condemn
colonialism. In the future they will see the colonialism as a
good thing, and possibly they will make more destabilization and
oppression to the rest of the world again for the second time.
Today's NATO army's and economic oppression just a beginning.
This make me remembering this event and want it to be happen
again.
HTML https://marketgarden.com/2010/UK/pics/map-inval-1940.jpg
Source :
HTML https://maken.wikiwijs.nl/74014/German_occupation_of_The_Netherlands
HTML https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/cc/55/44cc55d615b2ce0a99042674aa4f0e3b.png
Source :
HTML https://id.pinterest.com/pin/578994095819021661/
The vaterland's troop's invasion of Netherlands map
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: guest78
Date: August 21, 2022, 1:49 pm
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You know what has always fascinated me about the Judeo-Masonic
democracy model is the fact that all western countries
military's are authoritarian, whilst the public and it's
institutions are democracies. In other-words, authoritarianism
is used to protect democracy in western countries. Likewise in
the Judeo-Masonic model, the Freemasonic Supreme Council members
are not elected by Freemasons but appointed, only in the lower
level lodges of freemasonry is democracy used. Only
authoritarian systems can protect democracy? How is this not
hypocrisy by western democracy worshipers?
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Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest78
Date: August 21, 2022, 2:19 pm
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How Belarusians are fighting Putin in their country and in
Ukraine | Franak Viacorka
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> "If Ukraine fails, there will not be a chance for democracy in
Belarus."
>
> Between 500 and 2000 Belarusians have joined Ukrainian
battalions, says Svetlana Tsihanouskaya's senior advisor Franak
Viacorka, adding Belarus is occupied by Russians now, like
France during World War II.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdGuajiHPFc
In the western democratic mind only autocrats can be tyrants and
puppets, even with this democratically elected tyrant and puppet
staring them right in the face:
[img]
HTML https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump16.jpg?quality=85&w=594[/img]
My point above is further proven by this article:
Trump's tyranny proved America isn't immune to authoritarianism.
But we can survive it.
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> One way to combat tyrants is by limiting their power over
people through reading.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-tyranny-proved-america-isn-t-immune-authoritarianism-we-ncna1252372
The double-think in westerners is increasingly hypocritical,
their brain's are truly broken...
Not all dictators and authoritarians are tyrants, but democracy
is always a tyranny of a majority.
See also:
Why Socrates Hated Democracy
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: guest30
Date: August 22, 2022, 1:23 am
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@NSFAN
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> "...Only authoritarian systems can protect democracy? How is
this not hypocrisy by western democracy worshipers?"
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That is how liberalism works. Protect the people how bad they
are, give them freedom of expression even though it oppressing
people, as long as not harming the society's security, they
allowed to live. The government only engaged when the people's
physical condition and their democracy are threatened.
Like how Western Greece treated their conquered anti-Western
Persian people
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 22, 2022, 8:18 pm
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Someone else understands (0:48-1:15) that democracy was only
ever meant for the demos:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGaoLuRQbic
Suffragism (ie. support for those not originally intended to be
part of the demos to be allowed to vote) is not democracy, but
anti-democracy. This is why it is not a contradiction for us to
ideologically prefer autocracy but to pragmatically support
winning elections via Demographic Blueshift for now.
When we see rightists react to suffragism by claiming that
post-suffragism elections are invalid, it is inaccurate to
accuse them of being anti-democracy. They are the ones wanting
to restore elections to being democratic elections as opposed to
suffragist elections. They are the democrats. We are the
anti-democrats. And this is what makes us morally superior and
them morally inferior.
#Post#: 15405--------------------------------------------------
Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: guest30
Date: August 30, 2022, 2:24 am
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Debate with the so-called "leftist" people on Discord group
named "Political Centre"
Date photographed :
Session 1 : Monday, 29th August 2022, 12 : 16 until 12 : 19
Jakarta Time
Session 2 : Tuesday, 30th August 2022, 11 : 58 Jakarta Time
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Explanation 1 :
He said to me that imagine we had a good dictator and his
lackeys governed a more or less 75 millions people. There are
simply less evil people needed to run dictatorship rather than
democracy and republic. And there's no guaranteeing the policies
of a country under one person.
I answered him that even the democracy which run by the millions
of people still not yet stop their government's oppressive
policies which destroying the environment outside their nation.
It means the democracy and the people failed to stop and prevent
such unethical attitude. Or they don't care about the
government's oppressive policies to the outside the nation
because they not bothered with it. So they ignore it.
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Explanation 2 :
I said that the modern Germany were responsible for invasion of
innocent Afghanistan people (During 2001 until 2021) and it
happened during democracy system were used by German's
government officials to govern their people. And he said with
satirical attempt to insult dictatorship with sentence which
explained that 1930s Germany were "famously bastion of a great
rule".
And I answered to him that it was indeed a great rule, even the
European colonial powers were severely damaged which culminating
in anti-colonial movements across the world.
And he only answered again with satirical sentences not with
knowledge arguments. With saying that even the dictatorship were
"famously worked well in USSR
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Explanation 3 :
He only answered my knowledge arguments with another sarcastic
and satiristic sentences again and again.
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Explanation 4 :
I'm explained again to him today that the democracy will allow
the majority of people's will even though it's oppressive. I'm
showing him an example of survey polls which already did on
Wednesday, 11th March 2020, which shows that 32 percents of
British people still proud of their ancestors's colonialism in
the past which outnumbered only 19 percents of British people
who consider that the colonialism was wrong and shameful. And I
said to him that if we use how the policies were made through
democracy, then we will justify the people's proud feelings on
seeing their ancestor's colonial past. Because the majority
still agree with it.
And until now there's no response anymore from him even though
he is online on Discord now... It means he not want to answer
and discuss anymore. And he can be predicted that he not want to
acknowledge the truth about the flaws of democracy.
Discord group "Political Centre"
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The Discord profile of the opponents :
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 4, 2022, 6:14 pm
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This enemy article notes that Madison Grant understood how
democracy was designed to work (and indeed did work so long as
voting was limited to the demos):
HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2022/09/madison-grant-conquest-of-a-continent/
--- Quote ---
> When the people, rather than their rulers, had a chance to
speak, their instincts were healthy. Grant recounts with
satisfaction an 1879 California ballot to limit Chinese
immigration, in which the vote was 154,638 to 833. “There have
been few issues in American history carried by a more nearly
unanimous vote,” he adds.
--- End Quote ---
Essentially, democracy is a statistical device to minimize the
probability of anti-tribalist decisionmaking. It is far easier
for a monarch to decide to do what is ethical than for a
majority of the demos to simultaneously decide to do so.
Note furthermore what kind of bloodlines Grant preferred to
populate the demos to produce the kind of democracy he wants:
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> In his view, wealth and cultivation are always signs of better
stock.
> ...
> he is surprisingly unworried about the criminals who were
transported to the colonies in the early days.
> ...
> He also likes the rebellious, freebooting quality of early
settlers.
> ...
> he admires their pioneering, Indian-fighting spirit. As yet
more rebels and dissenters arrived, they headed further west,
opening the country.
--- End Quote ---
What decisions are likely to be made by the majority opinion of
voters of bloodlines like these? Now you know how democracy was
intended by Westerners to work.
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