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Western Democracy
By: guest5 Date: October 31, 2020, 12:55 am
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Millennials are losing faith in democracy, study suggests
[quote]Satisfaction was bad in the United States, Brazil,
Mexico, South Africa, France, Australia and the United Kingdom,
the study found.[/quote]
[quote]Young people are less satisfied with democracy and more
disillusioned than at any other time in the past century,
especially in Europe, North America, Africa and Australia, a
study by the University of Cambridge has found.
Millennials, or those born between 1981 and 1996, are more
disillusioned than Generation X, those born between 1965 and
1981, or Baby Boomers born between 1944 and 1964 and the
Interwar Generation of 1918-1943.
"Across the world, younger generations are not only more
dissatisfied with democratic performance than the old, but also
more discontented than previous generations at similar life
stages," the Cambridge study found.[/quote]
[quote]The picture is bad in the United States, Brazil, Mexico,
South Africa, France, Australia and the United Kingdom.
But satisfaction has increased in Germany, South Korea and many
of the post-Communist countries of Central and Eastern Europe.
The main reason behind the disillusion with democracy among
young people was inequality of wealth and income, the report
said, citing figures showing that Millennials make up around a
quarter of the US population but hold just 3% of the wealth.
Baby Boomers held 21% of the wealth at the same age.
The study suggested that the populist challenge to mainstream,
"establishment" politics could actually help improve democratic
engagement by shocking moderate parties and leaders into
reversing the decay.
The Cambridge Centre for the Future of Democracy delved into
data from more than 4.8 million respondents collected across 160
countries between 1973 and 2020.[/quote]
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/world/millennial-democracy-satisfaction-intl-scli/index.html
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Re: Western Democracy
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 4, 2020, 3:09 am
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Imagine living in a country where we didn't have to go through
the stress of elections once every few years. How relaxing would
that be? How much more time for ourselves we would have?
Imagine furthermore all the money saved from not having to do
any election campaigning, which could instead be spent on
actually helping those in need.
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Re: Western Democracy
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 4, 2020, 11:32 pm
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Mainstream journalists are finally starting to get it:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-look-trump-voters-wonder-000638494.html
[quote]The Trump victory in 2016 was blurry, and therefore
relatively easy for people to distance themselves from larger
meaning. Hillary Clinton, the logic went, had singular
vulnerabilities. There was Russian interference. Lots of Trump
voters likely didn’t think he was going to win but were eager to
use their votes to send a message of protest to the
establishment of both parties. Plenty of people regarded his
persona as a flamboyant put-on, and assumed he would embrace
moderation and restraint in the event he was invested with real
responsibility.
The 2020 results remain blurry but the central question on the
table in this election was vividly clear. Is Trump’s
norm-shattering governing style OK with you? Former president
Barack Obama framed it sharply in at the summer convention:
“That’s what’s at stake right now—our democracy.”
Here is an uncomfortable reality for Obama and anyone who agreed
with his words. Trump is on track to grow his popular vote total
by millions of people, not one of whom could have been under any
illusions about what they were voting for. Unlike 2016, there is
no way to dismiss this as a flukish accident of democracy, or an
illegitimate manipulation of democracy. His support was a robust
expression of democracy.[/quote]
We have been saying this from the beginning. It is obvious that
Trump could never have become head of state if he had been born
in China. What made it possible for him to become head of state
in the US?
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Re: Western Democracy
By: rp Date: November 7, 2020, 11:28 am
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"Imagine living in a country where we didn't have to go through
the stress of elections once every few years. How relaxing would
that be?"
The stress levels are unbearable. Especially given what's at
stake this time around.
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Re: Western Democracy
By: guest5 Date: November 7, 2020, 1:09 pm
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$14 billion spent on election instead of people – Wolff
[quote]US presidential candidates have spent $14 billion on this
election cycle, making it the most expensive election in
history. But more money will be poured into new legal battles
over state recounts for both Joe Biden and Donald Trump's
campaigns. The markets are responding to this uncertainty.
Economics professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst
Richard Wolff breaks it down.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNqYpfBPM
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Re: Western Democracy
By: guest5 Date: November 10, 2020, 11:56 pm
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Why Socrates Hated Democracy
[quote]We’re used to thinking hugely well of democracy. But
interestingly, one of the wisest people who ever lived,
Socrates, had deep suspicions of it.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk&t=13s
[quote]Jason Matson
6 days ago
Fast forward to today & his pessimism is clearly justified
[/quote]
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Re: Western Democracy
By: Starling Date: November 11, 2020, 3:08 am
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It's not a democracy, one of those little
fish is the leader.
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Re: Western Democracy
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 17, 2020, 10:24 pm
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OLD CONTENT
"Why is democracy still revered among leftists?"
Because the False Left suffers from severe cognitive dissonance,
which I believe was deliberately engineered back in the mid-20th
century. I think a lot of it has to do with the case for
decolonization being made in terms of: "the colonized
populations attaining democracy". Most colonies wanting
independence made the fatal mistake (often under the
disingenuous advice of Freemasons, including plenty of Jews) of
arguing for independence by pointing out that colonial rule
meant that the colonial subjects (having no suffrage) were being
denied democracy. This of course was moronic: if they were
sincere, they should have demanded empire citizenship (and hence
suffrage) for all colonial subjects (thereby transforming the
colonial empire into an ordinary empire), not independence. But
the colonial powers cunningly accepted this stupid argument and
gave the colonies (superficial) independence, thereby linking
anti-colonialism (what started as a leftist concern) with
democracy (a feature of Western civilization) in the common
mind, thus effectively perverting mainstream anti-colonialism
into a pro-Western(!) movement, along the lines of: "The
colonized populations can become better Westerners by becoming
voters in independent countries than by remaining as non-voting
colonial subjects!"
"Why is there still a negative connotation associated with
autocracy?"
Because False Leftists have cut themselves off from ancient
thinking. They shallowly associate historical autocracies with
liberal words such as "privileged" or "entitled", instead of
seeing in them the only hope for ever truly achieving leftist
causes (which is all that is meant by ancient non-Westerners
once believing absolute monarchs to be living gods).
"How do we distinguish from those who make pro democratic
arguments with subversive motives (Jews), and those who do so
simply because they are unradicalized (Aryans)?"
We do not need to do so. We can debate against both categories
in the same way. As I keep saying, a debate is not about trying
to persuade your opponent that you are correct, but about trying
to show the audience the inferiority of your opponent compared
to yourself, thus winning over the audience. Whether the
inferiority of your opponent is caused by subversive motives or
by sheer delusion need be of no concern to you.
(By the way, I would not use the term "Aryan" to describe anyone
who is pro-democracy. Farms are run not by majority opinion but
by expert opinion. It is indeed our contention that autocracy
originated as part of the Neolithic Revolution.)
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Re: Western Democracy
By: rp Date: November 18, 2020, 2:57 am
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Just listened to this gem again:
John Alan Martinson Jr - Monarchism The Last Bastille Podcast:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhoYbdVMg9M
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Re: Western Democracy
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 11, 2020, 2:49 am
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Now that mainstream leftists are finally able to accuse Trump of
a coup, False Leftists are once again completely screwing up
their framing of the scenario. They accuse Trump of being
anti-democracy while portraying Trump critics as pro-democracy,
as if only pro-democracy people could oppose Trump.
Firstly, is Trump anti-democracy? No. Trump (who loves being
popular) would surely prefer to have won the election cleanly
than have to resort to trying to invalidate the election
results. It is only because the results did not go Trump's way
that he is falling back on invalidating the election results in
an attempt to retain power. And even then Trump is claiming to
be the winner of the election, in other words he is still
reinforcing the notion that winning the election is what should
determine leadership; he is merely lying about who won. In other
words, Trump is fundamentally pro-democracy, but just in a
dishonest way. (In contrast, an actual anti-democrat would argue
that it is wrong for popularity to determine leadership.)
Secondly, is it logically necessary to be pro-democracy in order
to oppose Trump? No. If we could travel back in time to end
democracy in 2016 and let Obama directly choose his own
successor (who would at least not have been Trump), we would do
so rather than let Trump win in 2016. False Leftists probably
would not, but this only proves that if anything we oppose Trump
more strongly than False Leftists do, since False Leftists would
prefer to maintain democracy than keep Trump away from power.
Which brings me onto the main point. We are in this mess right
now because of democracy. It is because the US has elections in
the first place that it opens itself up to the possibility of
election results being disputed. If the US did not have
elections at all, no one can claim the leader at any time is
illegitimate on account of cheating because there is no space
left open for cheating to begin with. You can like or dislike
Xi, but no one can claim he became the leader of China by
cheating. It is only in countries with elections that the
situation can arise where the apparent election loser can claim
the apparent election winner cheated. To focus on whether or not
the claim is true is already missing to point. On this
particular occasion (Trump claiming Biden cheated) the claim is
obviously false. But on another occasion (e.g. Abrams claiming
Kemp cheated) the claim may be true. The point, however, is that
the belief in popularity as the determinant of suitability for
leadership is what permits such claims - true or false - to be
made at any time someone doesn't like the results. As True
Leftists, we should be focusing on fixing the system so that
neither cheating nor allegations of cheating are any longer
possible. Eliminating elections is not the only ingredient of
the fix, but is by far the most obvious.
Autocracy was preferred by the ancients (including throughout
the New World before Western civilization showed up) precisely
to avoid the situation like the one we are currently
experiencing. This elementary wisdom is what we should be
getting back to.
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