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#Post#: 28306--------------------------------------------------
Re: Communism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 16, 2024, 7:10 am
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During 1970s, the Chinese and United States began to reconcile,
but Soviet Russia became increasingly Supported the "White Race"
and their Western Civilization
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> [center][From the Saturday Erening Post, July-August 1973]
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> [center]U.S.S.R.: SUPERPOWER OR PAPER TIGER? [/center]
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> [center](By Otto Von Habsburg) [/center]
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> [center]There is but one way to face Russia effectively: with
courage! -KARL MARX.[/center]
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> Since President Nixon's much publicized trip to Peking in
February, 1972, Chinese missions have visited all the capitals
of the non-Communist world.They are particularly numerous today
in Western Europe-generally unobtrusive, quite discreet but
persuasive. Much to the dismay of many businessmen, they rarely
talk of trade or that perennial economic facta morgana, the
China market. Instead, they speak about politics and the
worldwide dangers of Soviet imperialism. Their discourses
generally end with the suggestion that, as neighbours of the
same aggressive power, Europeans and Asians should come to an
understanding.
>
> Soviet representatives and there are plenty of them use, in
turn, a new language. The "solidarity of the white race" and the
"defense of our common cultural heritage against the threat from
China" have become standard formulas. The words remind one of
the late German Emperior, William II, who used to talk of the
"yellow peril."
>
> Thus the Sino-Soviet conflict, first indicated by the Russian
Communique of November 4, 1956, when the Red Army marched into
Hungary, has crossed a new threshold-the global confrontation
and the search for allies outside the Communist camp. This is
added proof that those few commentators were right, who, from
the beginning, had insisted that the struggle of the Communist
giants was no ideological confrontation. Now, for all to see, we
have the na- tional rivalry, more profound than passing
political philosophies beeause it transcends party lines and
mobilizes all the people to serve "Mother Russia" or the
liberation and reunion of the tribes of Asia.
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#Post#: 29202--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 17, 2025, 4:40 pm
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RedNote/Xiaohongshu tops app store charts during impending
TikTok ban, and people swarm to learn Mandarin on Duolingo
HTML https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/rednote-chinese-tiktok-alternative-tops-app-charts-ahead-ban-rcna187497
HTML https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/16/duolingo-shares-climb-7percent-as-users-swarm-to-app-to-learn-mandarin.html
Correction: RedNote is more like Instagram than TikTok, from
what I’ve heard. But I’m glad that more people are waking up to
the extreme anti-China bias and propaganda emanating from the
West, and that people are stepping through the Great Firewall to
get a more balanced view on mainland China and the people there.
Hopefully this’ll set the stage for better relations between
America and China in the future, and put some form of dent in
the hypothetical Arctic Alliance
I didn’t use TikTok at all, but some people are saying that it’s
only being banned (or sold off to an American company) because
the current U.S. government can’t control it with their own
propaganda, particularly concerning major events such as
Israel-Palestine. So if that’s true, then I’m sad to see it go
#Post#: 29204--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 18, 2025, 3:24 pm
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"and put some form of dent in the hypothetical Arctic Alliance"
I'm not sure what mechanism you are imagining by which this
would happen. Can you elaborate? (Could it not as easily
strengthen the Arctic Alliance as weaken it?)
#Post#: 29206--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 18, 2025, 6:49 pm
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@90sRetroFan I’m hoping that with Americans getting increased
exposure to China from China’s perspective on Chinese social
media like RedNote, America will become a better friend of China
in the future. You said that ideally, we should get China to
side with America over Russia, and hence put a dent in the
Arctic Alliance. So that’s why I see this as a good development.
And it seems like the company behind RedNote is handling this
well so far. They appear to be accepting the American TikTok
refugees, and so are many of the app’s Chinese users
Why do you think it could potentially strengthen the Arctic
Alliance? I’m curious
#Post#: 29207--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 18, 2025, 7:05 pm
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"You said that ideally, we should get China to side with America
over Russia,"
Yes, I said this.
"and hence put a dent in the Arctic Alliance."
I did not say this. If you think I did, please link to the exact
post.
"Why do you think it could potentially strengthen the Arctic
Alliance?"
Here is the definition of Arctic Alliance:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg17321/#msg17321
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> an enemy narrative that wants to persuade "yellows" to feel
closer to "whites" (who are in fact their oppressors) than to
other "non-whites" (who are in fact their fellow victims of
oppression at the hands of "whites").
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US TikTok refugees arriving on RedNote include both "whites" and
"non-whites". Which among them will leave a better impression
among RedNoters in China is yet unknown. If the former, the
Arctic Alliance will be strengthened. If the latter, the Arctic
Alliance will be weakened.
#Post#: 29208--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 18, 2025, 7:35 pm
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That’s just my perspective, thrown in. I don’t think you
yourself ever said it, just to be clear
And it seems like the types of people going to RedNote are the
types to be nominally on the left, who believe that the TikTok
ban is nothing more than an attempt to stifle movements like the
pro-Palestine cause (since TikTok is not American-owned, so they
have no reason to be pressured by Zionist powers within
America). And who believe that the current anti-China sentiment
is just a distraction to prevent people from realizing that the
current government’s non-leftist economic policies, and
America’s self-centered billionaires, are hurting everyday
Americans far more than China ever could. So if anything, I
think that the perspectives that Chinese users will be exposed
to, will be more to the left than the right. Conservatives and
other non-leftists seem to be fine with the ban, or are outright
celebrating it, so they’re staying far away from RedNote
Also, Eurocentric Chinese people will already automatically be
finding any excuse to compare non-whites to “whites” anyways, so
I don’t think these sorts of positive interactions between
Americans and Chinese people will help their case in any way. I
think it’s more likely to help our side, even if probably by a
minute amount. But maybe my optimism here is unfounded
#Post#: 29209--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 18, 2025, 8:07 pm
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"I think it’s more likely to help our side, even if probably by
a minute amount. But maybe my optimism here is unfounded"
Even leaving aside the Arctic Alliance risk, another worry I
have is how the new US RedNoters are praising China's machines,
which will surely convince many China Rednoters to be (even
more) proud of "New China" machinism. This goes directly against
our regressivist objectives.
"the types of people going to RedNote are the types to be
nominally on the left"
Yes, but progressives, hence the above problem.
#Post#: 29211--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 19, 2025, 8:33 pm
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This is getting even more messed up. Left-leaning US RedNoters,
who previously believed that both China and Russia are enemies
of the US, but now beyond doubt that the US government has been
lying to them about China, are immediately presuming that the US
government has been lying to them about Russia too. Worse, the
"New China" Duginist RedNoters (who have freshly gained US
RedNoters' trust) are encouraging this view that Russia is also
not hostile, and are being believed.
So now it appears as though we are not even going to get an
US-China alliance against Russia out of this.....
#Post#: 29225--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 21, 2025, 6:59 pm
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AI indicates, just as I feared, that the Arctic Alliance is
indeed being strengthened, not weakened, by the RedNote
interactions (see US RedNoters, despite in reality including
plenty of "non-whites", portrayed 100% with "white" avatars in
this China AI-generated song):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjEiPIX9Kg
I hate being correct. (Also note face shapes. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/face-shapes-and-preferences/msg27054/#msg27054<br
/>)
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 30, 2025, 8:35 pm
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AI was apparently not mistaken. Here is a recent official "New
China"-arranged performance:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnUj6zaxnI
What percentage of "non-white" singers among those representing
the US? What is this if not a strengthening Arctic Alliance?
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