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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 8, 2022, 2:12 am
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Our enemies explain in their own words why they want poor
US-China relations:
HTML https://counter-currents.com/2022/08/the-china-question/
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> some reasons why conflict with China is not only inevitable,
but could also improve the situation of white people in the
world.
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This alone is why we must avoid US-China conflict at any cost!
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> Russia, China’s ostensible friend, doesn’t feel comfortable
with their new senior partners. With the loss of the European
energy markets due to sanctions in the wake of the
Russo-Ukrainian War, the Russians can either sell their crude
and gas to China at discount prices or pound sand, as it is
popularly described by people on the Internet, all while ethnic
Russians are being demographically displaced by Chinese in the
Russian Far East.
> ...
> The Russian expansion into Siberia and the steppe, as well as
its subjugation of northern China during the Century of
Humiliation, can be understood as a Western subjugation of
non-whites, but for us to accept that, we need to understand
that Russians are white.
> ...
> the Japanese view Americans and white people in general as
blonde six-footers covered in muscle and driven by an
unstoppable will. For all the bluster leading up to 1945, and
for all their valor, actual and imagined, they are now
completely cowed and docile. And that is what China ought to
become.
> ...
> China must not be allowed to break the fences that have cut it
off from the Pacific Ocean, and under no circumstance must it be
allowed to encroach anywhere near white homelands. Chinese
immigration into and infiltration of Australia, New Zealand, and
Canada in particular is dangerous and must be stopped.
> ...
> The ZOG regime will try inasmuch as possible to depict this
conflict as being one of democracy versus authoritarianism, and
liberty versus despotism. We must, however, deconstruct that
narrative and impose our own. White vs. Yellow.
> ...
> Ideally, the Washington regime breaks China’s back, but is so
weakened that we can simply sweep it aside and take our rightful
position as leaders of our respective countries in the West. The
real world is rarely ideal, so we’ll probably have to do some
vigorous fighting back home first before the West rides out in
force once again — this time to inflict ten thousand years of
humiliation on the Pompously Prideful Han.
--- End Quote ---
In other words, a US-China conflict is bound to weaken the US.
Our enemies want to use this as an opportunity to take power in
the US (following which they will join Russia). Therefore, from
our perspective, the best way to keep our enemies out of power
is to prevent conflict between the US and China from breaking
out in the first place. Good US-China relations mean economic
ease in the US, and economic ease in the US for the next several
generations means a smooth, steady completion of the Great
Replacement in the US. That is what our enemies are frightened
of. That is therefore what we should be focused on making
happen.
#Post#: 15706--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 18, 2022, 3:45 am
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/isolated-putin-left-beijings-mercy-050000702.html
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> Gabuev says the relationship between China, Russia and the US
is more nuanced.
>
> "China understands that it mustn't cross American red lines,"
he says.
>
> "But the real question for them is: if we throw Vladimir Putin
under a bus, does it fundamentally change our relationship with
the US? Or will Washington just pocket that win and keep up its
pressure on Taiwan, Xinjiang, and intellectual property theft?
>
> "In short, dumping Russia will not result in any real
improvement in relations with the US, so why would they do it? I
think Beijing will be careful not to cross any red lines, but
otherwise it is going to be happy exploring opportunities."
--- End Quote ---
This is what we need to work on. US leftists must convince China
that in exchange for turning against Russia the US under Blue
control will become a sincere ally of China. This will motivate
China not just to turn against Russia, but also to support Blue
victory over Red in the US henceforth. China must stop
perceiving the US as monolithically Sinophobic, but must be made
to see two oppositional sides to the US: the racist Red Western
occupation which will never view China as anything other than
the latest iteration of Yellow Peril, and the anti-racist Blue
America which views China as a fellow victim of Western
colonialism.
But in order to get US leftists to do what I just suggested,
they must first abandon the "democracy good, autocracy bad"
mindset that currently animates US rhetoric about Taiwan. Being
American has nothing to do with supporting foreign democracies
against autocracies. Being American is about supporting fellow
victims of Western colonialism (irrespective of their form of
government) against the Western colonial powers.
China is more than ready for friendship with America:
HTML https://boingboing.net/2022/09/16/chinese-kids-posing-as-american-teens-in-front-of-blue-lockers-at-ikea.html
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> IKEA's blue locker rooms are being used not to store bags, but
to pose in front of as a pseudo-American high school. One of the
biggest trends right now on the Chinese version of Instagram,
Little Red Book (Xiaohongshu), is America core. The trend is
called "Meigaofeng," which means "American high school fashion,"
more or less. The trend romanticizes a stereotypical American
private school uniform, with influencers wearing pleated skirts,
ties over white collared shirts, loafers, blazers, and looking
straight out of something like Gossip Girl or Clueless.
>
> The influencers have chosen IKEA's locker rooms because they
mimic what an American high school would look like and famous
scenes from any number of movies and TV shows, including
Clueless, Mean Girls, and The Breakfast Club.
> ...
> Young Chinese citizens' interest in American culture —
especially trying to emulate it — isn't anything new.
Apparently, the trend was already popular in China when Gossip
Girl first debuted.
>
> In late 2021, as pandemic lockdowns in China started to lift,
a trend exploded on social media where influencers would pose
and pretend to be in the U.S. The trend inexplicably had people
posing in front of the Shanghai Costco, with captions that said
they were "pretending to be in Los Angeles." Similar to
Meigaofeng, influencers posed with items that seemed to try to
reflect America: shopping carts, pizza boxes and cans of Coke.
--- End Quote ---
Is the feeling mutual? If not, can we make it mutual?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYoiRBH3PM
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 22, 2022, 10:05 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtKfyxWHxic
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 23, 2022, 11:42 pm
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Our way of thinking is spreading in comments:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-warns-china-against-aiding-182749193.html
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> USA needs to convince China to attack Russia. China has
territorial claims. Russians grabbed a huge amount of Chinese
land in the past. Besides, now is a good time, Russian army is
exhausted. USA should support China in this noble deed
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg15414/#msg15414
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 1, 2022, 8:55 pm
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Mainstream journalists are still stuck in outmoded thinking:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/u-chinese-cooperation-essential-solving-120003571.html
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> Beijing never officially supported Russia’s invasion of
Ukraine. However, the Chinese government was also reluctant to
work with the United States to sanction Russia, mostly due to
worsening U.S.-China relations over the past five years.
>
> Cooperation between the United States and China is a necessary
first step in solving some of the overwhelming problems facing
both countries. For instance, it is unlikely that we can make
any meaningful progress on addressing climate change or the
trade imbalances between the United States and China without the
two countries working together. The challenge is figuring out
how the United States and China can strengthen their policy
cooperation while heatedly criticizing each other.
--- End Quote ---
But more and more commenters are adopting our way of thinking,
namely that US-China friendship cannot be founded on cooperating
while criticizing each other, but only on openly identifying a
common enemy:
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> The biggest issue in the word is that we don't have real
leaders. We are a step away to direct confrontation with Russia
and we go to visit Taiwan? Is US willing to see Russia joining
forces with China to fight against US? We should try to reach
new agreements with China ,mew cooperations until we solve the
issues with Russia. Our leaders are really dumb.
--- End Quote ---
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> China just needs to turn their heads and view all the natural
resources Russia has. Much better pickings than Taiwan, since
China already has all the educated people they need in an
overpopulated, polluted land; and the west will look the other
way as China helps themselves to a nice, fat bite of Russia.
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> China is waiting for Russia to lose another 300,000 troops,
and most of its planes/helicopters/tanks --- then send the PLA
to take back Siberia
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#Post#: 16164--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 24, 2022, 12:11 am
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The root of the rot has been identified (and also looks like
what we would expect):
HTML https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/secret-chinese-philosopher-lessons-for-america/
HTML https://www.revolver.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/2021.10.23-02.26-revolvernews-61741b93cfd02-1024x536.jpg
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> Wang Huning is arguably the single most influential “public
intellectual” alive today.
>
> A member of the CCP’s seven-man Politburo Standing Committee,
he is China’s top ideological theorist, quietly credited as
being the “ideas man” behind each of Xi’s signature political
concepts
> ...
> Wang speaks positively and at length about Allen Bloom’s book
The Closing of the American Mind
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Of course:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom
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> Categories:
> ...
> Jewish American academics
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So what is it that Bloom and Wang both like?
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> Bloom’s main idea is that today’s university education no
longer enables its subjects to grasp the traditional values that
founded Western society.
> ...
> cultural relativism succeeded in destroying the idea of
Western centrism
> ...
> The universities responsible for conducting higher education
do not provide knowledge of the glorious history of Western
philosophy and literature.
> ...
> Students watch “Kramer vs. Kramer” to learn about divorce and
sexuality, but few saw “Anna Karenina” or “The Red and the
Black” as indispensable in their own lives.
> ...
> Wang echoes Bloom’s description of a vast “nihilism” gripping
America’s college-educated young adults, a worldview that could
conceive of no unifying, bedrock truths and consequently has
nothing to build society on top of.
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Of course the last paragraph is untrue. The only unifying
bedrock truths we need to build America are that oppressors are
evil and that it is our duty to destroy evil.
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> Wang finds many praiseworthy things about America. He admires
how energetic and visionary its people can be, he admires the
speed and innovation of its companies (Wang spends several pages
marveling at the wonders of travel agencies)
--- End Quote ---
It would be more accurate to say that Wang admires:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/
Continuing:
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> Wang raves about the productivity of an American farm: A
single farmer can raise thousands of pigs
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Firstly:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/
Secondly:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg14018/?topicseen#msg14018
Continuing:
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> Pig farming can be described as dirty and smelly. This farm is
highly automated, but dirt and odors cannot be excluded. Pigs do
not know about cleanliness, there is no way out. When we visited
the pig shed, the stench was so bad that it was discouraging.
But the farm owner had to do it. He said that after work every
day, it takes several showers to wash the smell away. This is
something that I’m afraid not many people can accept in the
United States.
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The fewer can accept it, the better!
And no, pigs actually know a lot about cleanliness:
HTML https://animaldome.com/why-are-pigs-clean-animals/
In failing to realize that it is the very Western institution he
is praising which makes the imprisoned pigs dirty, Wang reveals
only his own utter lack of empathic sensitivity.
Continuing:
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> This farm owner told me that he was devastated when his son
graduated from college and told him he didn’t want to come back
for a while. But he believed he would come back eventually. If
he doesn’t come back, the farm will be a problem because he has
only one son and there is no one to succeed him.
> …
> The high output of agricultural production ensures the
stability of political and social life. Imagine what will happen
one day when Americans do not have enough food.
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If Americans switched to eating the pig feed instead of the pigs
(and similarly for other ranch animals), America could feed a
human population of billions with ease!
HTML https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gidon-Eshel-2/publication/308889497/figure/fig1/AS:1132464584044565@1647012005228/A-Sankey-flow-diagram-of-the-US-feed-to-food-caloric-flux-from-the-three-feed-classes.jpg
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> Wang’s observations add new context to China’s recent
crackdown on powerful tech companies like Tencent and Alibaba.
While foreigners often frame this crackdown as a general attack
on monopolies or rival power structures, it’s not that simple.
China is attacking companies that dominate the “soft” side of
tech—video games, social media, and online shopping—while
leaving the “hard” side largely untouched.
--- End Quote ---
It is the hard side which should be attacked:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
and the soft side which should be celebrated:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDNpbgAO5FM
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> Aristotle said more than 2,000 years ago that the family is
the cell of society. In the years since the war, the cell, the
family, has disintegrated in the United States.
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Even before reaching this part, I had already guessed that Wang
is an Aristotle-worshipper.
And given that Wang is an Aristotle-worshipper, can you guess
the next part? I did:
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> While the subtext of America’s racial divide permeates much of
America Against America, Wang only explicitly addresses it very
late in the book, when he turns to what he calls the “black
challenge” or, more frightfully, the “black storm.”
>
> “Some people have compared the black issue to the biggest
social problem, saying that it will eventually become a fatal
problem,” writes Wang. “In the United States, it can be deeply
felt that there is some truth in this statement.”
--- End Quote ---
No, it is the beginning of the solution:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/blm/
Of course Wang does not understand this:
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> I have been to black neighborhoods in San Francisco, New York,
New Haven, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and Atlanta, and the
impression is extremely bad. Generally speaking, they are more
dirty and poor than the areas where white people live, and it is
obvious that they are poor areas. In front of many houses, there
are some lazy black people sitting. [When] young people stand in
groups on the street, people’s hearts beat [faster].
--- End Quote ---
Wang Huning a.k.a. Karen Wang.
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> Black criminals specialize in robbing Chinese people of their
money.
--- End Quote ---
"Blacks" were behind literally 0% of the following (not a
complete list):
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_International_Settlement
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulangsu_International_Settlement
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_concession_of_Tianjin
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_concession_of_Tianjin
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhouwan
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_French_Concession
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_concession_of_Hankou
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#French_concession
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiautschou_Bay_concession
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Concession_of_Tientsin
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Macau
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Dalian
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_concession_of_Tianjin
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Lease_of_the_Liaotung_Peninsula
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihaiwei_under_British_rule
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concession_of_Tianjin
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Concession_of_Jiujiang
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Concession_(Shanghai)
If anyone deserves to be described as specializing in robbing
Chinese people, it should be "whites" (including Jews). But Wang
is an Aristotle-worshipping Karen, so what can we expect from
him?
What do our enemies think of Wang?
--- Quote ---
> The rise of Wang Huning’s China, then, is not a calamity for
the United States. It is an opportunity for a deep, harsh, even
brutal self-reflection.
--- End Quote ---
No. Wang does not want friendship between China and America. He
wants friendship between Aristotelian "New China" and the
Manifest Destiny occupation in the US. If we want friendship
between China and America as fellow former victims of Western
colonialism, China must get rid of Wang and America must get rid
of Bloom.
#Post#: 16166--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest19
Date: October 24, 2022, 12:19 pm
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Why is Aristotle bad?
#Post#: 16172--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: Guess88
Date: October 24, 2022, 8:59 pm
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--- Quote from: zizou9410 link ---
>
> Why is Aristotle bad?
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 24, 2022, 11:20 pm
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg12712/#msg12712
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-liberals/msg14918/#msg14918
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-liberals/msg15024/#msg15024
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-ancient-rolemodels-of-our-enemies/msg12770/#msg12770
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg5055/#msg5055
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/marathon-the-battle-that-gave-birth-to-western-civilization/msg10065/#msg10065
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg3960/#msg3960
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/msg15657/#msg15657
#Post#: 16420--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest78
Date: November 14, 2022, 12:50 pm
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Sounded fairly positive:
Hear what Biden and Xi said to each other in first meeting as
heads of state
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> President Joe Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping sat down
face-to-face for the first time since Biden took office in a
meeting that could have long-lasting consequences for the
world's most important bilateral relationship.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRIg7dVkpQ
Comments:
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> Great for the US and Chinese Presidents to be meeting to
reduce tensions and build bridges for greater cooperation and
good relations and better understanding.
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> Whoa! This really is another east meets west
moment.🦅🐉🇺🇸🇨🇳 I
hope things get better for everone and the worlds
sake🌏🗺🙏.
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> Even China said as leaders of the 2 major countries (basically
not even considering russia as one of the majour contries) XD
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> I'm impressed with both leaders positive attitudes!
cooperation....not War
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> I would love to embrace our Chinese brothers and sisters. Let
us be great fun for Biden's diplomatic leadership and the
Chinese Administration opening up with peaceful conversation.
💙🇺🇸🇨🇳
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> US and China should work together not fight each other.
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> Good honest start, I hope the relation ship proceeds on this
path.
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