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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: March 24, 2022, 3:49 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
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> [quote]Now Is Not The Time For Bashing China
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While I agree with this basic statement, I disagree with the
idea that Russian de-escalation should be the objective behind
improving relations with China, as this signals to Russia that
we are uniting only out of common fear of Russia, which will
only further embolden Russia. On the contrary, now is the best
timing to simultaneously open as many additional fronts of war
against Russia as possible in short order, of which China could
potentially be one:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg1207/#msg1207
just as Japan could be another:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg11692/#msg11692
Germany could be another:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/what-was-prussia/msg11864/#msg11864
and so on. This sends Russia the signal that we are not uniting
out of common fear of Russia, but uniting to take back once and
for all everything it has stolen from us over the centuries!
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/
The US should be sincerely happy to see China take back Outer
Manchuria, and must publicly and explicitly communicate such to
China. Anything less and China can be expected to remain
suspicious that the US merely wants to use China to help
Ukraine, and that the US at the end of the day cares only about
Ukraine, not about China (which at present is probably close to
the truth).
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Yes. False Leftists ultimately want to bring Russia into the
Chimerica alliance after "resolving" the Ukraine issue. See
here:
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 26, 2022, 9:40 pm
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Pottinger: China’s Strategy To ‘Quietly’ Support Russia Is ‘Not
Working’
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> Former U.S. Deputy National Security Adviser Matt Pottinger
discusses China's approach to handling Russia's actions in
Ukraine on MTP Daily.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_8RMRPvEI
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: March 30, 2022, 1:51 am
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Former president Carter reflects on U.S. China relations:
HTML https://youtu.be/JXdZJgQR3A8
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 2, 2022, 1:06 pm
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Has China Finally Abandoned Russia? - TLDR News
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> Only a couple months ago China and Russia looked like best
friends, signing agreements and making public statements
together. Today though things seem to be shifting, so we discuss
the moves Xi has mad and if he is ditching Putin.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw-VfaH3abE
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 2, 2022, 9:01 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-holden-us-china-cornfield-100043158.html
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> Bob Holden: US, China 'cornfield diplomacy' could stop future
pandemic, save planet
> ...
> As the world grapples with the first major conflict in Europe
since World War II, the need to foster better relations between
the U.S. and China is arguably greater than ever.
> ...
> My belief is that the U.S.–China cooperation is essential if
our planet will be able to successfully deal with the following
three most critical global challenges:
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> Sustainably producing enough nutritious food to feed the
growing population on our planet
>
> Countering and ameliorating the impact of climate change,
especially on agricultural production
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> Preventing future pandemics of human, animal and plant
diseases
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> At the same time, to meet these challenges, it is essential
that we have peace in the world and particularly, peace between
China and the United States.
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> In that regard, we strongly believe that one of the best ways
that peace can be attained is through agricultural cooperation.
>
> Reflecting the strong commitment that leaders of both our
countries have for finding areas of cooperation, especially
around climate change, my organization, U.S. Heartland China
Association, again organized a virtual U.S.-China Agriculture
Roundtable, held March 21.
>
> The American Heartland, known as the “breadbasket of the
world,” has played a significant role in the past laying the
foundation for a productive U.S.–China relationship and can
become a stabilizing force going forward again.
>
> Opportunities remain for us to try to revive a productive
relationship. Our efforts should be focused on finding ways to
better understand each other’s cultures, show others why it is
so important for all of us to find positive and mutually
beneficial ways to work together in the mutual interest of both
countries.
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This is certainly a good way to start, considering the
increasing co-dependency of the US and China on each other's
food:
HTML https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/BG-China-Ag-Trade-Graphics-page5.gif
HTML https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/BG-China-Ag-Trade-Graphics-page2.gif
One of my favourite presentations highlighting agricultural
similarities between the US and China is the following:
HTML https://www.financialsense.com/contributors/evelyn-browning-garris/comparison-us-china-agriculture
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> One of the interesting documents from the 1950s and 60s is an
old CIA map that showed the climate of China in those days,
comparing it to equivalent agricultural areas in the US. At the
time it was created, China was a mystery, closed off from much
of the world with little document sharing. Experts used these to
try to estimate day- to-day existence in China, such as annual
crop and harvest conditions.
>
>
HTML https://static.financialsense.com/historical/users/u365/images/2012/china-us-agriculture-map.jpg
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> Basically, the US and China are two nations of a similar size
(China 3.69 million square miles vs. US 3.68 million square
miles) positioned along similar latitudes. Their lands include
similar agricultural zones. Indeed, some growing regions are
“twins” with similar weather and growing conditions. For
example, North Texas and Yunnan province are “twins”, with ample
rain and good monsoons during El Niños and drought stricken
during La Niñas.
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Maybe we should also make a complementary map with Chinese
province names superimposed onto US states?
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: April 6, 2022, 9:49 pm
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China knows NATO is a better partner than Russia, but is the US
willing to use this opportunity to form stronger US-China ties?
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> China's state-run Sinopec Group has suspended talks for a
major petrochemical investment and a gas marketing venture in
Russia, sources told Reuters, heeding a government call for
caution as sanctions mount over the invasion of Ukraine.
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> The move by Asia's biggest oil refiner to hit the brakes on a
potentially half-billion-dollar investment in a gas chemical
plant and a venture to market Russian gas in China highlights
the risks, even to Russia's most important diplomatic partner,
of unexpectedly heavy Western-led sanctions.
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> Beijing has repeatedly voiced opposition to the sanctions,
insisting it will maintain normal economic and trade exchanges
with Russia, and has refused to condemn Moscow's actions in
Ukraine or call them an invasion.
>
> But behind the scenes, the government is wary of Chinese
companies running afoul of sanctions - it is pressing companies
to tread carefully with investments in Russia, its
second-largest oil supplier and third-largest gas provider.
> [...]
> U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday that China knows its
economic future is tied to the West, after warning Chinese
leader Xi Jinping that Beijing could regret siding with Russia's
invasion of Ukraine.
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HTML https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-chinas-sinopec-pauses-russia-projects-beijing-wary-sanctions-sources-2022-03-25/
Even anti-communist rightist Richard Nixon knew how to use an
opportunity to forge closer ties with China:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/President_Richard_Nixon_and_Mao_Zedong.jpg/616px-President_Richard_Nixon_and_Mao_Zedong.jpg
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_visit_by_Richard_Nixon_to_China
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: April 6, 2022, 10:08 pm
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I don't think Nixon's "diplomacy" with China should be
commended. He only viewed the Chinese as useful pawns to
strengthen the West, and was not really interested in a sincere
alliance against the Soviet Union. After all, that commie
bastard Mao used to be friends with Joseph Stalin.
I think Carter is much more worthy of commending, as it was his
advisor Brzezinski that helped forge a genuine alliance with
China under Deng Xiaoping to eventually take down the Soviet
Union.
But even Brzezinski (being a liberal democrat) is ultimately
only interested in "Chimerica" in the hopes that China will
westernize, and is also insufficiently anti-Duginist as he wants
Russia to eventually join the China-U.S. alliance.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: April 10, 2022, 8:11 pm
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Westerner praises China for its machinism and progressivism,
denigrates America for its (alleged) lack thereof:
HTML https://youtu.be/ed4ryYokLzU
The Westerner is also married to a Chinese Eurocentrist.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: April 11, 2022, 12:37 am
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Not only is his wife a Eurocentrist, but in one video she makes
it clear that Eurocentric Chinese people actually agree with us
on what the most archetypally western, materialist and machinist
group is: Jews. She talked about how a lot of Chinese people
have a strange fascination with Jews and their values, success,
and "work ethic", and in certain bookstores they'll have books
on how to emulate Jewish success. Of course, her husband being
the typical Zionist Correct white westerner that he is, begins
to get visibly nervous as his wife obliviously explains the
level of power and success that Jews have. Worth a watch for
that alone:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxgXB6AsVY
Unfortunately, I think the consolidation of Confucianist values
and western influence has led China to dig itself into a
materialism and machinism-obsessed, business-minded hole that I
don't think it'll be able to crawl back out of, unless China
gets another autocratic, anti-traditional leader that manages to
do a better job at uprooting the thousands of years of embedded
Confucianist culture than Mao (who tried and ultimately failed
miserably for a multitude of reasons). Then again, I've never
been to China so maybe there's a latent potential there that
just doesn't manage to make its presence known from what we hear
abroad
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: April 11, 2022, 12:42 am
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Yes, I have scene that video. Contrary to what optimistic people
might think, the Eurocentric Chinese are not becoming
"Jew-aware", but are becoming spiritually Jewish.
", but in one video she makes it clear that Eurocentric Chinese
people actually agree with us on what the most archetypally
western, materialist and machinist group is: Jews. "
It would be ok if they merely agreed with us. Indeed they could
even be praised for being Jew-aware! The problem is they do not
view those traits as negative (as should any non-Westerner), but
as positive!
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