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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 11, 2022, 10:37 pm
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If we were willing to be even more imaginative, we could even
imagine China and America cooperate to create a NEW COUNTRY out
of a de-Westernized Siberia as designated lebensraum for climate
refugees. Such an ambitious project would be historically
monumental, and its success would show the entire world what can
be accomplished when China and America work together, and more
importantly not primarily for the self-interest of either
country, but to serve those in need. Russia will never
voluntarily donate Siberia (which it originally stole) for
climate refugees, but China and America together (plus anyone
else wishing to help) could take it back from Russia by force
and give it to those who deserve it more than Russians. To be
able to act beyond self-interest is what superpowers are meant
to be for.
(Leftism is so weak because too few leftists use their
imagination like this. I am perfectly aware that plenty of
imagined things do not end up happening, but whichever side
imagines more fantastically to start off with usually ends up
getting more done for their side (even if it falls short of what
they originally imagined). Rightism is stronger than leftism
today because rightists on the whole use their imagination much
more unreservedly than False Leftists do.)
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 13, 2022, 1:34 am
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russias-ukraine-invasion-bad-news-160000610.html
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> Russia's Ukraine Invasion Is Bad News For China’s Belt And
Road Ambitions
> ...
> Xi likely feels embarrassed and used by Putin, and Chinese
officials similarly can’t help worrying that, given the West’s
restored unity of purpose, China’s global economic interests and
geopolitical aspirations stand to suffer. It’s no surprise,
then, that Beijing has been a vocal proponent for an end to the
war. This conflict is very bad for Beijing’s business, tossing a
monkey wrench into Xi’s Belt and Road vision.
>
> The economic disparity in China’s relationship with Russia is
another factor behind Beijing’s tepid response to Russia in the
Kremlin’s time of extreme financial need. When it comes to
commerce, Russia is an afterthought for China, accounting for
merely 2 percent of Beijing’s overall trade turnover. To the
extent that Beijing increases its trade volume with Russia amid
the stifling Western sanctions, it will do so while imposing
humbling terms on its supposed friend, purchasing energy, for
example, at bargain-basement prices.
>
> China’s strategic partnership with Russia was useful to
Beijing only to the extent that it could widen the gap between
the U.S. and EU, thus creating space for continuing Chinese
economic expansion. This underlying pillar of the partnership
has now come crashing down: Putin’s Ukraine adventure has forged
the very geopolitical environment, namely Western strategic
unity, that China desperately wanted to avoid. Virtually
overnight, Russia has gone from asset to major liability for
China.
--- End Quote ---
China is wrong to want the war to end quickly, however. Even if
it does end soon, things will not go back to the way they were
before the war. Belt and Road as it is currently planned will
still suffer. China's best best now, in reality, is for the war
to expand to the extent that retaliatory invasions into Russia
occur. Not only would this mean China can continue to trade with
Russia at greater profit margins for longer, but there could be
prospect of Russian territorial losses by the end that could
offer new potential for Belt and Road. For example, if Russia
loses enough of its eastern coast, China could build a railway
to America via the Bering Strait (as well as to Japan via
Karafuto) without Russian control!
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 13, 2022, 4:31 pm
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China's Premier Li Calls Ukrainian Situation 'Worrying'
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> China's Premier Li Keqiang on Friday called the situation in
Ukraine "worrying" while continuing to refuse to criticize
Russia for its invasion.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_WmZ72Sidc
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT – U.S. ‘will not allow’ lifeline to
Russia, says White House
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> WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT – National security adviser Jake
Sullivan warned China that there would be consequences if it
helped Russia, saying the U.S. would not allow Moscow to evade
economic sanctions over the war in Ukraine.
>
> #JakeSullivan #China #News #Reuters #UkraineRussiaWar
#UkraineCrisis #Russia #Ukraine
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojLZ_f3baeM
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 13, 2022, 7:58 pm
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US officials say Russia has asked China for military help in
Ukraine
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> White House fears move is sign of ever closer ties between
Beijing and Moscow
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> Please use the sharing tools found via the share button at the
top or side of articles.
>
> Liu Pengyu, the Chinese embassy spokesperson in Washington,
said he was unaware of any suggestions that China might be
willing to help Russia.
>
> “China is deeply concerned and grieved on the Ukraine
situation,” Liu said. “We sincerely hope that the situation will
ease and peace will return at an early date.”
>
> The revelation comes as Jake Sullivan, US national security
adviser, heads to Rome for talks on Monday with Yang Jiechi,
China’s top foreign policy official.
>
> Before leaving Washington on Sunday, Sullivan warned China not
to try to “bail out” Russia by helping Moscow to circumvent the
sanctions that the US and its allies have imposed on President
Vladimir Putin and his regime.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 13, 2022, 9:18 pm
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I think a lot of False Left media want to portray China-Russia
relations as better than they are actually are because they
don't want China-US relations to improve!
We should amplify more the opposite narrative:
HTML https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011154/the-price-china-wont-pay-for-russias-war
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> If there's some good news coming out of Russian President
Vladimir Putin's misbegotten war on Ukraine, it might be this:
China's alliance with Russia appears to be mostly lip service.
> ...
> Reuters reported Thursday China is refusing to supply needed
airplane parts to the Russian aviation industry, which has
already been badly squeezed by American-led sanctions. That's a
big deal: Boeing and Airbus jets make up most of the country's
commercial aviation fleet — without access to those Western
companies, Russia had hoped to turn to China as an alternative.
> ...
> China has also eased its controls on government exchange
rates, letting the fast-collapsing value of the ruble fall
against the yuan even more quickly. The ruble's decline was
already making it much more expensive for Russians to buy
Chinese goods — companies like Huawei and Xiaomi have cut their
smartphone exports to Russia as a result — and now that process
will only accelerate. For China, though, the decision makes
sense: Sticking with the old rules "would require China's
central bank to subsidize Russian buyers of Chinese goods by
giving them more yuan for their rubles than market forces said
Moscow's currency was worth," The Associated Press notes.
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If stories like this were given more attention in the news, more
Americans might develop positive feelings for China.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 14, 2022, 4:43 am
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HTML https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/14/chinese-scholars-are-warning-of-the-cost-of-pro-russia-neutrality/
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> Is neutrality a good strategy?
>
> Hu Wei, vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center,
which sits under an advisory agency to China’s state council,
argues in an essay penned earlier this month that China must
“give up being neutral” and “avoid playing both sides in the
same boat.”
> ...
> “China cannot be tied to Putin and needs to be cut off as soon
as possible…Being in the same boat with Putin will impact China
should he lose power,” Hu writes, adding that Beijing’s failure
to “proactively” respond to Russia’s aggression will invite
“further containment from the US and the West.”
>
> In fact, China’s current “neutrality” is a lose-lose
proposition, Hu argues: “…this position does not meet Russia’s
needs, and it has infuriated Ukraine and its supporters as well
as sympathizers, putting China on the wrong side of much of the
world. In some cases, apparent neutrality is a sensible choice,
but it does not apply to this war, where China has nothing to
gain.”
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I would say apparent neutrality is never a sensible choice. The
reason is extremely simple. When you claim to be neutral, no one
will believe you. Each side will suspect you are actually
helping the other side, thus every side will become more hostile
to you.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 15, 2022, 12:07 pm
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Ukraine War: China and Russia feel "humiliated by the West"
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> Former Labour Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says China and
Russia both separately feel humiliated by the West for past and
current treatment.
>
> But he said China knows that open conflict disrupts the smooth
flow of global trade, and would seek to avoid such action.
>
> Mr Straw also outlined the "moral hazard" of dealing with
countries like Saudi Arabia, which countries like the UK
sometimes have to do "with a peg on their nose".
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJn61Dos6Cw
China Seeks to Avoid Hit From U.S.-Led Russia Sanctions
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> China is seeking to avoid taking a hit from U.S.-led sanctions
against Russia, a top diplomat said, in an effort to prevent the
world's second-biggest economy getting caught up in the fallout
of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. "China is not a party to the
crisis, nor does it want the sanctions to affect China," Foreign
Minister Wang Yi said in a phone call with Spanish counterpart
Jose Manuel Albares to discuss the war in Ukraine. Rosalind
Mathieson reports on Bloomberg Television.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ7xV7-NMzI
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 18, 2022, 3:01 pm
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I can't believe I didn't spot this sooner, but here we go with
the smoking gun that Russia, despite its claims, in reality has
no sincere feelings of solidarity towards China:
HTML https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/
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> Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is “Essential” to
Feature Tucker Carlson
>
> The Russian government has pressed outlets to highlight the
Fox host’s Putin-helping broadcasts.
> ...
> On March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities
as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor,
the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media
outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.
> ...
> The document—titled “For Media and Commentators
(recommendations for coverage of events as of 03.03)”—was
produced, according to its metadata, at a Russian government
agency called the Department of Information and
Telecommunications Support, which is part of the Russian
security apparatus.
--- End Quote ---
But precisely what has Carlson been saying?
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> Prior to the Russian invasion, Carlson was perhaps the most
prominent American voice challenging opposition to Putin. In one
now-infamous commentary, he said, “Why do Democrats want you to
hate Putin? Has Putin shipped every middle class job in your
town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that
wrecked your business? Is he teaching your kids to embrace
racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Does he eat dogs?”
--- End Quote ---
Which country are the parts in bold implicit references to?
In short, the Russian government is explicitly instructing
Russian media to promote a propagandist who encourages animosity
towards China instead of Russia:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg12027/#msg12027
And it is doing this while, simultaneously, it is trying to
claim that Russia has China's best interests at heart:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg12050/#msg12050
To put it another way, while the Chinese government has
Eurocentrically faithfully spent the last few weeks doing verbal
contortionism in order to avoid saying to its people anything
negative about Russia, the Russian government has been loudly
broadcasting to its people raw Sinophobia.
So, returning to this question:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg11650/#msg11650
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> Did China Get Played by Putin on Ukraine? - TLDR News
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the answer is definitely affirmative.
In contrast, Carlson's message has not been promoted by the US
government. (It might have been if Trump were still president,
but he is not.) Carlson, while loved by the Red camp, is hated
by the entire Blue camp. And with each passing day, the Blue
camp is growing while the Red camp is shrinking:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/
If despite all of the above China still is incapable of figuring
out that America is its true destined ally, it deserves to be
backstabbed by Xi's best friend.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 19, 2022, 7:36 pm
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Xi took Putin at his word that this was going to be a quick
invasion, says fmr. CIA director
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> Former CIA Director John Brennan joins Shep Smith to discuss
the potential that China will provide military aid to Putin in
his invasion of Ukraine.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9-JSIsqvkU
--- Quote ---
> Ancient reasons for committing suicide
>
> Today the reasons for suicide are many, and the ways to
achieve it are broad. In earlier eras, some found it to be the
only way to redeem them from failure. Elise Garrison said that
many ancient suicidal victims, “[were] determined to regain lost
honor and restore equilibrium to society”.[3]
>
> Garrison also refers to the works of Émile Durkheim. She says
that Durkheim talks about people being in different types and
categories. Determining what category they are in, could decide
the reason they would commit suicide. “Durkheim’s categories
[are] —egoistic, altruistic, anomic, fatalistic”.[3]
>
> Durkheim explains that egoistic people over think and reflect
on everything. They tend to have high knowledge, and don’t
integrate into society well. Protestants, for example, may
default to an egoistic personality. The altruistic person
devalues themselves and treats the opinion of the group very
highly. Those who lead a very strict life-style or are a
religion that is very strict on obedience (such as Catholicism
and Judaism). Self-sacrifice is considered part of altruistic
suicide. Anomic suicide can result from someone who does not
control or limit their desires. They satisfy every desire, and
have no regulation. On the other hand, Fatalistic suicide will
usually occur in someone who has high regulation and does not
satisfy many of their desires.[3] While these categories apply
to suicide today, it is these types of personalities that made
people more susceptible to suicide anciently.[citation needed]
>
> In ancient India, two forms of altruistic suicide were
practiced. One was Jauhar, a mass suicide by women of a
community when their menfolk suffered defeat in battle, the
women fearing retribution, rape, enslavement, and worse by the
enemy soldiers; the other was Sati, the self-immolation of a
widow on the funeral pyre of her husband, or her suicide shortly
afterwards, the pretexts varying, whether for emotional, or for
religious, or for anticipated economic destitution, especially
if elderly, or even compulsion, sometimes a family's avaricious
means to more expeditiously redistribute the widow's
property.[4]
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_antiquity
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: rp
Date: March 20, 2022, 1:47 am
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A step in the right direction:
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China Indicates to Biden it Won’t Send Weapons to Russia
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HTML https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-03-18/china-indicates-to-biden-it-wont-send-weapons-to-russia-as-bloody-war-in-ukraine-grinds-on
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