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#Post#: 11461--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 24, 2022, 10:22 pm
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China blames U.S. for Ukraine invasion
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> CNBC's Eunice Yoon joins Shep Smith to report that China
refuses to condemn Russia's invasion, and has instead blamed the
U.S. for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrlnGud8zoQ
#Post#: 11463--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 24, 2022, 11:05 pm
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If China does not change course soon, we cannot help them even
if we want to. By failing to condemn Russia's invasion, China is
in effect agreeing in narrative with US rightists, the same ones
who will never side with China even if China agrees with them
about everything! China's only hope of ever having good
relations with the US is to appeal to US leftists, in other
words the ones who hate Russia but who could potentially be
friendly with China so long as China agrees with them on various
key issues, of which Russia is one. But by agreeing with the US
rightist narrative on Russia, China is alienating the US
leftists also!
It is as if China has a key to one of two doors into the US, but
instead of using that key to unlock the correct door and thus
gain entry smoothly, it is trying to use that same key to pick
the lock of the wrong door. Not only will this lockpicking
attempt surely fail, but the key will end up deformed and
thereafter no longer usable even on the lock of the correct
door!
#Post#: 11530--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 26, 2022, 11:34 pm
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Economic reasons for good relations between China and the U.S.
Charlie Munger: Everyone Is WRONG About China — Here's Why...
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> Charlie Munger explains why he likes Chinese stocks so much
and invests in Alibaba, doubling down on his position last
quarter. He also elaborates on why Warren Buffett doesn’t buy
BABA stock.
>
> Being a vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and the closest
partner (right hand man) of Warren Buffett, Charles T. Munger
has a net worth of around $2 billion. He is a profoundly wise
man who is absolutely worth listening to, especially when it
comes to investing, the psychology of wealthy people,
rationality, and life experience.
>
> Share this video with a friend if you found it useful!
Consider subscribing to the channel for inspiring videos about
investing, business, stock market, managing money, building
wealth, passive income, and other finance-related content!
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGweVHtzZXM&t=12s
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 27, 2022, 6:27 pm
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China shared U.S. intelligence on Ukraine crisis with Russia
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> Effort failed to gain Beijing's backing for pressure on Putin
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> China’s government took U.S. intelligence provided to convince
Beijing to join American-led efforts to head off a military
attack on Ukraine and shared it with Russia, according to a
person familiar with the activity.
>
> Intelligence-sharing with a major U.S. adversary is unusual
but was part of repeated diplomatic efforts by the Biden
administration to gain support from China in dissuading Russian
President Vladimir Putin from invading Ukraine.
>
> However, the Chinese government repeatedly rebuffed the
efforts and instead turned over the intelligence data to Moscow,
an indication of the growing ties between Beijing and Moscow.
--- End Quote ---
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> The information-sharing began in a diplomatic exchange in
December 2021 warning China that Russia was preparing an attack
on Ukraine.
>
> “Our information indicates that China then relayed that
information to Russia, noting that the U.S. was attempting to
sow division between China and Russia and that China would not
try to dissuade Russia from invading,” said the person.
>
> The exchanges continued up until Wednesday, when Russian
military forces launched strikes throughout Ukraine.
>
> The intelligence-sharing, first reported by The New York
Times, involved details of large-scale Russian troop movements
near Ukraine’s border that would later be used in the military
operation to take over Ukraine that began this week
>
> Beijing officials, reflecting the growing anti-U.S. posture of
the Chinese Communist Party, several times dismissed the U.S.
intelligence and appeals to pressure Moscow against invading.
>
> The betrayal by Beijing of the U.S. diplomatic outreach was
reflected in President Biden’s terse response to a reporter’s
question on Thursday when asked if the United States is urging
China to help isolate Russia.
>
> “I’m not prepared to comment on that at the moment,” Mr. Biden
said.
>
> A State Department spokesman decline to comment on the failed
diplomatic outreach.
>
> Chinese Embassy spokesman Liu Pengyu said China bases its
views of the Ukraine conflict “on its merits” and was in touch
with both Washington and Moscow trying to avert a war.
>
> “For some time, China communicated with relative parties,
including Russia and the U.S., and has actively promoted the
political settlement process of the Ukraine issue,” Mr. Liu
said.
>
> Mr. Liu noted recent calls between Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin, as
well as Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s talks with Russian
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Secretary of State Antony
Blinken, British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, European foreign
policy chief Josep Borrell, and Emmanuel Bonne, a security
advisor to French President Emmanuel Macron.
>
> “All these phone calls focused] on exchanging views on the
situation in Ukraine,” he said.
>
> A White House National Security Council spokesperson said the
administration has been clear in exchanges with China that it
seeks to work together on issues of mutual concerns.
>
> “Over the last several months we have briefed a range of
nations on our strong concerns around Russia’s military buildup
around Ukraine, and the impact that an invasion could have on
regional and global security. That includes the PRC,” she said.
>
> The spokesperson declined to provide details of the diplomatic
exchanges.
>
> “As President Biden has said, now is the time for the leaders
of the world to speak out clearly against President Putin’s
flagrant aggression, and to stand with the people of Ukraine,”
she stated.
>
> The world is watching to see which nations will support basic
principles of freedom, self-determination and sovereignty or are
tacitly supporting Moscow’s war, the spokeswoman said.
>
> “Nations that side with Vladimir Putin will inevitably find
themselves on the wrong side of history,” she said.
>
> Additionally, the economic sanctions imposed on Russia and
backed by U.S. allies are designed to limit the negative effects
on those nations.
>
> “Nations that try to evade or work around these measures will
experience the consequences of those actions,” the spokesperson
said, in a veiled reference to China.
>
> Retired Navy Capt. James Fanell, former director of
intelligence for the Pacific Fleet, said among China Hands in
Washington there is a misguided belief that sharing intelligence
with Beijing will prompt reciprocal actions that benefit U.S.
national security.
>
> “This foolish supposition has led to the sharing of sensitive
information to the Chinese Communist Party officials while
simultaneously refusing to share much lower levels of
operationally relevant information with our allies,” Capt.
Fanell said. “This mythical belief by these so-called experts
has not only proved to be untrue, but has also severely
compromised American intelligence sources and methods.”
>
> Chinese President Xi Jinping spoke by phone with Mr. Putin on
Friday and urged him to negotiate with Ukraine, Chinese state
media reported.
>
> “China supports Russia and Ukraine to resolve issues through
negotiations,” Mr. Xi reportedly told the Russian leader, a
broadcast on China Central Television said.
>
> Mr. Putin informed Mr. Xi that “Russia is willing to conduct
high-level talks with Ukraine,” CCTV said.
>
> The exchange followed comments by Foreign Ministry
spokesperson Hua Chunying on Thursday accusing the United States
of stoking the conflict in Ukraine by supplying arms to the
Ukrainian military.
>
> The United States has supplied an estimated $360 million in
arms to bolster Ukraine’s defenses in recent months, including
Javelin anti-tank missiles, small arms and other weapons.
>
> China has made clear it is unofficially siding with Russia in
the conflict by not condemning the military aggressions, despite
a declared policy of respecting foreign nations’ sovereignty and
not interfering in their internal affairs.
>
> Ms. Hua also accused the United States of inciting the
conflict by claiming the Russian invasion would take place Feb.
16, what she called a deliberate “false alarm” to incite a
conflict.
>
> “Those who follow the U.S.’s lead in fanning up flames and
then shifting the blame onto others are truly irresponsible,”
Ms. Hua said. “As the culprit, the person who started the fire
should think about how to put out the fire as soon as possible.”
>
> China has refused to characterize the Russian military
operation as an invasion.
>
> Earlier this month, China and Russia issued a joint statement
signed by Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin pledging closer cooperation.
>
> “China is willing to work with all parties in the
international community to advocate a common, comprehensive,
cooperative and sustainable security concept, and firmly
safeguard the international system with the United Nations at
its core,” Mr. Xi said during the call with Mr. Putin.
>
> Mr. Xi also thanked the Russian leader for traveling to
Beijing to attend the Winter Olympics that concluded days before
the Ukraine invasion.
>
> The western economic sanctions on Russia are expected to drive
Mr. Putin closer into the Chinese orbit.
>
> China announced Friday that it is loosening controls on
imports of wheat from Russia, a move that could alleviate some
sanctions pressure on Mr. Putin.
>
> The administration’s diplomatic effort to win Chinese support
began after Mr. Biden and Mr. Xi held a virtual summit Nov. 15.
>
> Following the meeting, U.S. officials said the most pressing
problem for the United States and China could address is the
Russian buildup near Ukraine, The New York Times reported.
>
> That prompted White House officials to hold a one and half
hour meeting with China’s ambassador to the United States, Qin
Gang. The officials provided him with U.S. intelligence
suggesting Russian armored units appeared to be surrounding
Ukraine in preparation for an attack.
>
> China was also told that sanctions on Russia for an invasion
would impact China because of its commercial ties with Russia.
>
> In all, four meetings with the Chinese at the embassy in
Washington and on the phone. One meeting included Deputy
Secretary of State Wendy Sherman.
>
> In the session, the Chinese ambassador voiced skepticism and
noted Russia’s “legitimate security concerns” regarding Ukraine.
>
> Late last week, Mr. Blinken called China‘s Mr. and urged him
to help preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity
— among the Chinese Communist Party’s declared five principles
of foreign policy.
>
> The most recent diplomatic appeal was made to Mr. Qin in
Washington on Wednesday and were told the same Chinese talking
points shortly before the war in Ukraine began.
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HTML https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/25/china-shared-us-intelligence-ukraine-crisis-russia/
Russia vetoes U.N. Security action on Ukraine as China abstains
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> UNITED NATIONS, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Russia vetoed a draft U.N.
Security Council resolution on Friday that would have deplored
Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, while China abstained from the
vote - a move Western countries view as a win for showing
Russia's international isolation.
>
> The United Arab Emirates and India also abstained from the
vote on the U.S.-drafted text. The remaining 11 council members
voted in favor. The draft resolution is now expected to be taken
up by the 193-member U.N. General Assembly.
>
> "We are united behind Ukraine and its people, despite a
reckless, irresponsible permanent member of the Security Council
abusing its power to attack its neighbor and subvert the U.N.
and our international system," U.S. Ambassador Linda
Thomas-Greenfield said after Russia cast its veto.
>
> Russia is a Security Council veto power, along with the United
States, China, France and Britain.
>
> China's abstention comes just weeks after Beijing and Moscow
declared a "no limits" partnership, backing each other over
standoffs on Ukraine and Taiwan with a promise to collaborate
more against the West.
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HTML https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-vetoes-un-security-action-ukraine-china-abstains-2022-02-25/
#Post#: 11575--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 28, 2022, 10:23 pm
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This is the message China needs to hear:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-us-relations-beijing-warned-093000053.html
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> The crisis in Ukraine cast a shadow over Chinese efforts to
mark the 50th anniversary of an important milestone in its
relationship with the United States as a former American
official warned that ties would worsen if Beijing maintains its
current position.
>
> "Fifty years ago, the USSR was a common threat that brought us
together. Today, Russian aggression threatens to drive us
further apart," former US treasury secretary Jacob Lew said in
an online speech to an event to mark the signing of the Shanghai
Communique, which paved the way for the establishment of formal
relations.
> ...
> "China must decide where to stand and understand that the
bilateral relationship with the US will only become more
strained in the absence of a clear choice to stand with
intervention."
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Actually, it was more recent than 50 years ago. As we covered
here, China and America were on the same side in the Afghan War,
with the USSR on the other side:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761
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>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Soviet_invasion_and_civil_war
>
> [quote]During the period of Soviet occupation of Afghanistan,
the U.S. provided about 3 billion US dollars in military and
economic assistance to the Mujahideen groups stationed on the
Pakistani side of the Durand Line. The U.S. Embassy in Kabul was
closed in January 1989 for security reasons.
>
> The United States welcomed the new Islamic administration that
came to power in April 1992 after the fall of the former
Soviet-backed government.[8]
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...
This was also a time when America and China were fighting on the
same side, which is what we are trying to get back to:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#China
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> China responded to the Soviet war in Afghanistan by supporting
the mujahideen and ramping up their military presence near
Afghanistan in Xinjiang. China acquired military equipment from
America to defend itself from Soviet attack.[282] At the same
time relations with the United States had cooled considerably
that by 1980 Washington had begun to supply China with a variety
of weapons. They even reached an agreement of two joint tracking
and listening stations in Xinjiang.[283]
>
> The Chinese People's Liberation Army provided training, arms
organisation and financial support. Anti-aircraft missiles,
rocket launchers and machine guns, valued at hundreds of
millions, were given to the mujahideen by the Chinese.
Throughout the war Chinese military advisers and army troops
trained upwards of several thousand Mujahidin inside Xinjiang
and along the Pakistani border.[283]
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This is how we will build the anti-Duginist front![/quote]
This episode should be more frequently emphasized today and used
as a model for how to rebuild a positive US-China relationship.
#Post#: 11613--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 1, 2022, 10:21 pm
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Another good message:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-calls-china-condemn-181520875.html
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> China has implemented some sanctions imposed by the United
States and its allies against Russia over the invasion and spoke
in favor of Ukrainian sovereignty last week, White House press
secretary Jen Psaki said in an interview with MSNBC.
>
> However, she made clear Beijing should do more.
>
> "This is not a time to stand on the sidelines. This is a time
to be vocal and condemn the actions of President Putin and
Russia invading a sovereign country," White House press
secretary Jen Psaki said in an interview with MSNBC.
>
> She said U.S. President Joe Biden has not spoken with Chinese
leader Xi Jinping recently and did not rule out a call in the
future.
>
> "But there's also important steps for the Chinese leadership
to look at themselves and really assess where they want to stand
as the history books are written," Psaki said.
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I like this pitching, as it implies the US wants China to be on
the side of the good guys when history is written. Whereas if
the US were truly hostile to China, it would try to bait China
into irrecoverably tarnishing its own reputation by standing
with Russia. Hopefully China can understand from this that US
leftists are basically well-meaning towards China.
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Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 3, 2022, 1:23 pm
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Did China Get Played by Putin on Ukraine? - TLDR News
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> China and Russia seemed to have a burgeoning relationship with
the two becoming increasingly close in recent months. However,
this trust seems to have been shaken by the Ukraine crisis, so
let's discuss why Xi hasn't come to Putin's rescue and if China
was played by Russia.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQWpqO6KuE
Interestingly, under Duginism Germany was meant to play the role
as buffer between East and West, and I'm almost 100% sure Putin
believed this as well, and may still?
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 7, 2022, 1:08 pm
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China is not going to pick and choose sides, professor says of
Russia-Ukraine war
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> Victor Gao of Soochow University says China has good relations
with both Ukraine and Russia and will promote peace and
stability as best it can.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cnTiDmkNo
Xi is the 'one person in the world' who has leverage over Putin,
says economist
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> Stephen Roach of Yale University says China is "holding the
trump card" and the best thing it can do is "broker a peace
deal" between Russia and Ukraine.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiTG-9Avpo4
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 7, 2022, 8:59 pm
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"China is not going to pick and choose sides"
This is the attitude that, in the long-term, will lead to
everyone despising China. Fence-sitting is inherently
dishonourable. So long as China does not choose sides, both
sides are in effect forced to be on guard against China (which
by not yet having already chosen a side it is reserving a chance
for itself to do so at any unspecified time in the future), and
both sides will understandably resent having to be on perpetual
guard against China. The whole point of choosing a side and
deliberately making yourself as hated as possible by your chosen
enemy is to give yourself no possible way of going back. Only
then can your chosen ally feel assured that they can fully trust
you.
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Then again, I sense that if China were to choose a side right
now, it is more likely to choose the wrong side (ie. Russia), so
maybe we are lucky that it is fence-sitting for now. We should
use this time to remind China that Russia is the only Western
colonial power which hasn't yet returned the territory it stole
from China:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg1207/#msg1207
If China were to take back Outer Manchura right now, do you
really think Russia, already embroiled in Ukraine, would dare to
open up a second front of war? Most importantly, this would give
the US an opening to support China's territorial claim. All of a
sudden, America and China would be allies against Russia! And
with the EU also against Russia right now (in contrast to
Dugin's expectations of most of the EU siding with Russia in
future), Russia would suddenly find itself in the weakest
position it has ever been in!
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 7, 2022, 9:11 pm
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Seems like the Chinese government cares mostly about "growth"
and "modernization" these days above all other issues....
Speaking of burning bridges I like these ones too:
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