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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: November 17, 2021, 12:08 pm
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China sends warning to Biden after summit
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> China’s President Xi Jinping warned President Biden not to
“play with fire” in regards to possible US intervention with
Taiwan. CNN speaks with Daily Beast columnist Gordon Chang and
former US Ambassador to China Max Baucus following the summit
between the two leaders.
> #CNN #News
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYJUn2DZ18
#Post#: 9969--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 3, 2021, 9:04 pm
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The US portrayal of China as an enemy is holding up other New
World countries:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-ally-incoming-honduran-president-171538461.html
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> Incoming Honduras president signals U-turn on initiating China
ties
>
> TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - The government of incoming Honduran
president Xiomara Castro does not plan to establish diplomatic
ties with China as it prioritizes U.S. relations, a high-ranking
ally of Castro said on Thursday, signaling a reversal of her
pre-election stance.
> ...
> Salvador Nasralla, the runner-up of the Honduran 2017
presidential election who is set to be one of Castro's three
vice presidents, told Reuters that any relations with China had
to be weighed against ties with the United States.
> ...
> "Our trade ally, our close ally, our historical ally is the
United States. We don't want to fight with the United States,
the United States is our main trade ally."
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I don't want other New World countries to fight the US either!
But no country should be forced to choose between China and the
US in the first place! All it would take is the US - a former
victim of Western colonialism - changing its attitude to
recognize China - another former victim of Western colonialism -
as its ally against our common oppressors, and all these other
smaller countries - all of them former victims of Western
colonialism also - would enthusiastically embrace the prospects
of good relations with China and the US simultaneously!
#Post#: 10346--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 30, 2021, 8:25 pm
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After much delay:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/asian-american-groups-call-biden-194854973.html
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> Asian American groups call on Biden to end controversial China
Initiative
> ...
> Tao was the first of more than 20 academics of Chinese descent
to be prosecuted under the China Initiative, a Trump-era
national security program to address Chinese economic espionage
— the theft of trade secrets to benefit a foreign government —
in universities and research institutions. Over the past year,
Asian American advocacy groups have increased pressure on the
Biden administration to end the initiative, which they say
unfairly targets ethnic Chinese scientists and brings emotional
and financial harm to their families.
> ...
> “The China Initiative impacts Americans, permanent residents,
immigrants, international students and visiting scholars,” said
Gisela Kusakawa, a staff attorney for the civil rights group
Asian Americans Advancing Justice, or AAAJ. “It’s based on the
premise that all scientists of Chinese descent or [who] have
connections to China should be treated with suspicion.”
>
> Nearly 90 percent of the 148 people charged under the China
Initiative are ethnically Chinese, according to an investigation
by MIT Technology Review. They include U.S. citizens, Chinese
citizens and citizens of Hong Kong and Southeast Asia.
>
> The Justice Department didn’t respond to a request for
comment. At a congressional hearing last month, Attorney General
Merrick Garland said China represents “a serious threat with
respect to espionage”
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Reminder:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland
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> Merrick Brian Garland was born on November 13, 1952, in
Chicago.[1] He grew up in the northern Chicago suburb of
Lincolnwood.[2][3] His mother Shirley (née Horwitz)[4] was a
director of volunteer services at Chicago's Council for Jewish
Elderly (now called CJE SeniorLife). His father, Cyril Garland,
headed Garland Advertising, a small business run out of the
family home.[3][5][6] Garland was raised in Conservative
Judaism, the family name having been changed from Garfinkel
several generations prior. His grandparents left the Pale of
Settlement within the Russian Empire in the early twentieth
century
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 3, 2022, 11:02 pm
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Rightists are behaving exactly as I predicted:
HTML https://vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-russia-is-not-the-great-rival-china-is
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> China, has 10 times the population of Russia and an economy 10
times Putin's. Moreover, China harbors ancestral claims to
Russian territory in the Far East, which, in 1969, caused a
border clash between the two countries.
>
> Putin has decided that the long retreat of Russian power must
end, that the eastward march of a NATO alliance created to
contain and resist Russia must end, and if this means risking
war over Ukraine, so be it.
>
> Putin may see this as a now-or-never moment to halt the
decades-long attrition of Russian territorial and national
power.
>
> And the U.S.?
> ...
> Our great challenge in the 21st century is not Russia.
>
> Indeed, in the long term, we want Russia on our side in the
long struggle between the U.S. and the West, and Communist
China.
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The True Left is ready to counter this with our far more heroic
vision of the US and China - former fellow victims of Western
colonialism - uniting against Western colonial power Russia. It
is the False Left which is (as usual) holding everything up by
stubbornly continuing to portray Russia and China as a single
entity, oblivious to all arguments (from both rightists and
ourselves) showing that Russia and China are about as different
as any two countries could ever be.
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 16, 2022, 12:03 am
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A pragmatic approach to the issue:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CydroIVRT_I
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 23, 2022, 1:47 am
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HTML https://mobile.twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1484992991622221826
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> Germany just fired their Navy Chief for saying we need Russia
on the West's side to counter China
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We need the US on China's side to counter the future Russia-led
West (a.k.a. Turandom)!
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 4, 2022, 8:27 pm
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This is the US' fault. All it would have taken to pull China
away from Russia would have been for the US to offer China a
better deal than Russia can offer. The US can still do this now.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg10925/#msg10925
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 6, 2022, 10:34 pm
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At least athletes are trying to improve US-China relations:
HTML https://sports.yahoo.com/love-beijing-olympics-between-chinese-060300760.html
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> 'It's all love' at Beijing Olympics between Chinese, US
curlers
>
> A Chinese curling duo's unexpected gift to their victorious
USA opponents at the Beijing Winter Olympics brought a temporary
thaw to the chilly atmosphere between the two world powers.
>
> Curlers Ling Zhi and Fan Suyuan presented a set of
commemorative pins to Christopher Plys and Vicky Persinger after
the Americans prevailed 7-5 in their mixed doubles round-robin
encounter on Saturday.
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Previously:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg7956/#msg7956
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 8, 2022, 3:12 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/sports/raised-in-the-us-skiing-for-china-eileen-gu-is-beijing-2022-s-most-fascinating-athlete-074010013.html
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> Raised in the U.S., skiing for China, Eileen Gu is Beijing
2022’s most fascinating athlete
> ...
> “I am proud of my heritage, and equally proud of my American
upbringings,” she said, and then laid out her intentions.
>
> “The opportunity to help inspire millions of young people
where my mom was born, during the 2022 Beijing Olympic Winter
Games is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to help to promote the
sport I love,” Gu wrote. “Through skiing, I hope to unite
people, promote common understanding, create communication, and
forge friendships between nations. If I can help to inspire one
young girl to break a boundary, my wishes will have come true.”
> ...
> “It is possible that this decision will work well for Ms. Gu,”
said John Soares, an adjunct assistant professor of history at
the University of Notre Dame with experience in Olympic history.
“She might become a hero in both the USA and China. It is
possible, too, she could end up being denounced in both
countries.”
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It would certainly benefit US-China relations to have a shared
hero. At least both the US and China should be happy that Gu
stopped a gold medal from going to France, a common former
colonizer of both the US and China:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/sports/us-born-freeskier-gu-wins-032248348.html
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> Gu did just that, earning the first of what she and her many
fans in Beijing hope could be three gold medals by cranking out
the first 1620 of her career in her final turn, stunning Tess
Ledeux of France to win the Olympic debut of women's freeski big
air.
> ...
> It was only a month ago that Ledeux became the first woman to
land a 1620 in competition, stomping one down while taking gold
at the Winter X Games. The French 20-year-old boldly pulled off
another in the first of three rounds Tuesday, immediately
setting the bar beyond where anyone else had previously reached.
> ...
> Gu said she briefly considered trying to improve upon her 1440
but the math said the only way to close the gap on Ledeux was to
go for the 1620.
>
> She shrieked the moment her skis hit the landing, floating
backward down what remained of the slope with her hands first
over her head, then covering her face. She crumpled to her knees
when her score of 94.5 was announced — good for a combined total
of 188.25, just clear of Ledeux's 187.5. Swiss skier Mathilde
Gremaud took bronze.
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This is how we should look at Gu: whether she is getting golds
for China or for the US, she by her presence is downgrading the
medals won by Western colonial powers.
(Yes, Switzerland was a Western colonial power too:
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/banking-slavery-switzerland-examines-its-colonial-conscience<br
/>
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> It was involved in the slave trade through financial
investments in ships that carried more than 170,000 Africans to
the Americas. At one point, the city of Berne was the largest
shareholder of the British slave trading firm the South Sea
Company. Zurich also had shares in the South Sea Company and was
financially involved in the deportation of more than 35,000
people, the study says.
>
> Through its textile industry, which was key to the country’s
industrialisation, Switzerland was closely tied to the
triangular slave trade. “Through the production of printed
cotton fabrics, known as indiennes, Switzerland acted as a
supplier for the transatlantic slave trade,” said Marcel
Brengard, one of the historians who conducted the study. “The
indiennes were sold in west Africa, and the money made from the
sale was then used to purchase slaves.”
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)
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Re: China and United States Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 23, 2022, 12:57 am
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Good advice:
HTML https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2022-02-21/chinas-ukraine-crisis
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> The crisis in Ukraine is exposing the limits of Chinese
President Xi Jinping’s foreign policy. Beijing’s global
aspirations are now clashing with its desire to remain
selectively ambiguous and aloof. Although Chinese leaders may
not recognize it, their country’s closer alignment with Russia
is far from prudent.
> ...
> Beijing would no doubt prefer that the current crisis didn’t
exist. For starters, Ukraine is an important trade partner for
China in its own right, with more than $15 billion in bilateral
trade flows in 2020. The country is also a vital gateway to
Europe and a formal partner of the Belt and Road Initiative,
Xi’s flagship geopolitical endeavor. Last month, Xi extended
greetings to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, noting,
“Since the establishment of diplomatic ties 30 years ago,
China-Ukraine relations have always maintained a sound and
stable development momentum.” Privately, Chinese experts have
lamented that Beijing, worried about offending Moscow, doesn’t
do more to support an important partner in the Belt and Road
Initiative.
> ...
> China’s leaders are certainly aware that any support to Russia
over Ukraine would aggravate relations with the EU and the
United States. Chinese strategists view Russia, the United
States, and Europe as the most important determinants of the
global balance of power. They have long seen Europe’s dreams of
a multipolar world as aligned with their own. By cementing the
split between Russia and Europe, a Russian invasion of Ukraine
would thus risk dividing the most important powers into two
blocs—Russia and China on one side and the United States and
Europe on the other—re-creating the Cold War security
arrangements that China claims to vehemently oppose. Making
matters worse, China would be aligned with the weakest of the
three other powers.
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HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/22/ukraine-crisis-poses-dilemma-for-china-but-also-opportunity
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> In the last few days, as the crisis in Ukraine dominated
international headlines, Chinese analysts have debated the
country’s policy choice. While hardliners advocate a pro-Russia
foreign policy, others think Beijing should seize on this crisis
to protect ties with Washington.
>
> “China ultimately wants good relations with the US,” said Wang
Huiyao, president of the Centre for China and Globalisation, a
Beijing-based thinktank, who also advises the government.
> ...
> So far, China’s position on Russia’s move on Ukraine has been
clear: Beijing does not endorse Moscow’s aggression. China’s top
diplomat, Wang Yi, attempted to clarify this stance over the
weekend. “The sovereignty, independence and territorial
integrity of any country should be respected and safeguarded,”
Wang told the Munich Security Conference. “Ukraine is no
exception.”
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Could Ukraine be the beginning of divergence between China and
Russia, and if so, is the US ready to offer China a better deal
than Russia can offer in exchange for China turning against
Russia?
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