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China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 3, 2020, 10:14 pm
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US defense chief slams China as rising threat to world order
[quote]MUNICH (AP) — U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper on
Saturday cast China as a rising threat to world order — saying
the world’s most populous nation steals Western know-how,
intimidates smaller neighbors and seeks an “advantage by any
means and at any cost.”
A frequent critic of China, Esper used an address to an
international security conference in Munich, Germany, to give
his most comprehensive condemnation yet of a communist country
that he said tops the Pentagon’s list of potential adversaries,
followed by Russia, “rogue states” like North Korea and Iran,
and continuing threats from extremist groups.[/quote]
HTML https://apnews.com/07b8744fa239890c83222d2a4ee5c7d9
US defence chief: China is the biggest threat to world order
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRoY2PQsGg
As far as we know though China has never put bounties on
American soldiers heads as Russia apparently has, nor has China
attacked America twice as Israel clearly has. Yet, Israel
remains the U.S.' top ally even though the majority of Jews in
Israel are of Russian decent. Could the U.S. political
establishment be any more foolish? Can westerners be anymore
ignorant than they currently are?
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 5, 2020, 12:37 am
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OLD CONTENT
www.yahoo.com/news/gop-senator-says-china-blame-213159255.html
[quote]WASHINGTON — Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, drew a backlash
on social media and from Asian American advocates on Wednesday
for claiming China was "to blame" for the spread of the
coronavirus because of a "culture where people eat bats and
snakes and dogs and things like that."
'These viruses are transmitted from the animal to the people and
that's why China has been the source of a lot of these viruses
like SARS, like MERS, the Swine flu, and now the coronavirus, so
I think they have a fundamental problem, the Texas Republican
said to reporters
...
Swine flu was first detected in the United States in 2009, and
MERS was first identified in Jordan in 2012, according to the
CDC.
...
"Swine Flu didn’t even originate in China. It started here in
the United States, where we eat pigs," wrote former federal
prosecutor Renato Mariotti.
...
"Can we go back to when being racist in public wasn’t cool?"
said Democratic attorney and politician Bakari Sellers on
Twitter.
Rep. Judy Chu, D-Calif., the chair of the Congressional Asian
Pacific American Caucus, called Cornyn’s comments “disgusting”
and an attempt to “shift attention away from President Trump's
truncated response” to the coronavirus pandemic.[/quote]
I hope that, in the same way that support for Israel went from
bipartisan a decade ago to primarily a Red position today thanks
to our activism, so too can hostility towards China move from
bipartisan today (such that most Blue politicians today feel a
need to prove their credentials by declaring how hostile they
are towards China) to a Red-only position in the near future. To
this end, all Blue public defence of China in response (such as
above) to Red attacks should be praised and encouraged.
Flashback:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6dEMQ624wM
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I suspect many leftists even secretly sympathize with China,
given the aforementioned racist comments by Trump
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"Here is an example of a False Leftist purportedly “defending”
China, by citing Xi’s election victory as evidence of the
democratic nature of the regime."
The problem is that Singh is only repeating the Xi's own line:
Xi himself frequently claims that China is "democratic" (and
worse, "more democratic" than Western countries)! Instead of
taking pride in China being the last major holdout for autocracy
in the whole world, Xi seems to want to redefine the term
"democratic" to describe China's system of government! This is
extremely buffoonish. Not only does it waste its present chance
to vaunt the superiority of autocracy and thus commence the
long-awaited counterrevolution against democracy, but it also
fails to convince actual democrats (e.g. Hong Kong rightists)
and instead merely supplies them with easy ammo with which to
accuse the Xi of gaslighting.
"Democratic" is not a synonym for "good". But Xi will never
understand this (you can tell this just from his clothes).
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"If China is democratized it’s over."
If China starts having popular vote it is definitely over. But
even if it does not, the very fact that it feels the need to
call itself "democratic" (though without popular vote) is still
a sign that it is in rhetorical retreat.
Unlike the False Left which merely follows Xi's rhetoric
claiming to be "democratic" (though without popular vote), the
True Left approach to positivity towards China should more often
involve educating people about pre-modern Chinese rulers (who
were autocratic and proud of it).
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We are actually not all that far off from achieving partisanship
on attitudes towards China:
www.yahoo.com/news/more-half-americans-think-china-150800626.htm
l
[quote]nearly 90 percent of Republicans believe China, where the
coronavirus originated, is responsible for the spread while
two-thirds of Democrats surveyed said the same.
...
Among GOP voters, 71 percent think China has a responsibility to
compensate other countries for the damage the pandemic has
caused. Fewer than half of Democrats agree with that sentiment,
but the 41 percent who do is not an insignificant
amount.[/quote]
Going by the second statistic, we already have a partisan split
comparable in degree to the current Red-Blue split on Israel vs
Palestine.
Even going by the less optimistic first statistic, just another
17% Blue flip is needed.
Now is the time to use every available opportunity to preach to
Blues the vision of a US-China alliance, specifically as the
best counterstrategy to Duginism. Once we get the split, every
time Blues see Reds attack China, it will only cause them to
defend China more (which will then further annoy the Reds),
whereupon the remaining polarization will occur by itself.
Relevant:
www.quora.com/Why-dont-the-United-States-and-China-form-an-allia
nce
www.uscpfa.org/about-uscpfa
uschinainnovation.org/about-ucia/
asiasociety.org/files/pdf/US_China_Roadmap_on_Climate_Change.pdf
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"What about the non-aligned movement?"
We would like to include most NAM countries (notable exception:
Myanmar).
"I notice China is designated as an observer country in the
NAM...."
This at least puts it closer to NAM than Russia.
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us.yahoo.com/news/trump-ad-suggests-campaign-strategy-141858669.
html
[quote]“During America’s crisis, Biden protected China’s
feelings,” the online ad says, presenting a montage of clips of
Biden complimenting and praising the Chinese, including the
country’s leader, Xi Jinping, and of a news segment accusing
Biden of helping his son Hunter profit off Chinese investments.
The ad also includes an image of a smiling Biden standing
alongside an Asian American man — an apparent attempt to suggest
that the former president has an inappropriately cozy
relationship with China.[/quote]
The correct response from Biden would be to embrace the
accusation that he is friendly towards China, and arguing why
this is precisely what is needed in 21st century geopolitics,
thereby turning the accusation into a compliment.
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The Duginism map:
[img width=1280
height=651]
HTML https://external-preview.redd.it/13CkuKmMmYiimgaLwTI8GNG5f2DpEVguo-rO-FYoWSE.png?auto=webp&s=6387a85073151d52aad03a499dfda38911f58c91[/img]
This alone is a strong argument for a US-China alliance as the
foundation of any serious anti-Duginist movement. From there we
must shore up the UK and Turkey, and then ensure that Russia
gets as few as possible of the allies Dugin wants, which should
be highly achievable via the combined persuasive power of the US
and China, but which would be much harder with the US and China
refusing to collaborate.
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 5, 2020, 12:54 am
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OLD CONTENT contd.
At least some people are trying to think positively:
foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/06/united-states-china-coronavirus-pan
demic-tensions/
[quote]Could the Pandemic Ease U.S.-China Tensions?
Against a backdrop of tariffs, 5G, and weakening diplomacy,
COVID-19 might be a rare chance for the two countries to come
together—if they can listen to their better angels
...
Between the two countries, China and the United States have vast
capital and human resources. To stave off global economic
collapse, and help fast-track lifesaving medical research, they
must come together now, both through bilateral collaboration and
in leading a more effective global response.
...
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s robust
technical assistance program on infectious diseases in China,
which was dramatically scaled back in 2018 as a result of budget
cuts, should be restored and expanded. So too should work under
the 2016 memorandum of understanding in which the two countries
agreed jointly to provide public health and disease control
training in Africa—where in recent months the United States has
sought to block China from building the headquarters of the
Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. Lastly,
Washington should invite Beijing to co-chair an action task
force on COVID-19 under the Global Health Security Agenda, a
multilateral public-private initiative focused on combating
infectious disease.
...
As this year’s host of the G-7 group of advanced economies, the
United States should invite China to join virtual meetings to
coordinate strategies to limit the damage from COVID-19 and
prepare for rapid economic recovery.
...
The United States should work with the International Monetary
Fund, the European Union, and Japan to help China work out
arrangements to relieve or forgive the massive debt it holds in
the most vulnerable developing countries. The United States can
assist in retooling existing projects to build desperately
needed public health infrastructure, particularly given
America’s strength in medical services, software, and
expeditionary medicine.
...
These suggested steps, albeit modest, would go a long way in
reversing the negative course in U.S.-China relations. Both
countries have experienced and competent ambassadors supported
by professional staff. A good starting point would be for the
two teams to agree on a menu of options for bilateral
cooperation that the leaders could discuss. Joint action would
allow both countries to show leadership at a critical time in
history, when many smaller nations are increasingly vulnerable.
And each of these measures could build some needed trust between
Beijing and Washington, setting the stage for progress on other
issues.[/quote]
www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202004/04/WS5e884179a3101282172846c7.htm
l
[quote]Susan Shirk, chair of the 21st Century China Center and
professor emeritus at the GPS of the UC San Diego, said this
global health challenge required global solutions, which must
involve coordination between the world's two largest economies.
"We are going to need a massive international effort on multiple
fronts to help developing countries deal with the epidemic,
develop a vaccine, and then vaccinate billions of people. Other
nations will be hesitant to act unless they are convinced the
United States and China are on the same page," she said in a
statement posted on the university's website.
A group of Chinese academics had previously called for
cooperation between Beijing and Washington to beat COVID-19.
"Political bickering does nothing to contribute to the healthy
development of Sino-US relations, nor will it help the people of
the world to rationally and accurately understand and cope with
the pandemic," said the group of 100 Chinese scholars in an open
letter published on Thursday in the online news magazine, The
Diplomat.
...
In response to the letter of Chinese scholars, Chinese Foreign
Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Friday that more
"rational, calm and positive" voices are needed at the current
stage of COVID-19.[/quote]
So does it appear that a Blue US or a Red US can best make the
above happen?
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvFCCs2WiFw
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More China bashing from Weinstein (Jew):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRZeemK03s
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSDnEU9tO9A
Good answer, unfortunately spoiled by the Eurocentric clothes.
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Eurocentric clothing is obviously an attempt by Chinese leaders
to convey the message that they are more "diplomatic", but who
decides what is or isn't diplomatic? Answer: Westerners. So,
therefore, by adopting Eurocentric clothing, Chinese leaders are
automatically accepting that they will be subservient to the
West in any diplomatic encounters, and thus cave in to their
every demand.
in the PR war Eurocentric clothing will convey the message that
China is more open to adopting a Western form of government and
thus will make it more susceptible to Zionist infiltrators who
outwardly promote diplomacy with China, such as Max Blumenthal
(Jew), but who seek to eventually democratize China.
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us.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ambassador-u-urges-serious-060929750.h
tml
[quote](Bloomberg) -- The Chinese ambassador to the U.S. called
for a “serious rethinking” of relations between the world’s
biggest economies in the face of the global coronavirus
pandemic.
“I think I should be hoping for more than just a pause in
tensions, but really a serious rethinking of the very
foundations of this important relationship,” Cui Tiankai said in
response to a question on U.S.-China ties during a Bloomberg New
Economy webcast on Tuesday.
...
Cui has emerged as a voice of caution on U.S.-China relations.
In March, he distanced himself from tweets by foreign ministry
spokesman Zhao Lijian, who speculated that the U.S. Army may
have brought the virus to Wuhan. Cui described such speculation
as “very harmful” and said investigations of the virus’s origin
were best left to scientists. Zhao has since stopped promoting
such claims.
...
Cui added that China’s development has not come at the expense
of the U.S., saying China wants “nothing to do with U.S.
domestic politics, we can’t even make sense of it,” in response
to a question on who China would prefer to win the presidential
election in November.[/quote]
I would say Cui is the one who needs to do some serious
rethinking.
Firstly, he should stop thinking of the US as a single entity.
Instead he should start thinking of the US as Red vs Blue , and
figuring out which one is more likely to have a more positive
relationship with China (Answer: Blue). Thus China should
absolutely have a preference regarding who wins the 2020
election (Answer: the Blue candidate).
Secondly, Zhao said nothing "harmful". Cui only thinks it is
harmful because he interprets Zhao's speculation as an attack on
the US as a whole. It is not. When the US Army brought the virus
to Wuhan, it was under the Trump administration. Therefore Zhao
is only attacking the Red part of the US. Cui's job should be to
emphasize that China will not lump in the Blue part of the US to
blame for this, and thus not only do Blue supporters have
nothing to fear from China, but it would actually benefit them
to join in the attack on Red supporters.
Good relations between China and the US will not happen without
Blue predominance. But the longer China ignores the Red vs Blue
conflict instead of outspokenly supporting the Blue struggle,
the higher the chances even a future Blue-predominant US will be
unenthusiastic about good relations with China. This is what Cui
should be thinking about carefully.
---
More people are now saying what I was saying earlier about
Biden:
www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/us-faces-a-hard-choice-about
-china
[quote]What should Joe Biden do?
Now that former vice-president Joe Biden has become Trump’s
presumptive opponent, it will be necessary for Biden and his
campaign team to take a top to bottom evaluation on where
various issues stand.
The Trump campaign has already fired the first volley, accusing
Biden of being too close to China and, not incidentally, the
campaign clip also took a xenophobic swipe at Americans of
Chinese ancestry. The New York Times said: “The ad, which calls
Joe Biden soft on China and falsely suggests a former governor
of Washington is Chinese, shows that President Trump plans to
continue exploiting racial discord in his re-election bid.”
The one-minute spot was loaded with cheap shots designed to
mislead and fool the uninformed. As vice-president, Biden made
official visits to Beijing. Footage of his meeting with Chinese
President Xi Jinping suggested something unsavory and implied
that then ambassador Gary Locke accompanying Biden was a Chinese
official.
As the election campaign heats up, Biden can expect a piling on
of TV spots that will accuse him of being in Beijing’s pocket.
With Steve Bannon, a master of misdirection and misinformation,
advising Trump’s campaign, being close to China will just be one
of the issues Biden will have to deal with.
What should Biden do to counter? Should he counter by arguing
that he is as anti-China as Trump or even more rabid? Surely
that would put him on the defensive and exercising a losing
strategy.
Instead, Biden should articulate an approach with China as
diametrically different from Trump as possible. Talk about
global trade rather than a tariff war, collaboration on battling
the pandemic, joint leadership on climate change and a mutual
contribution to the financial stability of the world. Those
would be some of the major issues that expose Trump’s failure to
deliver for the American people.
Biden’s job is to take a bold stand and explain to voters that
working with China would boost the global economy, including the
US. Conversely, by continuing on Trump’s trajectory of treating
China as an adversary and decoupling from each other, the
economy of both countries would shrink and assure a losing
future for the people of America, and for the world.[/quote]
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www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/a-look-at-the-china-us-russi
a-triangle
[quote]Today both China and Russia feel more than ever that they
need to strengthen strategic coordination to deal with pressure
from the United States. Although the two countries’ static
inferiority against the U.S. in terms of physical power has
significantly improved because of the China factor, their
dynamic inferiority remains unchanged. In other words, neither
China nor Russia can provide each other with strong enough
support to mitigate American pressure in areas where it is most
needed.
For example, Russia cannot provide China with a domestic market
of billions of dollars, much less with advanced industrial
technologies. And China cannot support Russia in the
battlefields of Ukraine or Syria or provide it with sufficient
development funding to counteract sanctions.[/quote]
www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/where-are-china-russia-relat
ions-heading-
[quote]Exchanges between the Chinese and Russian people,
especially young people, are insufficient, and there is not much
deep-level cooperation between universities. The number of
international exchange students from China and U.S. who study in
the counterpart country is much larger than the number between
China and Russia.
In addition, there is insufficient trust regarding the Belt and
Road Initiative. China-Russia cooperation in this regard has
progressed slowly, even though China has made rapid progress in
Central Asian countries.[/quote]
www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/sino-american-and-russian-re
lations-president-trumps-unilateral-actions-in-the-middle-east-h
elped-china-to-replace-the-us-as-the-force-for-good
[quote]Similar to the Sino-Iranian relationship built on trade,
weapons, and oil, China has now emerged as the strongest
collaborator with Iraq. A partner of President Xi Jinping’s Belt
and Road Initiative (BRI), Iraq’s total trade with China
exceeded $30 billion in 2018. China is the largest trading
partner of Iraq and the second biggest importer of Iraq’s oil.
During his visit to Beijing in September 2019, Iraqi Prime
Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi said that China will be “a quantum
leap” in Sino-Iraqi relations after the two countries signed
eight comprehensive agreements on culture, defense, diplomacy,
education, finance, reconstruction, security, and trade. Unlike
the Russia–Syria–Iran–Iraq coalition with reactions to the White
House’s unpredictable actions, China’s inroads into Iraq had
deliberately been planned and engaged in bilateral diplomacy
through the BRI framework.
With the latest US-Iran escalation, China certainly foresees
greater opportunities to expand its influence in the region. For
many – including former CIA director Michael Hayden – Trump is
either a “Russian asset” or a “useful idiot,” as the
consequences of the president’s decisions in Iraq have now
become welcome news for Bagdad and Teheran to make Washington
less important to the regional stakeholders, except for
Israel.[/quote]
The answer is staring us in the face. All it takes is an
adjustment in perspective. A US-China alliance would be good for
everyone except Russia and Israel. Which is what we want.
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"Then why is it that I keep hearing about Chinese-Israeli tech
cooperation?"
Because of the lack of Chinese-American tech cooperation!
China's reliance on Israel for tech can be short-circuited
overnight if only the US were willing to become Israel's rival
partner to China, deliberately offering better deals to China
than Israel is willing to offer!
This is same logic as what I had to explain to Ingrid back on
the old blog years ago:
aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/facing-muspellheimr/comment-pa
ge-1/#comment-168583
[quote]Syria has been forced to depend on Russian intervention
because it has lacked BETTER allies than Russia (which is just
in there for its own interests). If another military power been
willing to intervene in Syria in support of Assad sooner than
Russia had intervened, then the Russian intervention would have
been unnecessary. What the Russian intervention demonstrates is
not Russia's goodwill, but Syria's lack of choices. Therefore we
should not be praising Russian intervention, but should be
encouraging other countries to RIVAL Russia in being
pro-Assad.[/quote]
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Our enemies recently wrote an article where even they
effectively admit that China has never been "stealing"
technology as such, but rather scavenging:
www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/04/18/beating-us-with-our-own
-weapons/
[quote]two Chinese information specialists, Huo Zhongwen and
Wang Zongxiao, published a 361–page book entitled Sources and
Methods of Obtaining National Defense Science and Technology
Intelligence. The book candidly describes the structure and
methods of China’s open source S&T information gathering system.
Among the sources discussed are the Congressional Information
Service, the US National Technical Information Service (NTIS),
NASA, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,
the Department of Energy and the Lockheed Corporation.
Huo and Wang blandly acknowledge that
there are similarities between what we refer to as ‘information’
and what the foreign intelligence community refers to as
intelligence work. … By picking here and there among the vast
amount of public materials and accumulating information a drop
at a time, often it is possible to basically reveal the outlines
of some secret intelligence, and this is particularly true in
the case of the Western countries.
Huo and Wang give examples of discoveries of which they are
especially proud. One involves the mining of declassified
documents from Los Alamos National Laboratory:
[American agents] reviewed a total of 388,000 documents in 33
days, so each reviewer had to review around 1000 documents a
day, about two a minute. The pace of the reviews resulted in a
large number of errors—around five percent—that is, some 19,400
documents that were mistakenly declassified, and of these there
were at least eight highly secret items regarding thermonuclear
weapons.[/quote]
Not only is this entirely ethical, but the best thing about it
is that it reduces the incentive for innovation by making it
harder for innovation to produce (as paleocons aim) a
geopolitical advantage exclusively to the innovating country.
This should help put some brakes on this:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
buying us more time to persuade the world ideologically that we
shouldn't even want so many machines in the first place.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9KETUBNaCk
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www.france24.com/en/20200406-brazil-minister-offends-china-with-
racist-virus-tweet
[quote]China demanded an explanation from Brazil Monday after
the far-right government's education minister linked the
coronavirus pandemic to the Asian country's "plan for world
domination," in a tweet imitating a Chinese accent.
In the latest incident to strain ties between Brasilia and
Beijing, Education Minister Abraham Weintraub insinuated China
was behind the global health crisis.
...
In the original Portuguese, his tweet substituted the letter "r"
with capital "L" -- "BLazil" instead of "Brazil," for example --
in a style commonly used to mock a Chinese accent.[/quote]
In case you are wondering, yes:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Weintraub
[quote]Weintraub was born in São Paulo into a Jewish
family.[/quote]
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Our enemies make our case for us:
www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15944/afghanistan-china-moving-in
[quote]Beijing has deftly maintained low-key but friendly
relations with the Taliban since the Islamic movement assumed
power in Kabul in 1996. Only China and Pakistan kept their ties
with the Taliban when American and Northern Alliance forces
drove the terrorist group from power in the autumn of 2001.
China is now the foremost foreign source of investment in
Afghanistan. China, for instance, has gained access to three
separate oil fields in the Afghan provinces of Sari-i-pul and
Faryab and has also invested heavily in extracting copper and
iron ore from Afghanistan.
China, however, seems to be hedging its bets. It remains a
supplier of weapons to the Taliban through the third-party
services of Iran. Both the United Kingdom and the U.S. State
Department have complained to China about the free flow of
Chinese weapons to Iran, which then wind up with the Taliban.
These include surface-to-air missiles, rocket-propelled
grenades, artillery shells and land mines. In fact, as early as
2007, British Royal Marines intercepted a ten-ton cache of
Chinese weapons left for the Taliban by the Iranians in Herat
Province, Afghanistan, which borders on Iran.
...
China developed early ties to Afghan jihadists by sending them
weapons to fight the Russians after the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan in late December 1979. The Chinese Ambassador to
Pakistan also established close ties with the Taliban in 2000,
during a meeting in Kandahar, Afghanistan with the group's
leader, Mullah Omar. The Taliban, in turn, pledged to protect
Chinese investment projects in Afghanistan. China's $3 billion
copper mine investment at Mes Aynak in Afghanistan's Logar
Province remains under the Taliban's protection.[/quote]
Bear in mind that, during the Cold War, the US and Afghanistan
were allies too! Thus the US and China were on the same side
when it came to opposing Russia. This is what we need to get
back to.
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 5, 2020, 1:14 am
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OLD CONTENT contd.
HTML https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-lab/france-says-no-evidence-covid-19-linked-to-wuhan-research-lab-idUSKBN21Z2ME
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Cuomo seems to see that the "outcompete the Reds in blaming
China" approach is wrong:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbfKzLl1Qc
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A positive article dating from before the current crisis, which
shows how much relations have worsened in just the last few
months:
www.huffpost.com/entry/us-china-relations-kevin-rudd-report_b_70
96784
[quote]a core geopolitical fact emerging from the report is that
we are now seeing the rise of what Evan Feigenbaum has described
as “two Asias”: an “economic Asia” that is increasingly
dominated by China; and a “security Asia” that remains dominated
by the United States. China is now a bigger trading partner with
every country in Asia than the United States. The U.S. is either
an ally or strategic partner of the bulk of maritime Asia. By
contrast, China’s only strategic “ally” is North Korea, which
has become a greater strategic liability than an asset. If
strategic tensions drove the U.S. and China into adversarial
postures, regional states would face increasingly irresistible
pressure to make a zero sum strategic choice between the two.
...
The report argues that the time is ripe to consider alternative
institutional approaches that integrate both China and the U.S.
into a common regional arrangement, and with a mandate to tackle
both security and economic challenges. If competing structures
are established, these will exacerbate regional division.
Furthermore, the report argues that any explicit attempt to
exclude the U.S. from the regional security architecture is more
likely to strengthen existing U.S. military alliances, rather
than weaken them. Rather than playing an institutional
tug-of-war, it would be far more constructive for the U.S. and
China to join hands in building pan-regional institutional
arrangements. This will not solve all regional security
challenges. But it will help to manage, and reduce, them over
time. Confidence-building measures could cascade into a more
transparent security culture and, in time, a more secure Asia.
But this can only happen if both powers decide to invest common
capital into a common regional institution. Otherwise, we really
do find ourselves in the world of the “zero sum game.”
...
Before “détente,” in the latter period of the Cold War, a
joint narrative between the U.S. and the Soviet Union was not
possible. Both sides were not only ideological enemies. They
were declared military enemies. They fought proxy wars. And they
were in a permanent state of readiness to go to war directly,
and in extremis, to destroy one another in a nuclear exchange.
Over time, however, the U.S. and the Soviet Union did develop
basic protocols to avoid crises and unintended confrontation.
By contrast, despite the difficulties, the U.S.-China
relationship remains in decidedly positive territory. Since
1972, U.S.-China relations have remained more functional than
those between the U.S. and the Soviet Union ever were, and have
never escalated to a comparable level of hostility. As noted
above, both China and the United States have private and
semi-public strategic narratives about each other. But as yet
they do not have a shared strategic narrative between each
other. Such a common strategic narrative for U.S.-China
relations may be difficult, but it is certainly not impossible.
And given the stakes involved for the future, it is increasingly
necessary.
A common strategic framework for U.S.-China relations would
offer many advantages.
First, in Washington, it would help provide strategic direction
to government agencies competing for policy attention and space,
as well as those multiple agencies engaged in aspects of the
China relationship but not on a daily basis, thereby helping to
provide policy coherence in engaging on an inter- agency basis,
as well as with Chinese interlocutors;
Second, in Beijing it would go beyond that because of the more
hierarchical nature of the political and bureaucratic
decision-making process, providing direction to the system at
large; and
Third, for both powers, a coherent strategic framework would
also inject additional positive ingredients: a common
determination to manage significant differences effectively in
order to avoid unnecessary confrontation; a common commitment to
collaborate in difficult policy areas with a view to resolving
them; and a common sense of purpose to build political capital
and strategic trust over time.
For these reasons, the report argues that the ideational content
of a common strategic framework for the relationship should be:
“realist” about those areas of the relationship which are not
possible to resolve within the foreseeable future;
“constructive” about those areas that could be resolved with
high-level political effort at the bilateral, regional and
global levels; and guided by a “common purpose” to build
strategic trust, step by step, over time, not based on
declaratory statements, but instead on common action in
resolving common problems.[/quote]
It goes without saying that the strategic narrative should be
based around anti-Duginism.
By the way, do you guys remember how back in the Counterculture
era US-China cooperation was a theme in pop culture?
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if a US-China alliance is able to form, Japan, Australia, etc.
will no longer be placed in a position such that friendliness
towards China is perceived as hostility towards the US (as
above). Literally everyone benefits except Duginists.
At the moment in the US, only academics seem willing to say what
Blue politicians should be saying:
www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187744.shtml
[quote]I think the big question has to do with the role of good
government. Who can provide the kind of government and
leadership that is needed in a crisis situation like this? So
far, countries in eastern Asia have done much better than what
Europe and the US have done. I'm not sure if that has to do with
the system of government. I wonder if it has more to do with
political culture than actual political systems.
Not many Americans have lived in China for a long period of time
and been able to see China from the inside. And likewise, not
many Chinese people are able to see the US from the inside.
Therefore, I think they often imagine on both sides that the
other country is much more different from themselves. That is
actually the case. Many Americans see China as a more successful
variation of the Soviet Union. But in reality, since I've lived
in both countries, I can say that China today is miles away from
what was the Soviet Union.
...
My view has always been that the most important thing is for the
two countries to find things that they can cooperate on. It's
simply not true that the US and China have opposite interests on
every issue. With regard to the control of global epidemics and
climate change, both countries do have similar
interests.[/quote]
I suspect that another reason why the US is much more hostile
towards China than vice versa is because of relative lack of
American familiarity with Chinese pop culture compared to the
other way round. Whereas there are countless Chinese fans of
Marvel/DC superheroes, for example, there are far fewer American
fans of wuxia. I believe one of the best vehicles towards
improving US-China relations would be to promote Chinese pop
culture in the US.
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It is annoying how incompetent China is at PR:
www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/chinas-anxieties-reveal-schism
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[quote]On April 24, China’s biggest government think tank, the
Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) published in its China
Social Science Journal a lengthy 3,152-character report
analysing US media attacks against China during the Covid-19
pandemic. Published only in Chinese, it identified six main
characteristics of the US media ‘slandering and denigrating
China’ and said Beijing needs to prepare for future propaganda
wars against China during major emergencies.
The CASS report recommended six steps for winning ‘public
opinion battles’. Among them are: coordinating with government
media, private media, diplomats, enterprises and think tanks to
coordinate quick and effective counter-attacks; use all channels
including social media and mobilise companies, think tanks,
foreign scholars and experts who are ‘China-friendly’ to speak
and write articles on foreign platforms; and hire and train
people to write op-ed articles in foreign languages and ‘borrow’
think-tank experts and foreign journalists to edit Chinese state
media abroad.[/quote]
These "steps" all pertain to mere logistics, which should be the
job of administrators, not of think-tanks. What a think-tank is
supposed to offer is advice about narrative. If there is no
consistent underlying narrative, two quick counterattacks can
easily clash and make both seem disingenuous. If there is no
consistent underlying narrative, the more channels you use the
more confused your message becomes. If there is no consistent
underlying narrative, multilingual presentation will worsen all
existing confusion.
What is China's narrative?
(Hint: if China wants good relations with the US, China must
convince the US that the two countries have a common enemy.)
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 8, 2020, 7:15 pm
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The Point: Who is the root cause of China-U.S. tensions?
[quote]China-U.S. tensions are heating up. We hear from former
U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, and British Scholar
Martin Jacques, to unpack the root of the problem.[/quote]
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 10, 2020, 9:24 pm
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Zhao Lijian: 'You are buying FBI's words?'
[quote]On July 8 2020, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson
Zhao Lijian said that China regrets that U.S. foreign policy
have been "kidnapped by FBI officials like Wray and other
anti-China forces." The spokesperson added that Wray's words are
"full of political lies in negligence of basic facts, exposing
their deep-seated Cold-War mindset and ideological
bias."[/quote]
[quote]In the regular press conference, he urged certain U.S.
officials to rectify their mistakes and stop issuing erroneous
remarks on China, which undermine the two countries
relationship. [/quote]
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 11, 2020, 12:09 am
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[quote]Wang Yi: China will not, and cannot, be another
U.S.[/quote]
Again I am calling Wang an idiot. I sincerely want a China-US
alliance, but I am not under the delusion that such an alliance
is possible without identifying an explicit enemy which this
alliance is purposed to destroy, yet this identification is
precisely what Wang disparages as "binary thinking" (more
accurately, dualistic thinking):
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Yet how can you genuinely ally with a country that believes in
dualism without believing in dualism yourself? Successfully
allying with the US requires wholeheartedly embracing dualism
but building a narrative that places both countries on the same
side of the duality and the enemy on the opposite side.
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 16, 2020, 3:29 pm
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China vows retaliation against US over Hong Kong sanctions
[quote]China has said it would retaliate after US President
Donald Trump ordered an end to preferential trade treatment for
Hong Kong and signed legislation allowing sanctions over
Beijing's enactment of a draconian security law in the
semi-autonomous city.
In a statement on Wednesday, China's foreign ministry said it
"firmly opposes and strongly condemns" the Hong Kong Autonomy
Act, which unanimously passed the US Congress earlier this month
and approves sanctions on Chinese officials and banks over
Beijing's clampdown in Hong Kong.
"China will make necessary responses to protect its legitimate
interests, and impose sanctions on relevant US personnel and
entities," the ministry added, without elaborating.
The Chinese warning came amid mounting tensions with the United
States - not just over Hong Kong - but also over trade, the
global coronavirus pandemic, China's military buildup in the
South China Sea and its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the
western region of Xinjiang. [/quote]
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 21, 2020, 10:51 pm
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Cui Tiankai: Keeping China-U.S. relations on the right track is
the most important
[quote]The current state of China-U.S. relations, which have
been characterized by its deterioration, has been compared to
driving a car. The United States has been stepping on
"accelerator" while China has been stepping on "brake."
The Chinese ambassador to the U.S., Cui Tiankai, said right now
the most important thing to do is to hold the steering wheel so
that the car can go in the right direction.
Cui made the remarks during an interview with China Central
Television (CCTV).
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 24, 2020, 10:37 am
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Beijing to close U.S. Consulate-General in Chengdu
[quote]China has ordered the U.S. to shut its consulate in
southwest China's Chengdu, days after Washington unilaterally
asked Beijing to close China's consulate in Houston. Beijing
strongly condemned the move and made specific requirements on
the ceasing of all operations and events by the U.S. Consulate
General in Chengdu.[/quote]
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