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Re: Western civilization is a health hazard
DIR By: guest55
Date: October 8, 2021, 10:52 pm
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Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern
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> Called chimeras, these lab-grown creations have been hailed as
a major scientific breakthrough. But some ethics experts see
reason for worry
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> Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a
spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock
of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting
potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the
new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for
transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: October 22, 2021, 1:30 am
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An "endangered" crane killed 2 male cranes who wanted to mate
with her and later bonded with a human instead. In return? The
bird was r*ped so Western civilization could continue to derive
pleasure from the knowledge that the species is being
perpetuated...
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> Walnut is rumored to have killed not one, but two male crane
suitors in the past.
>
> “That’s the story that came with her,” Crowe tells PEOPLE,
“but we haven’t been able to confirm it. We definitely know
other [zoos] have tried to pair her, and when we got her, we
were told she killed two males who they tried to put with her,
and the reason she was sent here is because we can do artificial
insemination — but also because we can keep her separate from
other cranes. She can see them, but she can’t actually fight
with them.”
>
> Like many birds, cranes mate for life, and Walnut — thought to
have initially imprinted upon a human who hand-raised her as
chick— has fallen hard for the soft-spoken zookeeper who was
hired over a decade ago by the Smithsonian to care for her (and
other zoo birds). And, according to research, birds who fall in
love usually have more reproductive success.
>
> “We both came here the same year, 2004,” says Crowe. “She was
here a month before I was. I was assigned to be the primary
crane keeper, five out of every seven days … I would take care
of her every day, five days a week.” His prior work experience
with whooping cranes helped him get the position, but according
to Crowe, Walnut took a while to warm up to him.
>
> “She did not like me right away. She was fairly territorial
and [made] a lot of threat displays. She probably pecked at my
foot and leg a few times initially, but she was a lot more
approachable than all the other cranes,” explains Crowe. “All
the other ones would step back and be a little more wary,
whereas she would come right up to me. Over time — partly
because I took care of her, and partly because she had imprinted
on people in the past, she kind of just stuck with me and
gradually became more comfortable with me being around in her
pen and taking care of her.”
>
> Eventually, Walnut stopped acting territorial and quit
threatening Crowe, but he still couldn’t get too close to her —
maybe only within a few feet.
>
> “It took a while before I could train her to stand still and
let me do the artificial insemination technique,” says Crowe.
Yes, you read that right: the 42-year-old zookeeper has helped
to facilitate the birth of seven chicks with the 37-year-old
endangered bird.
> [...]
> “When she started warming up to me, she would do some of the
crane courtship [rituals] which involve running around with the
wings flapping, bobbing her head, jumping up and down, flapping
her wings, and picking up crumbs or grass or flowers and tossing
them in the air and catching them,” recalls Crowe. “When I
recognized what she was doing, I did my best to imitate it. If I
saw her bobbing her head, I started bobbing my head. If she was
flapping her wings at me, I’d flap my arms as if they were
wings. I’m sure I wasn’t doing it right for her, but she
compromised, or put up with it, and it seemed to help us bond.”
>
> After this courtship phase, Crowe eventually moved on to his
artificial insemination efforts, which have helped to increase
the endangered crane population.
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HTML https://people.com/pets/walnut-crane-zookeeper-chris-crowe-mate-for-life-smithsonian-zoo/
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 30, 2021, 11:00 pm
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HTML https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22796160/invasive-species-climate-change-range-shifting
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> t’s time to stop demonizing “invasive” species
>
> Climate change is forcing some animals to move. Don’t call
them “invasives.”
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I too had been criticizing the uniquely Western concept of
"invasive species" earlier:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg7287/#msg7287
Continuing:
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> Ecologists expect climate change to create mass alterations in
the habitats of these “range-shifting” or “climate-tracking”
species, as they’re sometimes called, which will reshuffle
ecosystems in ways that are hard to predict. The migrations are
critical to species’ ability to survive hotter temperatures.
> ...
> “Invasive species” is a concept so ingrained in American
consciousness that it’s taken on a life of its own, coloring the
way we judge the health of ecosystems and neatly dividing life
on Earth into native and invasive.
> ...
> For decades, invasion has been a defining paradigm in
environmental policy, determining what gets done with limited
conservation budgets. Species deemed invasive have often been
killed in gruesome ways. Even though invasion biologists readily
point out that many non-native species never become problematic,
the invasion concept almost by definition makes scientists
skeptical of species moving around.
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Examples of those gruesome ways are available in this topic.
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> Detractors said that merely linking climate-tracking species
with invaders taints them by association. Range-shifters ought
to be seen “not as invasive species to keep out, but rather as
the refugees of climate change that need our assistance,”
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This. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/
No one here ever said climate refugees are limited to humans
only.
So, most importantly. which civilization was it which came up
with the stupid concept of "invasive species"?
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> The origins of “invasive” species
>
> “Invasive species” might feel like a firmly established
scientific category, but invasion biology, which studies the
impacts of non-native species, is a relatively young field.
>
> British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native
species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and
Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every
species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those
that move, he believed, should be removed.
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Yep, the same one as usual.
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> Common starlings, for example, a species of bird native to
Europe and parts of Asia and Africa, have become wildly
successful as an introduced species in North America. They’re
blamed for hundreds of millions of dollars in agricultural
damage annually in the US, often eating grains in cattle
feedlots, says Natalie Hofmeister, a PhD candidate in ecology
and environmental biology at Cornell University. “That’s like a
treasure for the starlings,” she says. The USDA Wildlife
Services poisoned 790,000 of the birds in fiscal year 2020.
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How about ending the breeding of cows for human consumption
instead? Then there would have been no problem in the first
place!
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> The invasion model has a nativist bias
>
> Some conceptions of invasive species’ harms are questionable.
>
> For example, invasives can be considered a threat not only by
killing or outcompeting native species but also by mating with
them. To protect the “genetic integrity” of species,
conservationists often go to extraordinary lengths to prevent
animals from hybridizing
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Sounds familiar.....
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> Historically, the term has erroneously expanded to the idea
of, “‘If you’re not from here, then you are most likely going to
be invasive,’” Sonia Shah, author of The Next Great Migration:
The Beauty and Terror of Life on the Move, said on a June 2021
episode of Unexplainable, Vox’s science-mysteries podcast.
Conservation policies have been crafted around the idea that if
something is not from “here” — however we define that — “then it
is likely to become invasive, and therefore we should repel it
even before it causes any actual damage,” as Shah says, which is
part of the nativist bent that pervades ecological management.
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This sounds familiar too.....
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> What’s more, the very notion of “invasion” draws on a war
metaphor, and media narratives about non-native species are
remarkably similar to those describing enemy armies or
immigrants. For example, a recent news story in the Guardian
about armadillos “besieging” North Carolina described them as
“pests” and “freakish.” It also gawked at the animal’s “booming
reproduction rate,” an allegation that, not coincidentally, is
leveled against human migrants.
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I knew it! How many times have we heard rightists calling
immigrants "invaders"?
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> Many scholars have explored how anxieties about humans and
nonhumans crossing borders, or going places where they don’t
“belong,” map onto one another. “The fear of immigration is
never isolated to humans,” writes science studies scholar Banu
Subramaniam in The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology. “It
includes nonhuman migrants in the form of unwanted germs,
insects, plants, and animals.”
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It is the same mentality.
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> One important set of interests isn’t considered in invasive
species management at all: those of the “invasives” themselves.
Arian Wallach, an ecologist at the University of Technology
Sydney who is well known for her criticism of invasion biology,
calls invasive species “nothing less and nothing more than a
curse word” used to demonize species and exclude them from moral
consideration. She first began to question invasion biology
after she moved for her PhD to Australia, which has some of the
most militant invasive species management programs in the world,
aimed at protecting the country’s own unique species.
>
> “I started seeing conservationists blowing up animals with
bombs, shooting them from helicopters, poisoning them, spreading
diseases through them,” she says. Australia has shot feral
goats, camels, deer, pigs, and other animals from the sky (a
method also used in the US), and the country kills many small
mammals with 1080, a poison that is widely regarded as causing
an extremely painful death. Invasion biology, Wallach believes,
is “a bad idea that’s had its run.”
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Western civilization as a whole is a bad idea that's had its
run. However it does not accept this. Therefore we have to kill
it.
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> Her work serves as a proof of concept for “compassionate
conservation,” a movement that opposes the mass killing of some
animals in an attempt to save others. A core tenet of this
framework is to value animals as individuals with their own
moral value, rather than just a member of a species.
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This is what I have been advocating from the beginning.
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> In a 2019 study, Wallach and a team of researchers pointed out
that non-native species are excluded from world conservation
goals. This creates situations where, for example, a species
like the hog deer, a small deer native to South Asia, is
endangered in its home range but hunted and treated as feral in
Australia.
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This is the kind of nonsense you end up with when you trust
Western civilization to provide the answers.
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> In Tierra del Fuego, at the tip of Chile and Argentina, a
particularly dramatic novel ecosystem is taking shape. In 1946,
beavers were introduced there in a futile attempt to create a
fur industry. Instead, the animals proliferated and munched down
the region’s Nothofagus — southern beech — forests, creating
dams and ponds. “They are these miraculous world builders,” says
Ogden, who wrote an essay imagining the beavers not as invaders,
but as a diaspora. (Beavers have also been a boon for ducks and
other marine species.) The invasive species paradigm, Ogden
adds, is devoid of nuance, history, and politics; she prefers a
concept that gives expression to the moral complexity of the
beavers’ presence in South America, as well as the fact that
they had no choice in being moved there.
> ...
> the idea of a diaspora opens up a way of thinking about what
we owe the beavers, as opposed to how to expel them.
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg9907/#msg9907
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> After 75 years in South America, don’t the animals have a
claim to living there? What right do we have to exterminate
them?
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We should exterminate Western colonialist bloodlines instead. If
anything in the world supremely deserves the descriptor
"invasive", it is Western civilization!
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: December 4, 2021, 5:07 am
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--- Quote ---
> British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native
species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and
Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every
species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those
that move, he believed, should be removed.
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Which is absurd, since the organism would be living in the same
niche (e.g. temperature range, wetness conditions, soil type,
etc.), just in a different geographic location from where it
first evolved!
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: December 4, 2021, 6:20 am
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This perfectly describes why Western conservationists don't want
animals to go extinct. They might be deprived of the pleasure of
seeing them. It's not good enough to have their bones, or
recreations in museums, or their preserved dwelling with visible
claw marks. Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals
for the sole purpose of satiating their own curiosity.
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> I get so mad when I read about the ice age mega fauna. I
missed seeing all of these really awesome animals by -this
much-, geologically speaking. I mean, humans saw these things,
and they weren't me.
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/qvmzi0/these_tunnels_were_dug_by_a_giant_ground_sloth/hkxnd7u/
Of course, even extinction won't save these species from
exploitation if technology gets advanced enough to clone them
and bring them back to life like Jurassic Park. Luckily for the
dinosaurs, I believe their DNA would be so degraded that this
would not work--but it could be used on the giant sloths.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 4, 2021, 10:52 pm
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"Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals for the sole
purpose of satiating their own curiosity."
This ties back into my earlier complaint about how YouTube is
full of Western pet owners (many of whom describe themselves as
"animal lovers") who put their pets (who of course never
consented to it) in all kinds of deliberately engineered weird
(and often stressful) situations just to see and record how the
pets react. And YouTube lets them make money from this, which
leads to them making more and more such videos, and more and
more pet owners joining the trend.
(They do this with human babies/toddlers also. And again YouTube
lets them make money from this.....)
I am tired of False Leftists presenting curiosity as a positive
trait. Indeed, False Leftists frequently claim that one reason
Trump is bad is because he "lacks curiosity". This is untrue, by
the way. Someone who genuinely lacks curiosity would not want to
try personally having sex with the same **** stars he watched in
**** films. Indeed, I would say that Trump's mentality here is
identical to that of conservationists who need to experience the
living, breathing animals. Both are Westerners, after all. And
does anyone dispute that Western civilization is the most
curious civilization?
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: December 16, 2021, 7:41 pm
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A close up video of in vitro fertilization (intracytoplasmic
sperm injection (ICSI) method), showing the violent lengths
Westerners will go through to spread their genes. The sperm and
the egg don't even want to join each other, yet Westerners will
forcibly stab the egg cell with a needle and inject the sperm
cell into it.
Truly, this is one of the highest expressions of Yahwehism ever
seen on this planet. When even the reproductive cells themselves
just don't want to reproduce, they are not allowed to peacefully
die, but are forced to create a new life.
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/reoq0w/a_person_being_conceived_ivf/
All that money and violence just to avoid adopting an
already-born child...
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Video of artificial salmon breeding (very gruesome):
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/rerwxt/artificial_breeding_of_salmon/
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 16, 2021, 8:27 pm
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Which civilization introduced IVF? Same one as usual:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_in_vitro_fertilisation
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> Prior to the development of IVF in humans, Walter Heape, a
physician and professor at the University of Cambridge, was
doing research on reproduction in animals. In 1891, Heape
reported the first successful embryo transfer in a
mammal.[1][better source needed]
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And our enemies were just praising Cambridge (and other Western
universities) here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9921/#msg9921
Continuing:
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> As early as 1934, Gregory Goodwin Pincus and Ernst Vincenz
Enzmann tried to perform IVF in rabbits. Although the pregnancy
was successful, it was later determined that the fertilisation
occurred in vivo (in the body).[2]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Goodwin_Pincus
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> Gregory Goodwin Pincus was born in Woodbine, New Jersey to
Jewish parents, who were immigrants from the Russian Empire.[2]
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 18, 2021, 8:45 pm
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HTML https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/gucci-louis-vuitton-skin-reptiles-alive-to-make-pricey-handbags-peta/
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> Louis Vuitton and Gucci are selling bags, belts and wallets
made from snakes and lizards that were cruelly killed — some
with their heads hacked off as they tried to scurry away —
according to an explosive new investigation.
>
> Some of the reptiles were bludgeoned repeatedly with a machete
— with workers cutting off their legs even as the lizards
floundered helplessly, according to hidden-camera video that
captured the practices and was shared with The Post.
>
> Other videos show snakes that were partially slit open, with
hoses stuck down their throats to inflate them with water —
apparently to make it easier to skin them alive, according to an
investigation by animal-rights group People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals, or PETA.
>
> “Because of their unique physiology, lizards do not die
instantaneously after being decapitated and their brains can
remain conscious and fully able to feel pain for over 30
minutes,” according to PETA.” The videos captured two instances
in which lizards’ heads continued to move after they’d been
hacked off from the rest of the body.
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Their behaviour matches their decor:
HTML https://eu.louisvuitton.com/images/is/image/lv/1/PP_VP_L/louis-vuitton-stores-fi-louis-vuitton-helsinki--StFi_Louis_Vuitton_HELSINKI_228_v2_DI3.jpg
HTML https://previews.123rf.com/images/piotrkt/piotrkt1712/piotrkt171222566/93827458-milan-italy-september-24-2017-gucci-store-in-milan-fashion-week-gucci-shopping.jpg
And which civilization introduced handbags in the first place?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5858/#msg5858
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 3, 2022, 8:20 pm
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