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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 18, 2021, 1:18 am
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       My statement applies whether or not lab grown meat is sentient.
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: rp Date: February 18, 2021, 1:22 am
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       I should have rephrased: do you believe there is any cruelty at
       all in consuming lab-grown meat? That was why I was confused
       about you using "less cruel" instead of "not cruel".
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 18, 2021, 2:16 am
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       Oh! I thought you were suggesting that it was just as cruel!
       I recommend assuming the worst. At the very least, sustainable
       production of lab grown meat would imply preservation of all the
       DNA of the species involved, which means they are not out of
       danger. Who knows what will happen in future if someone decides
       to do other things with the DNA?
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: rp Date: February 18, 2021, 2:30 am
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       I agree. Those who are willing to grow animal tissue will sooner
       or later grow the animal itself, so they can exploit it for
       their own selfish needs (e.g. cloning).
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: rp Date: February 18, 2021, 9:31 pm
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       [quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=21.msg4269#msg4269
       date=1613537802]
       I'm not going to post links because I don't want to give them
       extra clicks, but a type of YouTube video that I have found
       disgusting is when Western parents/pet owners do experiments on
       their offspring/pets to see how their pets will react to various
       stimuli (and record the reaction to upload to make money).
       [/quote]
       Another type of video that I find disgusting is predatory
       animals subduing and consuming prey species. This apparently
       excites Westerners who call these videos "super cool" and
       "nature in action".  I on the other hand find such videos
       sadistic and instinctively want to kill the predator.
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: rp Date: March 11, 2021, 10:26 am
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       At least Westerners haven't tried taking this "thought
       experiment":
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       And made it a real life experiment - yet...
       #Post#: 4790--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: guest5 Date: March 13, 2021, 12:34 pm
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       Climate change, capitalism and disease are threatening to strike
       a mortal blow to the world's rubber trees. Do we need to find
       alternative sources of rubber before it's too late?
       [quote]Natural rubber is a uniquely tough, flexible and highly
       waterproof material. It puts tyres on our vehicles, soles on our
       shoes, it makes seals for engines and refrigerators, insulates
       wires and other electrical components. It is used in condoms and
       clothing, sports balls and the humble elastic bands. Over the
       past year it has played a pivotal role in the pandemic in
       personal protective equipment worn by doctors and nurses around
       the world.
       In fact, rubber is deemed to be a commodity of such global
       importance that it is included on the EU's list of critical raw
       materials.
       Unfortunately, there are signs the world might be running out of
       natural rubber. Disease, climate change and plunging global
       prices have put the world's rubber supplies into jeopardy. It
       has led scientists to search for a solution before it's too
       late.[/quote]
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2021, 10:02 pm
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: rp Date: March 30, 2021, 2:35 am
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       Agent Smith on sustainability:
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       Ever wonder why they went out of their way to make Smith the bad
       guy (even going so far as to have an actor with a non-Aryan
       phenotype play him)? Because they knew red-pill junkies would
       take the story at face value, and Aryans would be too late to
       decipher the story's true meaning. Coupled with Agent Smith's
       motive of wanting to destroy "Zion", the parallels with today's
       world are simply too much to be a coincidence. Seriously, what
       do you think?
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       Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 19, 2021, 10:08 pm
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       [quote]a group of Italian public officials are being
       investigated after being caught tucking into a bacchanalian
       feast of protected songbirds.
       ...
       More than 60 birds were found by Carabinieri officers – around
       three tiny bodies for each diner.
       ...
       Eating diminutive songbirds may not appeal to many people but it
       is seen as a delicacy in some parts of Europe.
       Gourmets in France are notorious for their love of eating
       ortolan buntings, tiny birds which are captured alive, fed
       grain, drowned in a vat of Armagnac and then roasted whole.
       Diners drape their heads with linen napkins as they crunch their
       way through the birds’ bones.
       The napkin is to preserve the aroma of the roasted birds – and,
       it is said, to hide the diners’ shame from the eyes of
       God.[/quote]
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