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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 22, 2022, 9:20 pm
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How to be a Western conservationist:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/18-foot-215-pound-invasive-144934665.html
[quote]A Burmese python nearly 18 feet long and weighing 215
pounds has been caught in the Everglades, and it sets a weight
record for the troublesome invasive species in Florida,
according to The Conservancy of Southwest Florida.[/quote]
Western conservationists are the actual invasive species.
[quote]The non-profit conservancy announced the find June 22,
and reports the female also carried a record number of eggs: 122
were developing in her abdomen.
...
Conservancy officials say the massive 215-pound snake was
discovered using a program that captures male pythons, fits them
with radio transmitters, and tracks their movements. These
“scout snakes” then lead researchers to “large reproductive
females” and their nests.
...
“The removal of female pythons plays a critical role in
disrupting the breeding cycle of these apex predators that are
wreaking havoc on the Everglades ecosystem and taking food
sources from other native species,” Bartoszek said. “This is the
wildlife issue of our time for southern Florida.”[/quote]
The very fact that the pythons are easily caught by the Western
conservationists shows it is the Western conservationists who
are the actual apex predators.
[quote]The conservancy python program dates to 2013 and is
credited with removing 1,000 pythons from 100 square miles of
southwest Florida. Collectively, those pythons weighed more than
26,000 pounds, the conservancy says.
National Park Service officials report the first removal of a
python in the Everglades came in 1979. It is believed the snakes
were introduced through the exotic pet trade, either when the
pets escaped or were freed by owners.
As the environmental threat has grown, Florida has established a
program allowing for pythons can be “humanely killed,” FWC
says.[/quote]
Western conservationists deserve to be inhumanely killed. They
also look like what we would expect:
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: Zea_mays Date: July 19, 2022, 8:17 am
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Without Western trends in "art" this never would have happened:
[quote]Since the end of last month, 15 goldfish had been slowly
dying at the Jeonnam Museum of Art in Gwangyang, South Korea,
trapped inside an installation by the artist Yu Buk. On Tuesday,
in response to accusations of animal cruelty, the animals were
removed from the piece—after one-third of them had already died.
The sculpture, titled Fish, featured 15 intravenous solution
bags hanging from the gallery ceiling, each filled with water
and a single, doomed, fish swimming inside. Concerned visitors
began asking how the goldfish were being fed, and when they
learned they were not, they complained.
Local animal rights groups also began speaking out against the
piece, which prompted the museum to save the surviving
goldfish—to the artist’s displeasure.
“The slow deaths of the goldfish were meant to be a part of my
piece. Now that the fish are gone, it lost its meaning as a work
of art,” Yu told the Korea Times. “While this may cause
discomfort to general audiences, the artist thinks and expresses
differently from members of the public.”
This is hardly the first time the artist has incorporated animal
mortality into his work. The bulk of Yu’s practice seems to
involve luring flies and other insects to their death using
glowing light and adhesive applied to acrylic or glass boxes.
[...]
“My work consist of the death of bugs,” the artist wrote on
OpenSea. “In a sense, I’m a bug hunter. When applying some
luring liquid on the surface of photos or a wall and lighting up
at night. Winged insects gather from the surroundings and are
adhered to make an image.”[/quote]
HTML https://news.artnet.com/art-world/goldfish-trapped-yu-buk-2147663
Previously:
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 26, 2022, 6:15 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-300-deer-killed-wisconsin-152419492.html
[quote]GILMAN, Wis. – The largest depopulation of a deer
[s]farm[/s] in Wisconsin history is scheduled to take place this
month, according to the state's Department of Agriculture, Trade
and Consumer Protection.
The action was ordered by DATCP after chronic wasting disease,
also known as "zombie deer disease," was discovered at the
facility, Maple Hill [s]Farms[/s] near Gilman in Taylor County,
in August 2021.
Wrangling about details of the depopulation, including whether
some bucks could be sold and transferred to a CWD-positive
shooting preserve, the source of indemnity and method used to
kill the animals, has delayed the process until this summer.
...
The disease has not been found to cause illness in livestock or
humans. However, health officials do not recommend humans
consume meat from a CWD-positive animal.[/quote]
In other words, it is not a disease! It's just an infection that
makes deer unsafe for humans to eat. But instead of simply
ceasing to eat the deer, Westerners instead will make
deer-eating sustainable by killing all suspected carriers in
order to prevent them from transmitting it to other deer and
making them inedible also.
[quote]The disease was found at eight Wisconsin captive deer
facilities in 2021 alone, according to DATCP reports. Two more
were added this year.
The disease also has continued to spread, slowly but
unrelentingly, among Wisconsin's wild deer.
Regulations, enforcement and technology are failing to prevent
the spread of CWD in both the deer [s]farming[/s] industry and
the wild deer herd.[/quote]
But when it comes to COVID, which is a disease, even
mask-wearing to prevent transmissions is too much to ask (never
mind lockdowns).....
Speaking of mask-wearing, don't forget:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg14124/#msg14124
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 4, 2022, 4:29 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/race-save-fish-rio-grande-113108156.html
[quote]For the first time in four decades, America's
fifth-longest river went dry in Albuquerque last week. Habitat
for the endangered Rio Grande silvery minnow — a shimmery,
pinky-sized native fish — went with it.
...
Scientists, water managers and environmental groups have worked
to keep the fish alive — as required by the Endangered Species
Act[/quote]
No, you haven't; you have been working to keep the species alive
by tormenting far more individuals than would if you simply let
the species go extinct! Observe:
[quote]When parts of the river dry out, officials use hand nets
and seines to pull fish from warm puddles and relocate them to
still-flowing sections of the river. The minnow's survival rate
after being rescued is slim — just over 5% — due to the stress
of warm, stagnant water and being forcibly relocated.
...
Only a handful of the 400 rescued fish would survive, with their
best chance swimming through treated sewage.[/quote]
Worse, many of these individuals are ones who would have never
even been born in the first place if not for Western
conservationists forcing them to be born:
[quote]Over the years, the government has bred and released
large numbers of silvery minnows[/quote]
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 6, 2022, 9:02 pm
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How to be a Western scientist contd.:
HTML https://sports.yahoo.com/massive-flying-carp-frenzy-triggered-161712408.html
[quote]Massive flying carp frenzy triggered by researchers
The U.S Fish and Wildlife Service on Friday shared a showing
silver carp leaping en masse during a scientific electrofishing
operation.
The Facebook description begins, “Oh carp, we’re going to need a
bigger boat!”
The agency explained that silver carp can leap as high as 10
feet when startled by a boat’s motor or, in this case, an
electric current used during population assessment studies.
The electrofishing survey was conducted on the Fox River in
Illinois.
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Previous coverage:
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 7, 2022, 5:58 pm
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How Westerners think:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/woolly-mammoth-really-brought-back-050000622.html
[quote]when Novak was around 14 or 15 years old, he looked at
the little plaque, which said the bighorn sheep had become
extinct in the area and been reintroduced, as had the bison and
elk. That realisation, Novak says, helped spur him to devote his
life to recreating extinct species – chiefly the passenger
pigeon, which was once so numerous in the eastern US that its
flocks were said to block out the sun, but which died out in
captivity in 1914.
‘People lived with those birds, people got to see those birds,
and then people in history robbed me from getting to have the
same incredible experience,’ says Novak, now 35, who lives in
North Carolina with his young twins. ‘When one of the things
that thrills a person is going out and seeing wildlife, it’s
impossible not to feel like you’ve been personally robbed by the
extinctions of the past few decades.’[/quote]
If species that existed in the past do not exist now, Westerners
feel robbed. I did not make this up. You just read those exact
words in the above paragraph! In other words, Westerners view
everything that has ever existed as their personal property.
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
Therefore, for the sake of being able to enjoy the same
"thrills" as supposedly enjoyed by others in the past:
[quote]Today Novak is part of a growing movement trying to bring
about the ‘de-extinction’ of lost species through genetic
engineering.
...
he is working to edit existing pigeon genes and devise ways of
inserting new DNA into a growing embryo – never before done for
birds.
...
But there are others who dream even bigger. Across the country,
in Texas, Colossal Biosciences, a for-profit start-up, is trying
to bring back the woolly mammoth. It has promised to produce a
genetically modified Asian elephant that is as close as possible
to its hairy forebear within the next six years.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg13336/#msg13336
By the way:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak
[quote]It is the most common surname in the Czech
Republic,[3][4] Poland,[5] and Slovenia,[6] and the sixth most
common in Croatia. It is also found in Romania and Moldova, in
the Novac form, and among Ashkenazi Jews in various forms
depending on their country of origin.[7][/quote]
Continuing:
[quote]‘Extinction is a colossal problem facing the world, and
Colossal is the company that’s going to fix it,’ the firm’s
website promises.[/quote]
Why is it a problem?! It is only a problem to Westerners seeking
"thrills"! Instead of bringing back extinct species to please
them, a better solution would be to make those with such a
disgusting attitude go extinct too!
[quote]Meanwhile, in Australia, the University of Melbourne has
just set up a laboratory dedicated to replicating the thylacine,
or Tasmanian tiger, thanks to a AUD 5 million (£2.8 million)
donation in March from Aussie cryptocurrency entrepreneur
Russell Wilson.
...
‘If anyone can achieve de-extinction, it will be monumental,’
says Pask. ‘It will change the way we view extinction, change
the way we view animal conservation.’[/quote]
No, it won't, it will only reinforce your views. What will
change the way we view extinction is by calling out the Western
view as uniquely depraved, and fundamentally Yahwist:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
Continuing:
[quote]Back in 2000, in a tiny room in the Oxford University
Museum of Natural History, Beth Shapiro carefully drilled into a
dodo’s leg bone. It had taken some convincing for her manager to
let this young American PhD student at the irreplaceable sample.
‘I had drilled into many bones, but none of them were that
precious,’ recalls Shapiro. ‘We’re both sitting there feeling
very nervous. But I knew that I had tried everything else. This
was going to be my only shot at getting [dodo] DNA.’
...
Today Shapiro is a professor at the University of California
Santa Cruz (UCSC), a board member for Revive & Restore, and an
advisor to Colossal, helping it identify which genes make the
difference between a modern elephant and a mammoth. She recently
sequenced a whole dodo genome from a sample in Denmark and even
wrote a book called How To Clone a Mammoth, her ‘long-form
answer’ to endless questions from journalists. Ben Novak, who
studied with her at UCSC, describes her as the mother of
defining de-extinction.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro
[quote]Shapiro, and its variations such as Shapira, Schapiro,
Schapira, Sapir, Sapira, Spira, Sapiro, Spiro/Spyro (in Greek),
Szapiro/Szpiro (in Polish) and Chapiro (in French), is a Jewish
Ashkenazi surname.[/quote]
Continuing:
[quote]Why not instead – as many arguing against these
technologies suggest – focus on conserving existing endangered
animals?[/quote]
This criticism is still based on Western thinking. Here is a
better approach: why not see no problem with species extinction
at all, and instead start seeing a problem with initiating
violence against individuals instead? (We already know why not:
because Westerners need their "thrills".)
[quote]In Melbourne’s new hi-tech lab, mischievously named the
Thylacine Integrated Research and Restoration Lab (or TIGRR),
six postdoctoral students and two permanent staffers are
cultivating a living population of marsupial stem cells,
analysing their RNA and putting them in different conditions to
test whether they could one day be used to produce thylacine
proxy embryos. They rent time on powerful supercomputers to
probe the genetic differences between thylacines and other
marsupials, learning which DNA edits could best bridge the gap
between them.
Much of that work is based on four surprisingly well-preserved
DNA samples from three baby thylacines that had lain for years
in a Melbourne museum archive, found in the pouch of a female
who was shot around a century ago and preserved in ethanol
rather than formaldehyde (which breaks up DNA).
Having sampled the babies in 2000, Andrew Pask was later able to
reproduce a few thylacine genes and insert them into a
developing mouse zygote, the first time extinct DNA has been
‘resurrected’ in a living animal. TIGRR’s new thylacine
sequence, Pask says, is ‘the best genome at the moment for any
extinct species’.
For advocates of de-extinction, this isn’t a distraction from
conservation; it is conservation. Today, DNA from more than
1,200 endangered species and subspecies has been archived in San
Diego’s Frozen Zoo, one of many such ‘biobanks’ around the
world.[/quote]
One day we must destroy all that archived DNA.
[quote]He sees de-extinction as a continuation of existing
conservation methods: we often breed endangered species in
captivity to replenish wild populations, sometimes interbreeding
them with other subspecies or training them with survival
skills.[/quote]
I agree, and hence oppose both.
[quote]Colossal’s Ben Lamm and George Church believe they can
identify which genes distinguish mammoths from modern elephants
and then edit those traits – such as extra insulating fat and
long hair – into Asian elephant DNA, which they say is about
99.6 per cent identical (compared to 98.6 per cent for humans
and chimpanzees).
The hybrid creatures could then be implanted into living Asian
elephant surrogate mothers, or potentially grown within an
artificial womb; raised among elephants, the new mammoths would
be first reintroduced at Pleistocene Park, a nature reserve in
Siberia aiming to recreate the Ice Age’s ‘mammoth steppe’.
...
Ultimately, Church and Lamm see surrogacy as a stopgap solution:
beyond the moral risks, there are simply too few Asian elephants
to ‘scale up’ to mass mammoth production. Instead, the company
plans to develop forms of artificial gestation, such as an
artificial womb or a womb-mimicking plastic bag for deliberate
premature births (as has already been tested on lambs).[/quote]
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Continuing:
[quote]In 2015, Game of Thrones author George RR Martin gave
$10,000 to Revive & Restore after hearing Novak give a TEDx
talk. In those days, that was big money for de-extinction; now
Colossal has changed everything. Novak is glad for the influx,
which has already sparked more donor interest in non-profits
such as Revive & Restore.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._R._Martin
[quote]he is approximately a quarter Ashkenazi
Jewish.[13][/quote]
Every single time.....
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Hardly surprising, considering:
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 11, 2022, 8:40 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-seen-dousing-distressed-carriage-152554603.html
[quote]The crowd grew on Ninth Ave. and 45th Street in the
Hell's Kitchen neighborhood of Manhattan after the horse
collapsed and the driver of the carriage was seen whipping the
animal with reins in an attempt to get it to stand back up.
“Get up! Get up! Get up! C’mon, get up,” the driver begged the
horse, to the dismay of onlookers.
Kelvin Gonzalez told NBC New York that he watched the scene in
horror.
“He started whipping and saying ‘Get up, get up. Like bro, don’t
whip your horse, he obviously needs some water he, looked
dehydrated,” Gonzalez said.
...
Carriage horses have caused contentious debate in New York for
years. Former Mayor Bill de Blasio vowed that one of his first
acts in office would be to ban horse-drawn carriages. He was
unsuccessful, but was able to sign the carriage horse relief
bill into law, which makes it illegal for the horses to work in
temperatures 90 degrees or hotter. Wednesday's high temperature
was 87 degrees.[/quote]
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg396/#msg396
It goes without saying that carriages did not exist in America
prior to the colonial era.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 22, 2022, 4:38 pm
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What Western scientists are paid to do:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-hell-bent-resurrecting-tasmanian-181500024.html
[quote]Scientists Are Hell-Bent on Resurrecting the Tasmanian
Tiger. Here’s Their Complicated Plan
De-extinction efforts focus on reviving extinct species or
crafting new organisms that resemble said species—in this case,
the thylacine, or Tasmanian tiger.
Colossal Biosciences in Dallas, Texas hopes to bring back
the Tasmanian tiger with help from Australian scientists.
The plan? Finish genome sequencing before gene editing and
engineering to birth a new thylacine.
...
Ultimately, this will lead to inserting thylacine genes into the
genome of a dasyurid and stimulating embryonic growth until it
is ready for a surrogate and eventual birth. The current plan
calls for taking stem cells from the living dasyurid, or
dunnart—a marsupial relative that bears basically no resemblance
to the thylacine (think: mouse-like dunnart vs. wolf-like
Tasmanian tiger)—and then editing genes to get as close to a new
thylacine as possible.[/quote]
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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: bondburger Date: August 24, 2022, 6:34 pm
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Excellent 2010 video from The Onion mocking the needless cruelty
and pointlessness of Western animal testing.
HTML https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k
Reminds me very much of the experiments in "Learned
Helplessness"
(
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness#Early_experiments)<br
/>in which animals were subjected to repeated painful stimuli wi
th
no ways of making it stop until they lost hope and were
conditioned to just accept the pain. I first heard of these
experiments a few years ago from Kaczynski's writings, in which
he claims the technological-society conditions humans similarly
in regards to psychological suffering. One thing that his
mostly-rightist followers never comment on though is the cruelty
of the experiment itself. Nobody remotely empathetic needs the
results and implications of the experiments to be disgusted by
technological progress, the fact that such experiments can be
conducted at all is disgusting enough.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: rp Date: August 25, 2022, 8:40 pm
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