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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 14, 2022, 11:13 pm
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HTML https://theintercept.com/2022/04/14/killing-chickens-bird-flu-vsd/
[quote]A hen, hooked up to electrodes, stands alone in a glass
cage. She starts panting, thrashing, slumping over, and lunging
at the enclosure’s walls, appearing to look for an escape.
Outside the cage, researchers point, take notes, and watch her
die.[/quote]
These researchers are called Western scientists. Western
scientists are among the most highly respected members of
Western civilization and considered most essential to long-term
Western progress. In fact, many Westerners today are worried
that the present-day education system is producing an
insufficient number of new Western scientists.
[quote]These scenes, which took place at North Carolina State
University, were documented in 10 hours of video footage
recently obtained via public records requests by the
organization Animal Outlook and shared with The Intercept. The
experiments were funded by the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association,
a major industry trade group, and took place in the wake of the
2015 outbreak of an aggressive bird flu that resulted in the
culling of about 50 million farmed birds — not all of them
necessarily infected — across the United States. The researchers
were testing what was then a relatively new set of disease
control methods: known as “ventilation shutdown,” the process
kills the animals through heatstroke and suffocation, similar to
dying in a hot car. According to Will Lowrey, the Animal Outlook
attorney who obtained the videos, “the suffering is extremely
profound.”
In 2020, Iowa Select Farms, the state’s largest pork producer,
killed healthy pigs, who could not be slaughtered for food due
to Covid-induced slaughterhouse closures, by sealing off the
airways and pumping in heat: a practice called “ventilation
shutdown plus.” In a groundbreaking undercover investigation
covered by The Intercept, the animal rights group Direct Action
Everywhere revealed pigs screaming in distress for hours as
they, essentially, roasted to death. Soon after, Iowa Select
announced that it was discontinuing its use of the method,
commonly abbreviated as VSD+. New documents obtained through
federal and state public records requests reveal that, far from
being an aberration, the meat industry’s use of this gruesome
method is still on the rise — and it’s being abetted by
government and organized veterinary medicine.
Now, another strain of highly pathogenic avian influenza, or
HPAI, is tearing through the country. More than 27 million
chickens, turkeys, and other birds have been killed or scheduled
to be killed — or “depopulated,” in meat industry jargon — since
February. Many of these animals were killed with ventilation
shutdown plus. In Iowa, the nation’s top egg-producing state,
5.3 million hens at a Rembrandt Enterprises egg factory farm
were exterminated with VSD+ last month, the Storm Lake Times
reported.
...
Ventilation shutdown plus was also used in February at two
chicken and turkey facilities in Kentucky, according to records
from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant
Health Inspection Service, or APHIS, which oversees management
of farm animal disease outbreaks. In Minnesota, more than 1.7
million birds, mostly turkeys, have been or will soon be
depopulated since the state’s first avian flu case on March 25,
with an increasing number killed using VSD+ compared to the 2015
bird flu, according to state veterinarian Beth Thompson. In
public records first released to Lowrey, requests to use the
method have also appeared in Wisconsin and Missouri. The USDA
financially compensates meat producers for these killings.
The videos obtained from NC State are remarkable because the
meat industry often claims that undercover footage of cruel
conditions taken by activists is doctored or staged. But these
videos came directly from an industry-funded study, the raw
footage of which was shared with The Intercept.
The research tested multiple versions of VSD: ventilation
shutdown alone, which entails sealing off airflow to the birds’
cages, causing their body temperatures to rise to lethal levels;
ventilation shutdown with additional heat, which speeds the
process of killing them via heatstroke; and ventilation shutdown
with carbon dioxide, which deprives the chickens’ bodies of
oxygen. VSD with the addition of either or both of these is
referred to as “VSD+.”
The hens took more than 91 minutes to die from ventilation
shutdown alone, 54 minutes to die from VSD with supplemental
heat, and 11.5 minutes to die from VSD with carbon dioxide,
according to a 2017 final report based on the research that was
submitted to the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association. According to
a separate study published the following year by some of the
same researchers, time to death is significantly longer for hens
in a large, multilevel cage setting, which more closely
resembles factory farm conditions than individual cages: 3.75
hours for VSD alone, 2 hours for VSD plus heat, and 1.5 hours
for VSD plus carbon dioxide.[/quote]
The Western defence:
[quote]In some news reports on the current avian flu, sources
have said that exterminating birds is more humane than letting
them die of the disease. And HPAI is undoubtedly a terrible
illness. “Many birds die suddenly, with mortality rates as high
as 100% within a few days, though it can also take weeks. The
dying birds likely suffer enormously as they struggle to
breathe, develop diarrhea, and become paralyzed or otherwise
neurologically compromised,” Gwendolen Reyes-Illg, a veterinary
adviser to the Animal Welfare Institute, told The Intercept in
an email.[/quote]
How about not breeding the birds in the first place? But anyway:
[quote]In the global scientific community, she said, “it’s
generally accepted that, if one could assume that a procedure
would cause pain or distress to a human, you can also assume it
would do the same for an animal.”[/quote]
So Western scientists officially know they are causing terrible
pain to animals. They just don't care. Especially not when there
is Western science to be done:
[quote]Birds used in [s]agricultural[/s] research get no
protection under federal welfare laws. “The Animal Welfare Act,
in the very definition of animals, excludes a number of types of
animals used in laboratory experiments. These animals include
rats, mice, and birds bred for research, as well as
[s]agricultural[/s] animals used for [s]agricultural[/s]
research,” said Jeremy Beckham, research advocacy coordinator
for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. The
[s]agricultural[/s] exemption, he added, is “specifically
[because] there are things done commonly to animals in an
[s]agricultural[/s] context that would be violations of the law
if they were done to other research animals.”[/quote]
(On the other hand, they seem to genuinely not know the correct
meaning of "agriculture".)
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 16, 2022, 9:07 pm
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Westerners just cannot stop themselves:
HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/11/clone-pets-cat-science/
[quote]When the beloved 5-year-old cat died in 2017, there was
nothing her owner, Kelly Anderson, could do — or so she thought.
Chai’s body had not yet turned cold when Anderson remembered a
conversation with her roommate about the Texas-based ViaGen
Pets, one of just a few companies worldwide that clones pets.
The next morning, she called them.
Some $25,000 and five years later, Anderson — a 32-year-old dog
trainer from Austin — has a 6-month-old carbon copy of Chai
curled up in her lap.
...
More than 25 years after the controversial Dolly the sheep case,
Anderson is part of a growing group of people paying a small
fortune to clone their pets. But while scientific advancement
has allowed the practice to become more commercial, the
procedure itself raises ethical dilemmas, experts say.
...
The problem is that cloning does not have a 100 percent success
rate. Not all pregnancies will be fruitful, and not all embryos
will be viable, which means several surrogate and egg donor
animals may be used in the process.
...
“People think, ‘Oh, I’ll just press a button and out will come
Fido,’ but that’s just not the case,” said Robert Klitzman,
director of the masters of bioethics program at Columbia
University. “So you may love Fido, but do you really want
several animals to die and suffer in order to have the one
healthy Fido?”[/quote]
Westerner on the appeal of sustainability:
[quote]“I’ve always told people that I cloned not because I
wanted to bring my cat back to life, but because I wanted to
carry on a piece of her, and I think it’s definitely really
comforting to have that in Belle,” Anderson said. “Even though
they’re different cats, there’s still a piece of Chai in her. So
it’s comforting in a way that I don’t really know how to
explain.”[/quote]
I know how to explain it: you are a Westerner.
[quote]That same love has prompted others, including singer
Barbra Streisand, to clone their pets.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand
[quote]Streisand's family was Jewish.[20][21][22] Her paternal
grandparents emigrated from Galicia (Poland–Ukraine) and her
maternal grandparents from the Russian Empire, where her
grandfather had been a cantor.[23][24]
...
Streisand began her education at the Jewish Orthodox Yeshiva of
Brooklyn when she was five.[33]
...
In June 2013, she helped celebrate the 90th birthday of Shimon
Peres held at Jerusalem's international convention center.[149]
She also performed at two other concerts in Tel Aviv that same
week, part of her first concert tour of Israel.[150]
...
In 1984, Streisand donated the Emanuel Streisand Building for
Jewish Studies to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
...
In December 2011, she appeared at a fundraising gala for Israel
Defense Forces charities.[165][/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: Blue Kumul Date: April 19, 2022, 4:54 am
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Of course, without "western civilization" (correctly called
modernism) there would be no hippopotamus in Colombia and
probably Colombians would be unaware that such an animal exists,
or at best treat it as a mythical creature. Invasive species is
not a modernist concept, on the contrary modernists are the
greatest invaders of all.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: rp Date: April 22, 2022, 10:04 pm
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HTML https://youtu.be/LLJhUVkgcvQ
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 9, 2022, 12:04 am
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Westerners trying to prevent species extinction again:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/only-10-vaquita-porpoises-remain-024904914.html
[quote]The number of vaquita, a tiny, silver porpoise that lives
exclusively in Mexico's Gulf of California, is down to 10
remaining in the wild.
But the world's smallest and most endangered marine mammal may
be able to keep its numbers up, even with inbreeding,
researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles,
determined in a study published in Science.
...
"[The vaquita porpoise] represents a unique evolutionary lineage
— there is no similar species anywhere in the world — and its
loss would rob the ecosystem of an important predator adapted to
this unique ecosystem," said senior co-author Robert Wayne.
[/quote]
What would the prey prefer? But Westerners think preserving
species is more important than sparing innocent victims.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: Zea_mays Date: May 14, 2022, 1:31 pm
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From 2003:
[quote]Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'
An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish
through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a
Danish court has ruled.
The goldfish were placed on display swimming in the blenders,
and visitors were told they could press the "on" button if they
wanted.
At least one visitor did, killing two goldfish.
Peter Meyer, director of the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, 200
kilometres (125 miles) west of Copenhagen, was fined for cruelty
to animals after complaints from campaign group Friends of
Animals.
But a court in Denmark has now ruled that the fish were not
treated cruelly, as they had not faced prolonged suffering.
The fish were killed "instantly" and "humanely", said Judge
Preben Bagger.
Mr Meyer will not now have to pay the fine of 2,000 kroner (269
euros) originally imposed by Danish police.
The case only went to court because he refused to pay the police
fine. He told the court that artistic freedom was at stake.
"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create
works which defy our concept of what is right and what is
wrong," he told the court in Kolding.
[...]
The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco
Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of
right and wrong.
Mr Evaristti said at the time he wanted to force people to "do
battle with their conscience".
The idea, he said, was to "place people before a dilemma: to
choose between life and death."
"It was a protest against what is going on in the world, against
this cynicism, this brutality that impregnates the world in
which we live," he said. [/quote]
HTML http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm
Combatting the world's brutality by encouraging and perpetuating
to it, good job.
I actually wasn't expecting this:
[quote]Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti
found out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for
the philosophical and religious themes in his work.[2]
[...]
On January 27, 2010, Evaristti exhibited his artwork "Rolexgate"
which is a model of the entrance gate to the Auschwitz-Birkenau
concentration camp. 80% of the model is made up of gold which
comes from the teeth of Jews who died in the concentration
camps. The model had been briefly exhibited in Berlin, but was
removed because of the audience reaction.[7] [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: Zea_mays Date: May 14, 2022, 2:03 pm
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Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the
Demiurge.
[quote]Firm raises $15m to bring back woolly mammoth from
extinction
Scientists set initial sights on creating elephant-mammoth
hybrid, with first calves expected in six years
[...]
The boost comes in the form of $15m (£11m) raised by the
bioscience and genetics company Colossal, co-founded by Ben
Lamm, a tech and software entrepreneur, and George Church, a
professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School who has
pioneered new approaches to gene editing.
The scientists have set their initial sights on creating an
elephant-mammoth hybrid by making embryos in the laboratory that
carry mammoth DNA. The starting point for the project involves
taking skin cells from Asian elephants, which are threatened
with extinction, and reprogramming them into more versatile stem
cells that carry mammoth DNA.
[...]
The project is framed as an effort to help conserve Asian
elephants by equipping them with traits that allow them to
thrive in vast stretches of the Arctic known as the mammoth
steppe. But the scientists also believe introducing herds of
elephant-mammoth hybrids to the Arctic tundra may help restore
the degraded habitat and combat some of the impacts of the
climate crisis. For example, by knocking down trees, the beasts
might help to restore the former Arctic grasslands.
Not all scientists suspect that creating mammoth-like animals in
the lab is the most effective way to restore the tundra. “My
personal thinking is that the justifications given – the idea
that you could geoengineer the Arctic environment using a herd
of mammoths – isn’t plausible,” said Dr Victoria Herridge, an
evolutionary biologist at the Natural History Museum.[/quote]
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/13/firm-bring-back-woolly-mammoth-from-extinction
For a double dose of Western insanity, they think cloning
massive mammoth herds is a practical way to 'combat climate
change'...?
And for a triple dose, they want to patent its DNA.
[quote]Advances and success in cloning and genetic engineering
may mean passenger pigeons, dodos, gastric-brooding frogs,
thylacines, woolly mammoths, and other extinct species will once
again grace this planet. As de-extinction becomes a reality, it
is uncertain whether these animals are patent eligible. Diamond
v. Chakrabarty opened the door to cloning multicellular
organisms. Since then, the U.S. Patent Office’s Board of Patent
Appeals and Interferences has found “non-naturally occurring,
man-made organisms including animals” to be patentable subject
matter under 35 U.S.C. § 101.
[...]
The Supreme Court holds that sections of naturally occurring DNA
are not patent eligible, while non-naturally occurring synthetic
strands are. But the Court has not considered organisms created
from both naturally occurring and synthetic DNA, as would be the
case in de-extinction.[/quote]
HTML https://digitalcommons.law.uw.edu/wjlta/vol11/iss3/3/
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 14, 2022, 8:02 pm
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[quote]An art display which invited the public to put live
goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to
animals, a Danish court has ruled.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/
"Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the
Demiurge."
Extinction of the Demiurge's worshippers is what we need.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: rp Date: May 15, 2022, 2:50 pm
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[quote author=Zea_mays link=topic=21.msg13326#msg13326
date=1652553111]
From 2003:
[quote]Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'
[/Quote]
[/Quote]
From your link:
HTML http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm
[Quote]
The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco
Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of
right and wrong.
[/Quote]
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti#Early_life
[Quote]
Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti found
out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for the
philosophical and religious themes in his work.
[/Quote]
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 16, 2022, 9:12 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/ai-killing-machines-hoover-exterminate-142214574.html
[quote]Sting operation: Undersea killing machines to make
mincemeat of giant jellyfish
An underwater robot hunter has been built to seek out and
destroy soaring numbers of jellyfish.
Jellyfish are proliferating at a rapid rate in some parts of the
world, such as Japan, with sightings in British waters also
becoming more common.
Such vast numbers of the animals pose a risk to the fishing
industry because they get caught in nets, spoil catches and
endanger crew and vessels.
...
When jellyfish are identified, a large-mouthed hose will suck
the creature into the vehicle - where jets of highly pressurised
water and a turbine will shred the animal to pieces.[/quote]
We need something that can shred Westerners to pieces.
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