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Re: Statue decolonization
By: guest5 Date: October 12, 2020, 11:49 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2.msg1509#msg1509
date=1602563063]
Down it goes!
HTML https://twitter.com/NDpendentPDX/status/1315504850788990976
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkGh8FwXYAIyQS_?format=jpg&name=small[/img]
[/quote]
The rightist commentary and tears are an insightful and
interesting read. Thankfully, most of the commentators are
probably at home and on their computers while the "rioters" are
out and about. The comments about "destruction of property" are
pretty rich considering the legacy of western civilization.
I tend to try and keep in mind too though that these "rightists"
will probably go along to get along with any form of oppression
as long as it makes them feel safe.
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 14, 2020, 12:25 am
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Next one!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peIFaewZYG0
HTML https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/protesters-tear-down-plaza-obelisk/article_36f53abe-0cc8-11eb-91ac-4bf72f2f32dc.html
[quote]What began Saturday as a three-day “occupation” of the
Santa Fe Plaza by Native activists and their supporters
culminated on Indigenous Peoples Day with protesters toppling a
controversial war monument.
About 50 people used a rope and chains to bring the obelisk
down.
...
Erected in 1866, the Plaza centerpiece, sometimes called the
Soldiers Monument and constructed to honor to Civil War Union
soldiers, has spurred several demonstrations in Santa Fe this
year amid a nationwide call for racial justice.
Native activists and other protesters have long objected to a
plaque on one side that said the obelisk was dedicated, in part,
to “heroes” who died in battle with “savage Indians.”
The plaque has sustained damage. Decades ago, a man chiseled
away the word “savage,” and in late June, part of the plaque was
broken off during an act of vandalism.
Webber said just before a planned protest earlier in June that
the monument’s removal from the public park was “long overdue.”
Following a failed attempt by a state-contracted crew to take
down the structure overnight on the eve of the protest, however,
Webber had not moved forward to remove it.
Four months later, just before the holiday known as Indigenous
Peoples Day in Santa Fe, across New Mexico and in a growing
number of U.S. cities and states, Webber released a statement
continuing to call for a community conversation about the
obelisk’s future.
He said he did not believe he had the unilateral authority to
remove it.
After two days of peaceful protests, activists took the matter
into their own hands.
...
“It was a really emotional moment for me. For all that it
represents, this type of monument shouldn’t exist,” Cipriana
Jurado, 53, an Indigenous woman from Chihuahua, Mexico, said in
Spanish.
“There is so much to celebrate here and in Latin America that
existed before European culture,” she added.[/quote]
And more discussion on the wider issue:
HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/local-opinions/the-columbus-fountain-is-broken-so-is-his-story/2020/10/08/9c1a950e-080b-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html
[quote]As we approach Monday’s national observance honoring
Christopher Columbus, I am joined by many fellow Native and
non-Native Americans and Washington-area residents in
reconsidering Columbus’s actions against Indigenous populations
and indeed the justification for honoring and memorializing this
complicated and divisive historical figure.
We know the history of Christopher Columbus. He embarked on a
very consequential journey in 1492. He was not the first
European to visit present-day North America. In fact, he
discovered nothing. For Native peoples, his legacy is clear. He
murdered, tortured and enslaved the indigenous Taíno, Lucayan,
Arawak and Cigüayos. He introduced death and human suffering on
a scale unknown to these peoples. In a letter to his benefactor
King Ferdinand II of Spain, Columbus described his conquest: “I
found many islands inhabited by men without number, of all which
I took possession . . . no one objecting.” They did
object, and they did fight. Indigenous peoples continue to
fight, reclaim, resist, protest, create and, in many cases,
thrive.
Columbus’s early incursions across these lands began a
500-plus-year ascendancy of European Christians and their
descendants. It is a history of loss and trauma for many that
includes the attempted extermination of Native peoples, the
abduction and enslavement of African peoples, the continued
devaluing of Black life and the institutionalized racism and
bigotry that confront those who are Black, Indigenous or people
of color. Columbus should be considered the progenitor of white
supremacy. Let us remember him for that.
To be clear: Columbus is famous because he was a thief. He took
resources, lands, personal belongings and many lives. He
abducted human beings. He stole the futures of countless people.
That was his impact.
On the side of his fountain, not far from the depiction of
Columbus perched above a forlorn Native man, the memorial
inscription proclaims that he “gave mankind a new world.” Here,
mankind is exclusively White, Christian and European — it is
explicit on whose behalf his quest was made. The world he
discovered was not new. It was old and home to many families and
distinct cultural communities.[/quote]
Anyone who does not find all of the above utterly obvious does
not deserve to call themselves American.
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 22, 2020, 3:51 pm
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HTML https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/19/uk-city-change-statues-which-over-celebrated-empire-christianity-great-white-men/
[quote]“I was surprised there were so few people wanted any
change… only 10 per cent wanted some active change. I know
thousands did not [respond] but we had to take it that they were
happy with the status quo,” Lowe told the YEP, perhaps more
perturbed than she appeared to let on.
...
“It comes as no surprise, therefore, that when given the
courtesy of being asked, the vast majority of the British public
do not want monuments to be torn down or even altered slightly.
It is a tiny minority of metropolitan liberals who want to
project their bizarre and destructive world view on the rest of
us,” Harris-Quinney continued.[/quote]
Did I ever mention that democracy is the problem?
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 24, 2020, 12:02 am
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HTML https://www.al.com/news/2020/10/confederate-monument-in-huntsville-removed-overnight.html
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvDgaTDjGDg
I vastly prefer the removals where the statues are shattered on
the spot, though.
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 24, 2020, 11:53 pm
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Our enemies report our success:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/the-war-on-whites-and-white-heritage-has-arrived-in-chile
[quote]The war on white heritage is afoot across Latin America.
My father's homeland, Chile is no exception. The main target has
been Pedro de Valdivia, Chile's foremost "founding
conquistador." Every corner of Chile has something named for
him: a street, a bridge, a school, a plaza, etc. And there is no
shortage of statues, murals, and busts of him, either.
Here's a photo of a "Valdivia felling" in Concepción—the third
largest city in the country and the de facto capital of the
Chilean south.
HTML https://www.elciudadanoweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PEDRO-DE-VALDIVIA.jpg
...
The tweet reads:
#Valdivia / ONE OF LIFE'S PARADOXES: Marchers make off with
the bust of Pedro de Valdivia, taken from Pedro de Valdivia
Plaza, then threw the bust off of Pedro de Valdivia Bridge into
the Valdivia River, in the city of Valdivia.[/quote]
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 13, 2020, 1:31 pm
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HTML https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/11/us/fairfax-confederate-monuments-courthouse-trnd/index.html
[quote](CNN)A collection of Confederate monuments, markers and
weaponry that has long stood outside the courthouse in Fairfax
County, Virginia, is no longer on display.
Fairfax County Commissioner Jeff McKay confirmed the county has
removed and will relocate the items in a tweet earlier this
month.
In a follow-up tweet, McKay revealed their immediate fate: A
Virginia Department of Historic Resources marker will be
returned to the state, a John Quincy Marr monument will be given
to the Stuart Mosby Historical Society, and the Dahlgren
howitzers -- a type of gun used for firing shells -- will be
given to Manassas National Battlefield Park.
"We started today with a Fairfax County that better reflects our
values," McKay said.[/quote]
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 25, 2020, 3:48 am
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Another victory:
HTML https://www.coloradopolitics.com/legislature/sand-creek-massacre-statue-to-replace-toppled-civil-war-soldier-at-colorado-state-capitol/article_b92ea412-2b94-11eb-8f82-57954d09ec04.html
[quote]After years of back and forth, the statue of a grieving
American Indian mother will have a home in a prime location on
the west steps of the Colorado State Capitol.
...
The Sand Creek Massacre is one of the most controversial
chapters in Colorado’s history.
Two hundred and thirty Cheyenne and Arapahoe, mostly women,
elderly and children, were slaughtered on Nov. 29, 1864, when
volunteers from the First and Third Colorado Cavalry regiments
ambushed them at sun-up. The 700 Cheyenne and Arapaho who
gathered there had been promised a peaceful existence by the
government. After the attack, the Army soldiers burned the camp
and took trophies from the bodies, which they displayed in a
parade through Denver, where they were initially hailed as
conquerors.
...
“They were wiped out,” Otto Braided Hair, of the Northern
Cheyenne and a descendant of Sand Creek survivors, told the
committee. “Their voices are no longer heard. Their wishes and
concerns were no longer heard. Those are the people we speak
for.”[/quote]
NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.
[quote]The decision to replace a generic Civil War statue with
an acknowledgment of the massacre took just an hour and a half.
But for the tribes whose ancestors experienced Sand Creek, it’s
been 136 years.[/quote]
Hopefully it will not take another 136 years before Western
civilization dies. Because quite honestly we don't have that
long:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 2, 2020, 4:37 pm
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HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989297/Wales-identifies-200-statues-roads-buildings-links-slave-trade.html
[quote]More than 200 statues, streets and buildings in Wales
named after historic Britons have been identified as having
connections to the slave trade, according to a Welsh
government-ordered audit.
...
13 monuments, buildings, or street names commemorating
people who took part in the African slave trade.
56 monuments, buildings, or street names commemorating
people who owned or directly benefited from plantations or mines
worked by the enslaved.
120 monuments, buildings, or street names commemorating
people who opposed abolition of the slave trade or slavery.
20 monuments, buildings, or street names commemorating
people accused of crimes against black people, notably in
colonial Africa.
...
Francis Drake: Three streets named after him.
Thomas Picton: Four monuments, five buildings and 30 streets.
Lord Nelson: Seven monuments, six buildings and 18 streets.
King William IV: Five buildings and seven streets.
Winston Churchill: Two buildings and 13 streets.
Duke of Wellington: Two monuments, 14 buildings and 32 streets.
William Gladstone: Three monuments, five places, 26 streets.
Robert Peel: One street.
George Canning: One street.
Cecil Rhodes: One street.[/quote]
So when will they go down?
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 8, 2020, 1:53 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/virginia-military-institute-removing-confederate-132916649.html
[quote]LEXINGTON, Va. (AP) — The Virginia Military Institute
removed a prominent statue of Confederate Gen. Thomas
“Stonewall” Jackson on Monday, a project initiated this fall
after allegations of systemic racism roiled the public college.
...
The statue was given to VMI in 1912 by its sculptor, Sir Moses
Ezekiel, VMI’s first Jewish cadet and a veteran of the Battle of
New Market, VMI said in a news release.[/quote]
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 17, 2020, 10:38 pm
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HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/barbara-johns-lee-statue-capitol/2020/12/16/68d39534-3fcd-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html
[quote]RICHMOND — A statue of a Black teenage girl who dared
challenge segregation in Virginia schools could soon stand
beside George Washington in the U.S. Capitol.
Barbara Rose Johns, who as a 16-year-old in 1951 led a protest
of poor learning conditions for Black students in Farmville and
helped dismantle school segregation nationwide, has been chosen
by an advisory commission to replace Confederate Gen. Robert E.
Lee as one of two figures representing Virginia in the Capitol’s
Statuary Hall.[/quote]
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