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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2023, 2:58 pm
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"I know you would listen to Minamino and Kudo"
I listen to Minamino's Sukeban-Deka-related songs only:
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[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucxUktvGg_k[/quote]
whereas I listen to all of Kudo's early (2000 and before) solo
work:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAC3X-bipvQ
and am happy to recommend more here if you or others want me to.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17852/#msg17852
Minamino does not even come close to Kudo in terms of strictly
musical significance. The ones to meaningfully compare to Kudo
(the Purple Queen) are her predecessors Yamaguchi (the White
Queen), Matsuda (the Red Queen) and Nakamori (the Black Queen)
each of whom was at one time the top female singer:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOosQoScFfU
But considering total significance in pop culture as a whole,
Minamino easily catches up on account of Sukeban Deka II, which
is the definitive epic of Counterculture-era Japan:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg18991/#msg18991
compared to which Kudo's best drama:
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is decidedly minor in impact.
Overall, both are deservedly among the greatest icons of that
era.
"but would the quote mean you would listen to Nakayama and
Asaka?"
I listen to Asaka's Sukeban-Deka-related songs only, though her
own season (III) sucked (her best contribution to the franchise
was in Minamino's movie - I just watch that and her own movie
and pretend III never happened). In my opinion, she rode
Minamino's coattails to fame.
Nakayama I proudly avoid like the plague.
"Speaking of J-pop, what artists would you recommend from the
compilation mentioned here:"
I have already recommended them!
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: June 20, 2023, 9:37 pm
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"Minamino does not even come close to Kudo in terms of strictly
musical significance. The ones to meaningfully compare to Kudo
(the Purple Queen) are her predecessors Yamaguchi (the White
Queen), Matsuda (the Red Queen) and Nakamori (the Black Queen).
Of course Kudo remains my personal favourite among these."
I see. If there is one thing I can learn from that quote, it is
to judge individuals of a similar association and not to judge
different associations. Whereas Kudo shares a common result with
Minamino, Asaka and Nakayama (Four Divas), Kudo shares a common
cause with Yamaguchi, Matsuda and Nakamori (who were more
specifically singers), so comparing the difference between Kudo
and the former three is not as effective as comparing Kudo with
the latter three.
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2023, 10:19 pm
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Yamaguchi was most certainly not specifically a singer. Her Akai
series of dramas dominated the 70s:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_PhyXBHVhk
The heroine archetype that she established would go on to be
imitated for many years after her early retirement*. (Only
Minamino (to her credit) ignored it and thus belatedly brought
in the 80s archetype.) The way I would describe it is that it
took Kudo and Minamino combined to dethrone Yamaguchi, the
former displacing her musically and the latter dramatically.
This in itself is a tribute to Yamaguchi's outsized impact in
pop culture.
(* This was also Yamaguchi's wisest move, as it meant the world
would never have to watch her decline.)
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 15, 2023, 12:56 am
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Due to failure to get a dialogue going at an acceptable pace:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/questions-regarding-aryanism/msg20945/#msg20945
I will henceforth when no one is replying just be posting
whatever I am listening to myself at the time, thereby enabling
regular addition of new content. This will unfortunately also
mean minimal commentary, as it is hard to know what to say
without prompting. Nevertheless, feel free to interrupt at any
time with requests for elaboration from previous posts (no
matter how far back!) and I will be more than happy to digress
to go in-depth on particular artists for as long as there is
interest, or connect smoothly from one to another (rivalries,
collaborations, etc.) as the discussion may take us.
Let's start by building some momentum!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OALH0LA-Ns
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1jZA6WuH8
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa-dpIMdj8
And now let's dial the momentum back down a bit:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvv26IcZ2I8
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: July 15, 2023, 1:27 pm
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Here is my reply.
Those were sincere songs. I liked the third song, the last build
of momentum. One thing I see in the music you like is that they
were easy to follow along. You cannot get that with most of
today's electronic music. Even Counterculture electronic music
was that simple. This reminds me of a quote about northern and
southern climates:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/msg20860/#msg20860
[quote][quote]People in the north had to evolve not just the
intelligence to build shelter, make warm clothes, and invent
weapons for killing big game. They had to think ahead, and this
is one of the most important human traits.[/quote]
...
How much better would the world be with less thinking
ahead?[/quote]
From that logic, a good song requires less deadline-based
rehearsals. Deadlines reflects an artist's skill but limits
their imagination. I believe a true rehearsal should not have a
due date to complete by, but rather be a lifestyle. That way the
artist/performer can go by their own pace and will also feel
more prepared when a gig comes. Not only that but it will feel
less like work and more like a hobby (contrast with an
artist/performer who rehearses just for one gig).
What do you guys think? This topic does not have to be between
me and 90sRF. It could use other people too.
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 16, 2023, 6:28 pm
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"gig"
There is also a difference between recording and live
performance. These days it is expected that you have to do both,
but back then it was a viable path for some musicians to be
literal recording artists who concentrated primarily on
recording:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsx0DY4eOCU
And why not? Some people like to try over and over until they
get exactly the effect they want. It is an artistically
respectable attitude! Film actors are not less respectable than
stage actors, so why should studio musicians be less respectable
than stage musicians?
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: July 16, 2023, 8:51 pm
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"back then it was a viable path for some musicians to be literal
recording artists who concentrated primarily on recording:"
Could the same be said for performers to concentrate on
performing?
"Some people like to try over and over until they get exactly
the effect they want."
What about those who are required to get the effect by a due
date? Because that was the point I was trying to make. Rather
than practicing over and over until they get their effect by
their own pace, some artists are challenged to get their effect
by a certain deadline. If I am wrong, explain.
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 17, 2023, 3:18 am
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"Could the same be said for performers to concentrate on
performing?"
This was the norm for thousands of years before recording
existed!
"What about those who are required to get the effect by a due
date?"
If you have to release a certain number of songs by the deadline
but you have a really good one that you want to work on more,
you can just release a different one (mediocre if need be) for
the deadline instead and hold onto the good one for a subsequent
release, thereby gaining additional time to work on it.
The main point is, once you release, there's no taking it back:
you are declaring that this is the best version of this
particular song that you are able to produce. In other words, if
someone else then covers it better than you, you are permanently
owned. Case study:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm0QAEC2IDE
steamrolled for eternity by:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEqfLnbm3RQ
;D
Even more fun is when you commission a song from a composer,
release it:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbnRPq66lA
and then the composer himself(!) releases his own infinitely
superior version to show the world how it was meant to sound:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgjyNOpPWI
;D
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18920/#msg18920
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: July 18, 2023, 8:09 am
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"This was the norm for thousands of years before recording
existed!"
This gives me a thought. Individual with fewer talents
contribute more to their talents than an individual with more
talents do to their talents. One reason why Nakata's music
(including his songs made for Perfume) sounds mediocre is
because he does more than just music. Not to recommend anymore
music from him, but in one of his 'golden rules' at 6:33 (note
the low quality aesthetics) (Mute your audio if you need to.):
HTML https://youtu.be/5WMyjU5RweU?t=393
So in other words, he does not even contribute that much to
music. You can tell from the art direction, the overly
compressed production and even his clothes that his aesthetics
are spiritless. Wagner on the other hand did not intend to
create his total artwork by himself. Hitler did not intend to
create his whole NS state by himself either, as he simply
approved of the architecture, uniforms, art, propaganda,
politics, etc.
"Case study:
...
steamrolled for eternity by:"
The first singer sounded more motherly while the second singer,
Kwan, sounded more childlike. There is more emotion and
innocence in Kwan's voice.
"Even more fun is when you commission a song from a composer,
release it:
...
and then the composer himself(!) releases his own infinitely
superior version to show the world how it was meant to sound:"
I would be happy to comment on the composition since I love
compositions. The first version was a good simple start but it
did need improvement. As for the second version, it sounded like
it was grown out of the composer's imagination. Though I am a
fan of energetic and danceable music, there is something about a
good quality ballad that feels magical.
Something I learned about art. Simpler aesthetics are quicker to
create. But when a relatively simple aesthetic takes the same
amount of time to create as a relatively complex aesthetic, the
former has more quality than the latter.
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Re: Recommended music to listen to
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 18, 2023, 10:32 pm
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"The first singer sounded more motherly while the second singer,
Kwan, sounded more childlike. There is more emotion and
innocence in Kwan's voice."
There is no doubt that Kwan excels in vocal sensitivity, but
childlike is not how I perceive her singing; on the contrary, I
perceive a weariness embedded in her sensitivity. In the above
cover she only applies it partially, but I still get the feeling
that she is reminiscing a more innocent time in the past, as
opposed to being innocent in the present. In her own work she
goes all the way with this sentiment:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWL1P5y4iE
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18964/#msg18964
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17680/#msg17680
However, this difference is inadequately highlighted so long as
she is placed alongside singers who do not even have the
elementary vocal sensitivity to work with in the first place.
What we really need is to contrast her against another singer on
a similar level of vocal sensitivity but expressing a more
childlike sentiment. I might just have the perfect example:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1TzLiYlU0
See what I mean?
See also:
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"Though I am a fan of energetic and danceable music, there is
something about a good quality ballad that feels magical."
Definitely! It is common for artists who debuted as dancers and
then transitioned to singing to rely on dance songs for
publicity at the time:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44ehrd0g1c
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTj52-2AtnE
but after the dust has settled be remembered for their ballads:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8PrYEcVSUM
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFgsJysVwNc
Back when there was a trend that made it seem like the only
fashionable music was dance music:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf0go4y1eoo
Kudo responded deftly with a single whose A-side demonstrated
that she could beat the dance-freaks at their own speciality any
day she wanted to:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0iPXABXFZk
but, with that minor detail out of the way ( ;D ), more
importantly whose B-side pointed back to what truly timeless
music sounds like:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4QUgUGXbQ
By the way, since you like energetic dance songs, what do you
think of the following two (rivalling) grand collaborations?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg4150/#msg4150
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHA3mOYPyEg
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXPgrCd1qUA[/quote]
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