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Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: rp
Date: May 2, 2023, 3:29 am
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Low-intellect pothead Westerner Duncan Trussel explains hedonist
"Buddhism" to Lex Fridman (Jew):
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 2, 2023, 5:43 pm
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Among present-day Westerners, I find that it's generally the
anti-Buddhist Westerners who understand Buddhism more
accurately. They are the ones who at least grasp Buddhism's
broad direction, and accurately acknowledge that it is
incompatible with Western thinking, hence end up opposing
Buddhism. The supposedly "pro-Buddhist" Westerners are much more
dangerous to Buddhism by claiming it is reconciliable with
Western thinking, which necessarily requires inverting its
direction.
(Real) Buddhism: Samsara is the problem; Nirvana (escaping
Samsara) is the solution.
Western anti-Buddhism: Samsara is fine; Buddhism is pessimistic
for claiming Samsara is the problem.
Westernized "Buddhism": Samsara is fine and only a problem
because we think it is is problem; Nirvana (the name for the
solution) is learning that Samsara is fine.
The best argument against Westernized "Buddhism" is that its
version of "Nirvana" would have to be reiterated in every
rebirth indefinitely! We are born, we "learn" that Samsara is
fine, we die, and then we are reborn and must "learn" all over
again that Samsara is fine! How is this a serious solution?! In
every rebirth we would still have to re-experience the
pre-"learning" stage first!
(Recall the adult view that children need their Original
Nobility crushed, following which they will be grateful and then
mature, reproduce and crush the next generation of children's
Original Nobility. This is essentially what we are dealing with
above, except with physical reproduction replaced by subjective
rebirth. In fact the two go together!)
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: May 2, 2023, 9:30 pm
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> We are born, we "learn" that Samsara is fine, we die, and then
we are reborn and must "learn" all over again that Samsara is
fine! How is this a serious solution?! In every rebirth we would
still have to re-experience the pre-"learning" stage first!
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This activity is more close to Aristotelian Empiricism
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> (Recall the adult view that children need their Original
Nobility crushed, following which they will be grateful and then
mature, reproduce and crush the next generation of children's
Original Nobility. This is essentially what we are dealing with
above, except with physical reproduction replaced by subjective
rebirth. In fact the two go together!)
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This useless activity is closer to Judaism materialism.
Fundamental Part of Western Barbarism Civilization
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: guest98
Date: May 3, 2023, 7:41 pm
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Jew's and "white's" work towards the same goal, which is to make
the material world, prison of suffering and illusion, more and
more difficult to escape from, and eventually, if they succeed
in their plans, impossible to escape from. Sustainable western
civilization and eternal Zion are the same thing.
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 3, 2023, 9:11 pm
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See also:
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 4, 2025, 8:20 pm
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Prager inverts Buddhism:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYQZLZ6heY
Prager says that expectations are problem, not desires.
Actially, it is desires that are the problem, not expectations.
Expectations are merely what you necessarily get from applying
standards. What is:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratimok%E1%B9%A3a
if not explicitly stated expectations for followers? Thus to be
opposed to expectations (as Prager is) is to be opposed to
Buddhism itself.
On the other hand, let's examine Prager's examples of desires he
considers unproblematic.
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> world peace
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I dislike war, but to desire peace is to imply that for the sake
of peace it is worth forgetting injustice. (Obviously this is
what Prager wants the world to do with regard to Western
colonialism in general and Israel in particular, but I digress.)
The correct attitude is to prefer peace but EXPECT justice, thus
be prepared to forgo peace if the EXPECTATION of justice demands
it.
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> cure for cancer
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Should we not prefer absence of cancer in the first place, and
hence EXPECT behaviour towards this end? To desire a cure to a
given problem is to imply willingness to create any number of
new problems so long as each new problem is itself subsequently
addressed with its own cure eventually (never mind.that finding
each one cure could itself involve creating multiple new
problems).
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> kinder people
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If we have N kind people + M unkind people, Prager's desire
could be arbitrarily gratified by increasing N without ever
doing anything about M. What we should be doing is not desiring
kinder people, but EXPECTING 0 unkind people.
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> want my kids to grow up to be fine human beings
--- End Quote ---
If Prager had never reproduced, he would not have to worry about
them growing up to be otherwise. His desire follows from failing
to EXPECT ethical behaviour from himself.
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> and get married
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If Prager had never reproduced, he would not have to worry about
them failing to get married. Again, his desire follows from
failing to EXPECT ethical behaviour from himself.
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> and make a family
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Prager is nothing but a Yahwist.
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> I have a million desires. And I think it's a good thing to
have desires.
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 11, 2026, 2:25 am
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Peak Westernized hedonist "Buddhism":
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBcH_2gLC0s
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> we wouldn't want to waste our time and
> 6:03
> our energy coming out here and then
> 6:07
> going home with sadness and anxiety,
> 6:11
> stress.
> 6:13
> Instead, we should come home with joy
> 6:17
> and peace.
--- End Quote ---
In short, his advice is: have no compassion.
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> anything the world
> 10:46
> throwing to us, we suffer, we react.
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Only the desensitized would not!
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> 10:51
> When you react
> 10:53
> within that heart, you cannot feel those
> 10:56
> heartbeat, but instead you feel burning.
> 11:03
> That heart is burning up.
> 11:08
> The heat is rising
> 11:12
> from the chest, from our chest, going up
> 11:15
> to top of our head.
> 11:19
> And we let it burn it all. We let it
> 11:21
> burn all. Whatever we have, we burn it
> 11:24
> all because of that anger and hatred.
--- End Quote ---
It is when you no longer know how to burn despite witnessing
evil that you should be worried about what has happened to you.
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> 14:17
> While peace is something that you can
> 14:20
> practice to have it
> 14:23
> the longest time if you know how to
> 14:26
> manage your emotion your feelings
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But should we feel peaceful while evil exists, let alone
dominates?
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> 15:57
> But imagine
> 15:59
> if we practice every day to feel our
> 16:01
> heartbeat. If we practice every day to
> 16:05
> see our breath going in and out with
> 16:06
> mindfulness, with awareness,
> 16:10
> how wonderful we our life is.
--- End Quote ---
What is wonderful about becoming blind to evil?
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> 16:28
> And to be honest with you,
> 16:32
> toxic people a lot out there.
> 16:35
> And the more you react,
> 16:38
> the more they love it.
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Kirk loved being shot?
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> 16:42
> When you react, they love it. They will
> 16:44
> go to the next person and do the same
> 16:46
> thing and they go enjoy their life while
> 16:49
> we stand there and cry and then suffer.
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Kirk went to enjoy his life after being shot?
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> 16:54
> So don't react.
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Wrong.
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> 16:56
> If you keep on reacting, your life will
> 16:59
> go back to the old days and we going to
> 17:02
> suffer until we die.
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This is what is meant by duty.
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> 17:05
> There's a lot of things better for us to
> 17:07
> do.
> 17:09
> A lot of things that is much more is way
> 17:13
> better for us to do which is do
> 17:16
> something for oursel to love yourself
> 17:18
> more. When you love yourselves means you
> 17:21
> will not put yourself in dangers. You
> 17:24
> will not say something that is hurtful
> 17:28
> to the others and yourself. You will not
> 17:30
> do something that is hurtful to the
> 17:32
> others and yourself. That is how you
> 17:34
> love yourself. That is how you protect
> 17:36
> yourself from dangers.
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This is called being a coward.
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> 18:28
> Inside of this world we have all kind of
> 18:31
> wild animal. Those wild animal will eat
> 18:34
> us up at any time and it could eat the
> 18:37
> whole world up.
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Your anthropocentrism and Gentile blood memory have been noted.
They perfectly match your subhuman face shape, by the way.
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> Get a piece of
> 24:54
> paper and a pen.
> 24:56
> Write down the statement. Say, "Today is
> 24:59
> going to be my peaceful day."
> ...
> Read it over and read over and
> 25:54
> then finally read it out loud with our
> 25:56
> mouth. Today is going to be my peaceful
> 26:00
> day.
> 26:01
> Tell the universe that today is going to
> 26:04
> be my peaceful day so that no one in
> 26:07
> this world can mess it up except oursel.
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Meanwhile, what is happening to countless innocent victims all
around the world? If you can be peaceful while they are
victimized, you have separated yourself from them. Authentic
Buddhism is about the opposite: about never separating yourself
from them. Even if you lack power to help them at present, at
least never forget what they are going through.
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But of course Pannakara thinks he knows better.
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> 26:43
> Give them a smile. Walk away.
> 26:46
> That's the only way we should react.
> 26:49
> Other than that, if you react with
> 26:51
> anger, hate,
> 26:55
> you will ruin your day
> 26:58
> and you'll be suffer again.
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So, for example, when we see ICE agents, don't remind yourself
of what is happening to their victims this very moment. Instead,
just smile at the ICE agents. Definitely do not try to stop them
from kidnapping their victims or worse. Got it.
This goes back to what I had warned about long ago:
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> One of the most widely and badly misunderstood Buddhist
teachings is the exhortation that we should not let external
phenomena alter our mind, but instead should use our mind to
alter the external phenomena. Versions corrupted by hedonism
claim that it means we should not let the evil we see ongoing in
the world cause us emotional distress, but instead should
exercise psychological distancing from it until we reach certain
solipsistic or otherwise ’advanced’ metaphysical perspectives
from which we can convince ourselves that it is unreal or
unimportant; in other words, the problem is not injustice but
wishing for justice, and the solution is not elimination of evil
but elimination of nobility. This is an absolute inversion of
what Siddhartha actually meant, namely that we should not let
the evil we see ongoing in the world desensitize our emotions
until we neither notice nor care, but instead should apply our
will in practical action against it.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 16, 2026, 7:01 pm
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What happens when Gentiles become 'monks':
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJMVUF6Gpyc
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> 4:07
> And who in this world that also veg but
> 4:11
> brought tears to the world?
> 4:14
> Hitler.
> 4:15
> Hitler. Yes,
> 4:18
> he is veg, right?
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HAIL HITLER!
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> 4:38
> A lot of people
> 4:40
> I saw it with my naked eyes.
> 4:44
> They came to me and see me and talk at
> 4:47
> the temple. Oh monks. I am veg for 33
> 4:51
> years.
> 4:54
> And then when sit like that when the
> 4:56
> mosquito fly come and then
> 5:01
> right in front of me
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And you didn't stop them from killing the mosquito even though
they were in your temple.....
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> So it really
> 5:07
> doesn't matter you are veg or nonveg.
> 5:11
> If you stuck with that veg
> 5:15
> and you are attached to that veg and you
> 5:18
> criticize the people who are nonveg
> 5:21
> you are no better than anybody.
> 5:25
> If you are nonveg
> 5:28
> and you criticize the people who are
> 5:30
> veg,
> 5:31
> you are no better than anybody.
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In other words, the real problem in the world according to
Pannakara is anyone criticizing anyone else. (That would explain
why he did not stop the visitors from killing the mosquito.
Stopping them could be interpreted by them as *shock-horror*
CRITICISM!)
(And let's not even get into the invariable self-contradiction
that Pannakara is right now criticizing those who criticize
others.....)
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> 5:34
> So it doesn't matter what you want to
> 5:36
> consume.
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It matters to those who are being consumed.
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> It does
> 6:10
> doesn't matter at all because when you
> 6:13
> go to the toilet, it come out the same.
> 6:18
> And it has the same smell as well.
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According to Pannakara, this is fine because the victim will
become faeces eventually!
--- Quote ---
> 6:24
> So we really don't need to go there,
> 6:27
> right?
> 6:28
> As long as you know that that food is
> 6:30
> suitable for you, take it.
> 6:34
> Look at the other people as they are.
> 6:38
> Don't criticize anybody.
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I look at the above photo and see humans initiating violence
against a cow. Pannakara looks at the above photo and sees
people who must never be criticized preparing suitable food
using an ingredient that will eventually end up as faeces. Who
sees people as they are?
--- Quote ---
> 6:41
> Now that we talk about food, same thing
> 6:44
> as practicing religions, faith,
> 6:49
> we are very very grateful to have all
> 6:52
> the religions in this world to serve all
> 6:56
> beings, right?
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Only the anti-tribalist ones.
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> 6:59
> And so whenever we think that our
> 7:01
> religion is better the best
> 7:04
> and we decided to criticize the other
> 7:08
> religions that is when we are not better
> 7:11
> than anybody.
> 7:14
> Right?
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Buddhism is a critique of Vedism. According to Pannakara, then,
Siddhartha was not better than anybody (including the humans in
the above photo).
Authentic Buddhist comments:
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> Peace for humans...
>
> Death for animals...
>
> What a nice peace you are walking for...!!!
--- End Quote ---
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> I wonder, why, no monk would dare say to not ‘judge’ the
people committing atrocities against humans, but when the
victims are animals, suddenly violence is considered an opinion
to be ‘respected’.
--- End Quote ---
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> Ahimsa or nonviolence was the biggest teaching of Budha. Why
modern day budhism allows eating meat.
--- End Quote ---
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> this is what happened when Buddha teaching got distorted
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> If someone offers you their cooked meaty lunch. They will go
and get another for themselves. That means a animal was killed
for you.
--- End Quote ---
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> “It doesn’t matter if you’re veg or not veg”? It does matter
for the millions of animals who are killed daily.
> You are saying that “as long as you don’t see or hear an
animal being killed for you it is ok to eat it”? Isn’t that just
ignoring their suffering?? How is that ok? The meat industry
hides them in slaughter houses and although we don’t see them,
we all know they scream in pain. And guess what, these millions
of animals are killed for you and because of you; those who pay
for their lifeless bodies are responsible for their deaths.
> People always accuse vegans of feeling “superior”. Aren’t meat
eaters the ultimate example of arrogance and superiority??
Thinking they are so superior that they have the right to kill
and eat other beings when there is absolutely no need??
> “May ALL BEINGS be well, happy and at peace “ means nothing.
If we don’t take responsibility for our actions.
>
--- End Quote ---
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> Each year around the world, 96 Billion animals are put to
slaughter after short lives of deplorable suffering in the world
factory farms.
> Don't support extreme cruelty to animals!
--- End Quote ---
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> The bottom line is you are walking for peace, peace for the
human beings only not for the animals? Most people don't want to
know the reality of horrible slaughterhouses. You are not better
than that, don't want to see animals die, just enjoy their
flesh, WOW. You can never bring peace and happiness in this
world with this philosophy. You guys are wasting time!
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 13, 2026, 1:10 am
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Today let's look at:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Davidson
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> Richard J. Davidson (born December 12, 1951) is an American
psychologist and professor of psychology and psychiatry at the
University of Wisconsin–Madison as well as founder and chair of
the Center for Healthy Minds and the affiliated non-profit
Healthy Minds Innovations.
> ...
> Davidson's research is broadly focused on the neural bases of
emotion and emotional style as well as methods to promote human
flourishing, including meditation and related contemplative
practices.
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More on this below. But first:
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> Richard Davidson is popularizing the idea that based on what
is known about the plasticity of the brain, neuroplasticity, one
can learn happiness and compassion as skills just as one learns
to play a musical instrument or train in golf or tennis.[7]
Happiness, like any skill, requires practice and time but
because one knows that the brain is built to change in response
to mental training, it is possible to train a mind to be
happy.[7]
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I hardly need to remind that proactive killing of Original
Nobility is something we should never train in. But it gets
worse:
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> Use of Primates
>
> Davidson's has been involved in research that use rhesus
macaques to study anxiety,[14][15] which has led to some
controversy and criticism.[16] Davidson has stated that he
supports animal research and that it has "undeniably made major
contributions to the reduction of suffering" in humans.[16]
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Davidson does not care about macaques because he has trained his
mind to be happy when experimenting on non-humans.
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It is hardly surprising, then, that:
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> Davidson has been a longtime friend of the 14th Dalai Lama,
and some of his work involves research on the brain as it
relates to meditation.[7] Davidson has long maintained his own
daily meditation practice, and continues to communicate
regularly with the Dalai Lama.
--- End Quote ---
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Finally, of course:
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> Born to a Jewish family[1] in Brooklyn,[2] Davidson attended
Midwood High School. While there, between 1968–1971, he worked
as a summer research assistant in the sleep laboratory at nearby
Maimonides Medical Center[2]
--- End Quote ---
::)
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Re: Westernized Hedonist "Buddhism" vs Real Buddhism
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: May 22, 2026, 2:24 am
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@90sRetroFan Not that I agree with everything the monk says, but
isn't Buddhism about reducing suffering (dukkha)? The entire
purpose of the Noble Eightfold Path is the cessation of
suffering. Wouldn't going out of your way to feel emotional
distress contradict the intended purpose of the religion? How
can you feel emotional distress and grief while at the same time
being free of dukkha? It seems contradictory to me
In Buddhism, compassion isn't the same thing as sympathetic
grief. Sympathetic grief is a problem, because in feeling it,
you're essentially adding your own suffering on top of the
suffering of the person that you feel compassion towards. This
doesn't do anything on a practical level to help victims. It's
the emotional equivalent of deliberately stabbing yourself in
the process of helping a stabbing victim. Negative emotions
lower the quality of rest when it's needed, and I'm sure they
can hinder one's ability to make snap decisions in tense
moments. We need to be able to reign in our minds
The aim is to feel compassion unhindered by grief. You don't
stop feeling compassion, you just remove your own suffering from
the equation. This is actually an improvement of the situation.
Compassion is one of the four brahmavihara, so it's common for
monks to meditate on this quality. Ideally, regularly meditating
on compassion will prevent the monk (or layman) in question from
forgetting to feel compassion for victims of samsara, even after
having reduced their own suffering. Although I'm sure it's
common for Buddhists to incorrectly apply the teachings, and
accidentally reduce their compassion as well
I don't think that establishing inner peace is necessarily
contradictory to the goal of removing suffering from the world.
Theoretically, I think I want both: to be emotionally
unbreakable for as long as I'm down here, but also to preserve
my sense of justice and compassion
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