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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 5, 2023, 10:58 pm
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"Do you think Arabs don't invent anything"
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Does Row 4 cluster with Row 1 or with Rows 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9?
"What happened to Universalism, not Tribalism?"
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[quote]It seems our enemies are too primitive to wrap their
heads around this idea: that anti-racism is not about benefiting
one's own ethnic group. Indeed, we would even be willing to a
take a hit to our own ethnic group for the sake of anti-racism.
For example, if there was currently two "white" (including
Jewish) nominees and one "AAPI" nominee and we could change it
to three "black" nominees, we would do so without hesitation. Or
if there were currently two "white" (including Jewish) nominees
and one "black" nominee and we could change it to three "AAPI"
nominees, we would do that too. This is what true anti-racist
solidarity looks like. Nothing in anti-racism is about
self-interest. Everything in anti-racism is about doing whatever
it takes to destroy the enemy, including hurting our own ethnic
group if necessary.[/quote]
""Whites", or people inventing technology?"
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If I were in the 10th century, and my aim was to prevent the
Renaissance from happening, which circles should I erase?
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 6, 2023, 3:18 pm
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So this is about the sixth time you've ignored my arguments just
to repeat questions I've already both answered and debunked
another six times over. You are obviously wrong, and using
argumentative fallacies to compensate. I'll take this as another
win for Ascesis
However, it appears that you responded to the first version of
my post, about ten minutes after I revised it to what it is now.
So in the interest of fairness, I'll let you respond to the
updated post — but we all know how that is going to turn out.
Moving on.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 6, 2023, 5:21 pm
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"we all know how that is going to turn out."
Yes. Here we go:
"If this is true for "whites", then its true for everyone else,
especially industrialized nations."
You are illiterate:
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[quote]My aim is to prevent the next problems from being
created.[/quote]
I have never claimed that eliminating "white" bloodlines today
would end industrialization today. What I have been saying is
that, if we had wanted to prevent industrialization, we would
have needed to eliminate "white" bloodlines prior to the
Renaissance ie. before we even knew about industrialization. My
point is that eliminating "white" bloodlines today would prevent
future problems that we today don't even know about yet, but
which "whites" - if not eliminated - are guaranteed to create.
That some "whites" today are anti-industrialization is beside
the point. There are always "whites" who oppose any given
problem that other "whites" have created after it has already
been created. They aren't helping to prevent the next problems
(the ones we don't know about yet) from being created unless
they more radically recognize that the real issue is not each of
those problems viewed in isolation, but the track record of
"whites" to compulsively create problems that no one else would
have created, and hence that the radical solution is to
eliminate the problem source first.
"plenty of "whites" completely hateful of it."
They need to start thinking: "If our gene pool could come up
with something like industrialization, what else could our gene
pool come up with next if given the chance? Better to not give
it the chance at all!" Then they will understand that
voluntarily refraining from reproducing is the best thing they
can do.
"beige skin"
I never said anything about beige skin.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 6, 2023, 6:10 pm
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>That some "whites" today are anti-industrialization is beside
the point. There are always "whites" who oppose any given
problem that other "whites" have created
Many tall people are rápists, so when other tall people protest
rápe then it doesn't count. It also doesn't really count when
short people rápe, because we think that tall people invented
rápe first. After all, there are profound fundamental
differences between tall and short rápists. So, let's just
genocide tall people regardless if they rápe or not.
"Hooray! We solved rápe!"
>My point is that eliminating "white" bloodlines today would
prevent future problems that we today don't even know about yet,
but which 'whites' - if not eliminated - are guaranteed to
create... "If our gene pool could come up with something like
industrialization, what else could our gene pool come up with
next if given the chance? Better to not give it the chance at
all!"
This has already been answered and debunked:
"You show a stunning amount of (willful) ignorance of Chinese
history, if you ignore all of its eras of violence and
technological innovation made by the Chinese well before the
Italian Renaissance.
But does this mean the Chinese should go extinct? [s]Yes, as
does most of Humanity[/s] No. The Han Chinese, much like
'whites', are a broad and often vaguely defined group of people.
They have been violently Sinicizing people for millennia, which
makes the definition of 'Han Chinese' just about as vague as
'white' is. Consider how the 'white' club used to only include
the English & French, but eventually, 'white' began to mean
Germans, Iberians, Italians, and Slavs. Nowadays, when you look
at American census forms you'll even see Arabs & Hispanics
grouped together as 'white'. Differences do exist between the
Han and 'whites', but this fact remains
My point is that, when you look at broad and often loosely
defined groups of people, you see a microcosm of Humanity; the
noble, ignoble, and mediocre. Yes, the spiritual Jews exist
within all these groups and should be dealt with. But will you
actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic tensions, by
lumping the noble and ignoble in one broad group, and say they
should all just go extinct, while not applying the same
standards to other groups? I think you all know the answer to
this."
"(Should runaway technology be blamed on) 'whites', or people
inventing technology? There are plenty of 'non-whites' producing
technology, and plenty of 'whites' completely hateful of it. You
know nothing of history if you believe that people who you would
call 'white' invented all technology, and never got ideas from
other cultures you would consider 'non-white'. I already shared
this with Galahad, but I think this simple image illustrates how
the motivators for technological growth aren't even 100%
genetic:
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You ignoring this (again) indicates that you cannot disprove it.
You have lost this one as well. Moving on.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 6, 2023, 6:32 pm
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The question:
>We'd all prefer anti-racist "whites" pass on their genes than
racist "blacks", would we not?
Your response:
>No. A world where from the 10th century onwards racist "blacks"
had been allowed to reproduce but no "whites" had been allowed
to reproduce would by today have none of the following problems
(Western civilization). It would have only a racism problem,
which we can then deal with without having new problems raining
down on us non-stop.
This is speculation, and an entirely different subject. But it
still easily be debunked by pointing out that in this case, your
issue is with genetic and environmental factors that contribute
to technological growth, not what you'd call the broad and vague
ethnic group called "white" people. Read my above comment for
further details.
Furthermore, your response does not resolve the paradoxical
claim that anti-racists who'd you call "white" suddenly become
racist by reproducing. Yes, the horrors of Natalism are real,
but so is the necessity for selective breeding. Your exact claim
here has already been disproven in a separate minor argument I
won:
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Moving on.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 6, 2023, 6:59 pm
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>What social conditions would enable the ignoble people in the
picture linked above (aboriginal hunter-gatherers) to
independently develop quantum computing?
Similar ones that led prehistoric, ancient, Middle Age,
Renaissance, Industrial, and Modern Europeans to eventually
develop quantum computing. So war, competition, access to
certain resources, prosperity granting people the ability to
focus on anything beyond food acquisition, limited manpower
being resolved through division of labor, skill specialization,
and academia, Et cetera. These links will help illustrate this
point even more:
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAPjjAr0Lv0
Note how these are all social and environmental factors. Your
over-emphasis on genetics reflects both a shallow understanding
of history, and a lack of understanding of how genetics actually
work. Shall we move on?
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 6, 2023, 7:31 pm
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"Many tall people are rápists, so when other tall people protest
rápe then it doesn't count. It also doesn't really count when
short people rápe, because we think that tall people invented
rápe first. After all, there are profound fundamental
differences between tall and short rápists. So, let's just
genocide tall people across the board ("hooray! We solved
rápe!")."
You are still talking like my approach is a way to solve the
current problem, which I literally just explained it is not (but
which your illiteracy ensured you would have difficulty
following):
[quote]My aim is to prevent the next problems from being
created.[/quote]
"innovation made by the Chinese"
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Does Row 5 cluster with Row 1 or with Rows 4, 6, 7, 8 and 9?
"your issue is with genetic and environmental factors that
contribute to technological growth, not what you'd call the
broad and vague ethnic group called "white" people."
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My issue is with which circles to erase in the 10th century in
order to prevent the Renaissance several centuries later.
"your response does not resolve the paradoxical claim that
anti-racists who'd you call "white" suddenly become racist by
reproducing."
My claim is not that voluntarily reproducing changes what they
are, but that it reveals what they are. You have difficulty with
this difference due to your illiteracy.
"Similar ones that led prehistoric, ancient, Middle Age,
Renaissance, Industrial, and Modern Europeans to eventually
develop quantum computing."
Exactly. Only one prehistoric gene pool in history actually went
through this chronological sequence of selective pressures to
actually become what it became. That is the one to eliminate.
(Bonus question: can you point it out on the graph above?) After
that, then we can worry about never replicating this sequence of
selective pressures among the other gene pools - those which
until now have not undergone them - in order that they never
follow the same trajectory.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 6, 2023, 8:18 pm
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[quote]This has already been answered and debunked:
"You show a stunning amount of (willful) ignorance of Chinese
history, if you ignore all of its eras of violence and
technological innovation made by the Chinese well before the
Italian Renaissance.[/quote]
Chinese history did not resulting Renaissance, democracy,
naturalism, and Aristotelianism. No surprise if they less
discriminative and oppressive until today. We want to eliminate
the most oppressive group of people from particular gene first,
that is gene pool which resulting "whites" and Eurocentrist
behaviour
[quote]Many tall people are rápists, so when other tall people
protest rápe then it doesn't count. It also doesn't really count
when short people rápe, because we think that tall people
invented rápe first. After all, there are profound fundamental
differences between tall and short rápists. So, let's just
genocide tall people regardless if they rápe or not.
"Hooray! We solved rápe!"[/quote]
That's the reason on our goal to erase "whites", they are
producing the most tall people on this world. No surprise if on
historical records they liked to **** their colonial subject.
Erase "whites" first, then the other group of people who behave
like "whites"
[quote]how the 'white' club used to only include the English &
French, but eventually, 'white' began to mean Germans, Iberians,
Italians, and Slavs. Nowadays, when you look at American census
forms you'll even see Arabs & Hispanics grouped together as
'white'. Differences do exist between the Han and 'whites', but
this fact remains[/quote]
It means that Hispanics and Arabs also more vulnerable to behave
with "whiteness" philosophical worldview. No surprise if we
historical records, the Arabs ever doing brutal slavery on
blacks, but they did it because influences from "white Greek"
philosophy which influencing them by their "Golden Age
scholars". And also influences from Curse of Ham philosophy
which invented by "whites" too. And also, some surveys recently
shows us that "Hispanics" which historically mixing with
"whites" uring colonial era, tend to close to "whiteness" and
distance themselves from solidarity with victim of colonialism,
the "colored people". So, that group of people based on that
ethnic origins must be totally monitored. And the individuals
from that ethnic groups who are behave "white" must forcibly to
not reproduce
[quote]Yes, the spiritual Jews exist within all these groups and
should be dealt with.[/quote]
This is like state that there's spiritual "white nationalist"
too. I don't take your argument seriously on this case.
[quote]But will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and
ethnic tensions, by lumping the noble and ignoble in one broad
group, and say they should all just go extinct, while not
applying the same standards to other groups? I think you all
know the answer to this."[/quote]
We want discriminate our oppressors, the "whites" until they
recognize their fault and peomise to not do it again. The
conditions of their acknowledgement are, not reproduce, pay the
reparation, and not act with "white" behaviour anymore the rest
of their life.
[quote]There are plenty of 'non-whites' producing technology,
and plenty of 'whites' completely hateful of it.[/quote]
Until today, "whites" who are poduces most of technology and
less "non-whites" who produce it even still have difficulties to
produce it. Had we destroy "whites" first, not try to unite them
within our ranks because of our blindness view about them like ,
we will easily solve progressive technological problems which
done by the remmnants of people with "white" behaviour.
what you do
[quote]You know nothing of history if you believe that people
who you would call 'white' invented all technology, and never
got ideas from other cultures you would consider 'non-white'. I
already shared this with Galahad, but I think this simple image
illustrates how the motivators for technological growth aren't
even 100% genetic:[/quote]
Other cultures produce knowledge, "whites" made it into harmful
technologies and oppressive philosophical worldview, which gene
we must destroy first? I doubt you will not evade from this
question.
From your links, you want to state that technological growth
also produced from harsh conditions which force group of people
to do that. But technological innovations which justified to
continue forever with pretext of Judaism, Aristotelianism,
Renaissance, and Israelism only come from "white" gene pool.
Which gene we must destroy first? Did other people from
particular ethnic which other than "white" produce such
philosophical worldview?
[quote]You ignoring this (again) indicates that you cannot
disprove it. You have lost this one as well. Moving on.[/quote]
You even not answer the 90sRetroFan data statistics only because
you consider it "not relevant" and "ad hominem". Your answer
merely just judging people not giving an answer. Our points
still stand here. Your inability to answer still shown until
now.
[quote]This is speculation, and an entirely different subject.
But it still easily be debunked by pointing out that in this
case, your issue is with genetic and environmental factors that
contribute to technological growth, not what you'd call the
broad and vague ethnic group called "white" people. Read my
above comment for further details.[/quote]
In fact if you aware of history, only whites" who justified
their technological innovation and their ruthless colonialism
with pretext of environmental condition. See Aristoteles
climatic racialism on his book Politics
[quote]Furthermore, your response does not resolve the
paradoxical claim that anti-racists who'd you call "white"
suddenly become racist by reproducing.[/quote]
"Whites" have eternal fault on their high intelligence and their
inability to stop their continuous innovations and behave
properly. Even until today they doing neo-colonialism which
suffering the so-called "Third World" people economically and
environmentally
[quote]I won[/quote]
Because you always ignoring our data. No surprise you can claim
something like that
[quote]Similar ones that led prehistoric, ancient, Middle Age,
Renaissance, Industrial, and Modern Europeans to eventually
develop quantum computing. So war, competition, access to
certain resources, prosperity granting people the ability to
focus on anything beyond food acquisition, limited manpower
being resolved through division of labor, skill specialization,
and academia, Et cetera. These links will help illustrate this
point even more:[/quote]
No, only people who originally from 4 season land who can
developed into "highly intelligent" and largely destructive.
Seems you ignoring race-realism.
People from tropical and non-4 season land will keep behave less
destructive and less able to interact with material world, even
though they experience same large tragedy which experienced by
the people from 4 season land.
[quote]Note how these are all social and environmental factors.
Your over-emphasis on genetics reflects both a shallow
understanding of history, and a lack of understanding of how
genetics actually work. Shall we move on?[/quote]
Harsh social and environmental conditions did not made "blacks"
doing anything like Renaissance even though they ever war each
other like "whites", harsh social and environmental conditions
did not made "red skin" and "aboriginal people" doing anything
like Renaissance and colonialism even tough they ever war each
other like "whites". So, genetics from particular ethnic
fundamentally embedded on people"s behaviour. Your
race-denialism debunk your arguments. We not want to "move on",
we want to destroy you too
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 6, 2023, 9:10 pm
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>My claim is not that voluntarily reproducing changes what they
are, but that it reveals what they are.
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>My issue is with which circles to erase in the 10th century in
order to prevent the Renaissance several centuries later.
People are analyzed to see what their favorite kind of music is.
Then, the number of serial killers present in every music
faction is found. It is discovered that "jazz-enjoyers" have a
much higher percentage of serial killers in their ranks, than
"lofi-enjoyers" and "rock-enjoyers" do. Which music genre do we
completely kill and musicide, despite the non-serial killers in
them, in order to stop the most serial killers?
It doesn't matter if we're letting other serial killers get away
at the expense of the innocent, and creating more serial killers
in the process, because that's actually a good thing. Now point
to my fúcking graph and tell me which circle of music lovers to
kill, you illiterate fággot.
>Only one prehistoric gene pool in history actually went through
this chronological sequence of selective pressures to actually
become what it became.
What is your proof that this influenced their genetics?
Questionable Empiricism from Wignats? I can pick away at that
all day and you know it. But even then, your issue is with
technocratic genetics, not everyone you decide to consider
"white".
Why? Because not every group of "whites" went through this
process, nor did this make all "whites" technology worshippers,
nor have "non-whites" not gone through similar social processes
either (before and after the Renaissance & Industrial
revolution). You are essentially saying:
"Medieval Florentines & Venetians faced unique social conditions
that favored technological growth, therefore everyone who
belongs to the same broad social construct/vague ethnic group as
them (created hundreds of years later) MUST DIE!!! (but not the
other groups doing the same thing)"
But of course you cannot answer this, just like you can't answer
my point about the Chinese, so I'll add that to my list of
concessions from you. Funny how everything you say always comes
back to a handful of questions you are terrified of answering,
isn't it?
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 7, 2023, 12:06 am
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"in order to stop the most serial killers?"
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[quote]You are still talking like my approach is a way to solve
the current problem, which I literally just explained it is not
(but which your illiteracy ensured you would have difficulty
following):
[quote]My aim is to prevent the next problems from being
created.[/quote][/quote]
[quote]Now point to my fúcking graph[/quote]
Is this the one?
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"What is your proof that this influenced their genetics?"
HTML https://raceandconflicts.home.blo
g/2020/06/23/the-black-plague-and-european-intelligence/
[quote]The Black Plague lasted just a few years and in that
time, it killed about 30-60 percent of Europe’s population
(Benedictow, 2005). By doing so, it likely took out entire
classes of people, which may have had positive effects on the
following gene pool. Hence, the story of European success can be
partially explained.
This is not to say that the entirety of European genetic change
can be to the Black Plague, which would be very likely false.
The European shift from bad conditions to great conditions did
not happen in only 1300 and 1400, though it did appear to begin
there. However, the entirety of European success can be
predicted from continuous genetic change, which, itself, may
have been sparked from the Black Plague.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/edward-dutton/
"I can pick away at that all day and you know it."
Mike Lindell can also claim all day that Trump won the 2020
election.
"Because not every group of "whites" went through this process"
I hope you do not work with food in real life. You'd be the one
against the thoroughly sensible practice of dumping the entire
shipment as soon as a chemical hazard is found in one sample:
HTML https://blog.smartsense.co/food-safety-education-month-hazards-prevention
[quote]Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point (HACCP)
...
This prevents outbreaks before they can occur rather than
responding to them after the fact[/quote]
"nor have "non-whites" not gone through similar social processes
either (before and after the Renaissance & Industrial
revolution)."
But despite this they did not independently produce the
Renaissance.
So either you would refuse to dump the entire shipment in which
the hazardous sample was found, and thus cause mass poisoning,
or else you would demand the dumping of shipments from sources
in other parts of the world as well, and thus cause mass
starvation.
The correct approach, of course, is to dump every last bit of
the shipment in which the hazard was found:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/
and at the same time increase shipments from the other sources
to compensate for the quantity loss resulting from the dumping:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/
This is common sense.
"just like you can't answer my point about the Chinese"
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