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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 5, 2023, 7:55 pm
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"I'm not responsible for something bad, if someone else did it
first?"
If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it invented,
and then the other country (which did not invent that weapon)
reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both to blame,
or only the country which invented the weapon?
"will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic
tensions"
A world with no ethnic tensions but in which "white" bloodlines
continue to exist will create more new problems than a world
with ethnic tensions but with "white" bloodlines eliminated.
Ethnic tensions have existed throughout history. Ethnic tensions
are not the reason why the world is in the terrible condition it
is in today. The world is in the terrible condition it is in
today because of what "whites" have been adding to it from
roughly the Renaissance onwards.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 5, 2023, 7:55 pm
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[quote]Ascesis : Everything I said before can be applied to what
you said here. This is the umpteenth time I've told you to stop
ignoring the question. From now on, everytime you do this, I
will take it as an official concession of defeat from you. Give
me a real answer, or shut up. Moving on.[/quote]
[quote author=antihellenistic link=topic=14.msg19076#msg19076
date=1682822957]
Answer to Ascesis
Western Civilization is trash
Annual municipal solid waste generated per capita
(kilograms/capita/day)
HTML https://datatopics.worldbank.org/what-a-waste/img/map2.png
HTML https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18732.jpeg
Waste collection rates, by income level (percent)
HTML https://datatopics.worldbank.org/what-a-waste/img/v2_waste_collection_rates.png
HTML https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0921344916301574-gr1.jpg
[quote]No other country is drowning in waste as much as the US
...
From an environmental perspective, waste incineration is
preferable to landfill. However, just 17 out of the 38 countries
in the report dispose of more waste through incineration than by
landfill. They are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands,
Norway, Slovenia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, and the
United Kingdom.
Switzerland is the only country that does not send any waste to
landfill. The Swiss produce 706kg of waste per capita, of which
333kg are incinerated and 210kg are recycled.4
...
Environmental organizations such as the Friends of the Earth
Germany estimate that less than 16% of the recyclable waste
earmarked for recycling in Germany can be reused. The biggest
problem is caused by mixtures of recyclable materials in items
such as a yogurt pot with a cardboard sleeve and aluminium lid.
If these are not separated before arrival, there is a high
probability it will be registered at the recycling plant but
will still end up being incinerated.
Small, very thin materials and some food packaging are difficult
to recycle, as their reprocessing needs sophisticated
technologies that are not easily available. The challenging
recycling process is subsequently reflected in the price of
secondary raw materials making these highly uncompetitive on the
market.[/quote]
Source :
1.
HTML https://datatopics.worldbank.org/what-a-waste/
2.
HTML https://www.statista.com/chart/18732/waste-generated-country/
3.
HTML https://datatopics.worldbank.org/what-a-waste/trends_in_solid_waste_management.html
4.
HTML https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344916301574
5.
HTML https://waste-management-world.com/research/global-waste-index-2022-ranking-the-biggest-waste-polluters-worldwide/#:~:text=Other%20findings%20of%20the%20World%20Waste%20Index%202022%3A&text=417kg%20of%20waste%20per%20capita,a%20particularly%20environmentally%20harmful%20way.
The Afro or so-called "black people" produced far-less waste as
always almost all the time.
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/494a5c27ae32e9abca9ea235591a1521/8e2201bdc0a33044-f5/s1280x1920/38a913e6c65fa72961d936d16ed035b9dbf4d151.jpg
White race always doing anything which always waste of time
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/e4188b9572ce3d8e943ce5d179300fd9/2649d93012a47a5b-79/s1280x1920/643a9d252c0fb2ecbcc1bbc79da09b9e0e2cc0b3.jpg
Had this invasion happened, there will be no more [s]Waste[/s]
Western Civilization
Hitler invasion of Britain plan on 1940s
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/OperationSealion.svg/450px-OperationSealion.svg.png
[/quote]
Question to Ascesis : Which genes from my posted previous data
facts which must be eliminated first from that real data you
"white sympathizer?"
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 5, 2023, 8:24 pm
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>Western Civilization is trash
Go piśs girl, I agree. This isn't anything new to me
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: FRG_03 Date: May 5, 2023, 8:49 pm
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"White race always doing anything which always waste of time"
Ascesis wasting everyone's time proves he needs to reconsider
his priorities or his ideology. You can't convince us "white"
people should be appealed to for "mass propaganda" just because
YOU used to identify as white and don't want to alienate other
"self questioning whites" who might find this site. If they are
truly worthy they will join us without worrying about those who
hold back for petty egoistic reasons.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 5, 2023, 8:55 pm
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@Ascesis “If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it
invented, and then the other country (which did not invent that
weapon) reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both
to blame, or only the country which invented the weapon?”
This comment by 90sRetroFan is basically how I imagine China’s
situation at the moment. China has a high enough average IQ to
compete with western civilization directly, but they really
don’t seem to be as inherently competitive by nature. China’s
urge to rapidly progress technologically and societally seems to
be partially motivated by an inferiority complex, and partially
motivated by fear of the West.
Had China been left alone, they likely would not favor progress
nearly as much, and would have been considered a “more stagnant
and backwards society” (in other words, a superior society) by
comparison, rather than the current westernized powerhouse of
innovation that they’ve become (they appear to be outcompeting
certain western countries in a lot of scientific and
technological sectors at the moment). It’s like that one
rightist article that 90sRetroFan linked. They mentioned how
compared to the West, most other historical civilizations had
more of an attitude of “Why fix perfection?”, so they generally
stuck with the same architecture, the same art styles, and the
same music for far longer, whereas the West, especially during
and after the Renaissance, constantly felt the need to invent
new art styles, new architecture, new music, and new ways of
living in an attempt to “outdo” what’s already been done.
In a vacuum, the second reason (fear of the West) is more
understandable to us, because they dealt with the Century of
Humiliation (among other things) at the hands of the West, so
their attitude has become “We won’t be humiliated again, so we
can’t afford to be left behind.” The issue is that along the
way, this fear can be corrupted into an adoption of the enemy’s
values, so now many Chinese see endless (and competitively
rapid) technological and societal progress as a good thing
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 5, 2023, 9:05 pm
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I think I found the relevant article (and response) for my last
comment:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/?message=16791
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 5, 2023, 9:45 pm
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18124/#msg18124
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 5, 2023, 9:49 pm
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>but they really don’t seem to be as inherently competitive by
nature.
You don't become the world's factory/leading tech hub without
aggressive international capitalism my guy
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/11/world/asia/china-saudi-arabia-iran-us.html
>China’s urge to rapidly progress technologically and societally
seems to be partially motivated by an inferiority complex, and
partially motivated by fear of the West.
I know what you're trying to say, and I agree those are
[s]ignoble[/s] motivators. But considering the extreme changes
China has undergone the past century, I think they are capable
of being motivated by their own selfishness.
>Had China been left alone, they likely would not favor progress
nearly as much,
I don't want to talk about speculative "what ifs". I want to
talk about what they are actually doing, and what they are doing
is turning their country into a concretized Hellscape. Are we
going to allow ignoble people pass the ball of guilt to each
other?
If we want, I bet we could trace the roots of the industrial
revolution back to the Renaissance; should we say the English
were the real victims, and that Northern Italians from centuries
ago are the real villains? The concept of "whiteness" didn't
exactly exist back then to begin with
>In a vacuum, the second reason (fear of the West) is more
understandable to us, because they dealt with the Century of
Humiliation (among other things) at the hands of the West
We can make excuses for Euros too. After centuries of constant
warring and general misery, I really can't hold it against
anyone living in the Middle Ages wanting to explore human
anatomy for better medicine, so people maybe wouldn't die in
their thirties. Its a shame that Renaissance culture was so
degenerate, and that their discoveries kicked off a series of
horrors. But how much is this even a genetic issue to begin
with? I'm sure it is to some degree, but this image strikes me
as a more in-depth answer as to what induces technological
growth:
HTML https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.png
For the record, I want to make it clear that I maintain that
Western Civilization is evil, and must be eradicated. I just
don't believe in counter-productively trying to use racism to
end racism.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 5, 2023, 9:54 pm
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>You can't convince us "white" people should be appealed to for
"mass propaganda"
You are twisting my words into your own cope. Did you forget
that I agreed that people who spontaneously don't call
themselves "white" should be recruited for activism? My only
point was that applying a paradoxical standard to the masses
will only lead to more ethnic discrimination, and tensions
between ethnic groups
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 5, 2023, 10:21 pm
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>If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it invented,
and then the other country (which did not invent that weapon)
reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both to blame,
or only the country which invented the weapon?
The country would be to blame, not the entire "race". Or more
specifically, that country's regime. However, there would come a
point where the "defensive" nation would lose their defensive
status once they begin preying on other countries, and
developing even more insane weaponry. Iran & North Korea are
proof that a nation does not need to be [s]China[/s] an
industrial nightmare developing even more paradigm-shifting
weaponry for defense.
>A world with no ethnic tensions but in which "white" bloodlines
continue to exist will create more new problems than a world
with ethnic tensions but with "white" bloodlines eliminated.
If this is true for "whites", then its true for everyone else,
especially industrialized nations. If any good comes from such a
genocide, it will be the erasure of "whites" living a wasteful
lifestyle at the expense of the ones who do not. So why mix the
noble, ignoble, and the raceless? Why not go after those
innovating upon industry and technology (regardless of skin
color), rather than everyone who vaguely resemble those who
started the industrial revolution?
Believe it or not, I'm comfortable with exterminating "white"
Western Jingoists. I simply reject the notion that this
animosity should apply to noble people with beige skin, but then
for some reason, we should make excuses for "non-white"
spiritual Jews.
>Ethnic tensions have existed throughout history. Ethnic
tensions are not the reason why the world is in the terrible
condition it is in today.
War is infamous for producing technological advancements made to
overcome the other tribe. Westernism is a natural consequence of
ethnic tension. You are lying to yourself if you downplay the
importance of lowering tribalism in pursuit of a higher common
ideal.
>The world is in the terrible condition it is in today because
of what "whites" have been adding to it from roughly the
Renaissance onwards.
"Whites", or people inventing technology? There are plenty of
"non-whites" producing technology, and plenty of "whites"
completely hateful of it. You know nothing of history if you
believe that people who you would call "white" invented all
technology, and never got ideas from other cultures you would
consider "non-white". I already shared this with Galahad, but I
think this simple image illustrates how the motivators for
technological growth aren't even 100% genetic:
HTML https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.png
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