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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: Ascesis
Date: May 4, 2023, 9:30 pm
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Ok!
So you are pretty much ignoring everything I am saying because
you cannot refute it. Virtually all of your responses are just
strawmans, and hyperfixations on my wording designed to derail
from the points made that you cannot refute. Furthermore, it
appears you are attempting an Ad Hominem me through shallow
insults.
Essentially, our past conversation is just an overcomplicated
way for you to repeatedly do the above, presumably in an attempt
to make me give up. So I will just ask you this question point
blank, as I find myself essentially asking the same question ten
times everytime I respond to you, the question that you keep on
trying to ignore:
Is it rational to persecute people who absentmindedly and
UNCONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white", because they are,
supposedly, somehow also maintaining a CONSCIOUS belief that all
non-"whites" should be enslaved to them?
I'm actually okay with speaking to you more, but your points
have to be honest and made in good faith. Therefore, if you
respond to the above question through Ad Hominem, semantic
acrobatics, a strawman, or any other word of verbal Jewry, I
will declare this debate a victory for the Ascesis Foundation.
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: Ascesis
Date: May 4, 2023, 9:33 pm
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>and agree with everything he says
So you're spectating with your mind already made up before even
hearing the other side? Very objective.
>even though I have beige skin and was a Nordicist for 2 weeks
before finding the main site
You either did not internalize Nordicism long enough to fully
understand it, or you simply jumped from one end of the identity
politics to the other.
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: guest93
Date: May 4, 2023, 9:51 pm
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"So you're spectating with your mind already made up before even
hearing the other side? Very objective."
Well, the quality of his material has only been improving since
I found the main site, so there's no reason for me to doubt
about the future direction of this conversation.
"You either did not internalize Nordicism long enough to fully
understand it, or you simply jumped from one end of the identity
politics to the other."
Or I'm simply infected with "white" genes (just like probably
>99% of people with beige skin are), even though I managed to
maintain some of my Original Nobility.
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: rp
Date: May 4, 2023, 10:06 pm
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"persecuted"
If asking someone to refrain from reproducing in order to
prevent initiating violence is "persecution", then I don't know
what to tell you:
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: Ascesis
Date: May 4, 2023, 10:12 pm
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>Well, the quality of his material has only been improving since
I found the main site,
What an amazingly broad and vague statement.
>so there's no reason for me to doubt about the future direction
of this conversation.
Does the massive amount of Ad Hominem attacks, hyperfixations on
wording, strawmans (and general verbal Jewry) made by 90sRF in
an attempt to derail from my arguments, cause any doubt in you?
>Or I'm simply infected with "white" genes (just like probably
>99% of people with beige skin are), even though I managed to
maintain some of my Original Nobility.
Sure. But if your politics still reinforce "black" and "white"
tribalism, then I doubt you're at the end of your journey here.
I've been in your exact position before. If you're sincere, you
probably won't stay there one way or another.
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: Ascesis
Date: May 4, 2023, 10:14 pm
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>If asking someone to refrain from reproducing in order to
prevent initiating violence is "persecution", then I don't know
what to tell you:
If that's how you need to oversimplify the situation in order to
cope everything I have said out of your head, then go for it.
#Post#: 19214--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: May 4, 2023, 11:38 pm
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--- Quote ---
> >Again, here is the graph:
>
> I've already answered and dismissed this like three times. If
you're not going to respond to my answer because I didn't give
you the answer you want, then shut up.
--- End Quote ---
You not answering his data facts, you just ig oring it only
because the data is "unreliable according to you". In other
words you not refute anything to him. My point still stand, you
are white apologist pretending as universalist
--- Quote ---
> Maybe the issue is with IGNOBLE PEOPLE, not people with a
certain SKIN COLOR
--- End Quote ---
The advanced ignoble people come from "whites". And it spread to
"non-whites" through colonial era and Industrial Revolution
which created and perpetuated by "whites". So the priority is
destroy the "whites" and then the "non-whites" who are agree
with their domination and neo-colonialism.
--- Quote ---
> This entire argument can be expanded to include humans in
general.
--- End Quote ---
I'm told you that the "white" humans who are behave exploitative
on this world with large scale. Not all human have "white"
behaviour. Only the intelligence and cold people who are mostly
largely exploitative. So, the "whites" who are to be held
accountable first before others. But you always deny it and say
something which already refutted, but you not want to
acknowledge it
--- Quote ---
> This tells you they are just another crappy natalist.
Literally everyone, literally every ethnic group, that has ever
lived is related to people with an ignoble past.
--- End Quote ---
Again, "whites" and people with "whites" behaviour who are must
be eliminated first by preventing them from reproducing. Because
"white" behaviour is the most destructive and oppressive
attitude if you want to open your mind
--- Quote ---
> I'm calling you a Jew for twisting my words because I won the
argument.
--- End Quote ---
Because the way to refute your arguments is with questioning and
give knowledge answer to your words
--- Quote ---
> I mean even if you truly never have changed your views, that
means you have learned nothing over the years. That aside, how
do you address this then?
--- End Quote ---
Because the problem still same, we no need to change our views
--- Quote ---
> "I brought all of this up because it doesn't seem like you to
base your worldview off of Wignat Empiricism, and dividing
people according to identity politics, rather than the noble and
ignoble people who exist across all lines. This is the complete
opposite of Aryanism."
--- End Quote ---
If you not want to accept the fact that people who got
categorized correctly as "whites" are ignoble, you cannot
understand us
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> Are you applying a double standard to people with beige skin,
but not to people with brown skin?
--- End Quote ---
Not all people are same, "whites" perpetuate Western
Civilization, therefore it's not double-standard if we undermine
and humiliate them. But of course you still not want to agree
with it
--- Quote ---
> No, you do not. You expressly state that everyone who calls
themselves "white" wants slavery back. I am saying most people
who do so, do not want slavery back.
--- End Quote ---
People who got "white" category always miss the colonial past
and want to imitate it in the future or present even tough with
different way without slavery, see modern neo-colonialism. So
they still guilty and must held accountable
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 4, 2023, 11:48 pm
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"they do have a space program, and they do industry, they do
have AI, et cetera."
Copying whom?
"Answer the fúcking question. Would someone, by unconsciously
calling oneself "white", be also paradoxically be making a
conscious decision to declaration ensalve "non-whites"?"
If they intend to reproduce, yes. If not, no.
"We'd all prefer anti-racist "whites" pass on their genes than
racist "blacks", would we not?"
No. A world where from the 10th century onwards racist "blacks"
had been allowed to reproduce but no "whites" had been allowed
to reproduce would by today have none of the following problems:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
It would have only a racism problem, which we can then deal with
without having new problems raining down on us non-stop.
"I've already answered and dismissed this like three times."
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Which circles?
"Maybe the issue is with IGNOBLE PEOPLE, not people with a
certain SKIN COLOR."
Here are some ignoble people:
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If we replaced all people of bloodlines represented by the
yellow circles in the graph back in the 10th century with an
equal number of the type of ignoble people in the picture, would
we have to worry about:
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today?
And again, you are the only one talking about skin colour. I
never mentioned it.
"This entire argument can be expanded to include humans in
general."
Even Duchesne knows better:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg4324/?topicseen#msg4324
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg395/?topicseen#msg395
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9344/?topicseen#msg9344
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10546/?topicseen#msg10546
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17117/?topicseen#msg17117
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17214/?topicseen#msg17214
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17662/?topicseen#msg17662
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17717/?topicseen#msg17717
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17837/?topicseen#msg17837
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18472/?topicseen#msg18472
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18972/?topicseen#msg18972
etc..
"Unique social conditions."
What social conditions would enable the ignoble people in the
picture linked above to independently develop quantum computing?
"You are lying to yourself if you believe that genetics are the
only role playing here"
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"Having beige skin does not make you a tribalist by default."
Which is why I never said anything about beige skin. You, on the
other hand, feel a need to mention it over and over again.
"By "all lines" I mean "all ethnicities". "
Yes, I already know you are illiterate.
"So you're allowed to refer to "technocracy" in relation to
technology, but not I?"
I do it accurately.
"You made the same "error" as I."
You think so because you are illiterate.
"Are you applying a double standard to people with beige skin,
but not to people with brown skin?"
Again, I never said anything about skin colour.
"You expressly state that everyone who calls themselves "white"
wants slavery back."
Not if they voluntarily refrain from reproducing. I would much
rather everyone with "white" parents call themselves "white" but
do not reproduce than not call themselves "white" but do
reproduce.
"Making noble genetics sociopolitically dominate society will
root out ignoble genes MUCH more than allowing ignoble genes
dominate."
Making noble genetics sociopolitically dominate society will be
easier to achieve with "whites" gone.
"Is it rational to persecute people who absentmindedly and
UNCONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white", because they are,
supposedly, somehow also maintaining a CONSCIOUS belief that all
non-"whites" should be enslaved to them?"
If they intend to reproduce, yes. If they voluntarily refrain
from reproducing, no.
#Post#: 19216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: May 4, 2023, 11:52 pm
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--- Quote ---
> So you are pretty much ignoring everything I am saying because
you cannot refute it. Virtually all of your responses are just
strawmans, and hyperfixations on my wording designed to derail
from the points made that you cannot refute. Furthermore, it
appears you are attempting an Ad Hominem me through shallow
insults.
--- End Quote ---
No, your answer only humiliating him with philosophical words
like "ad hominem", "strawman", "semantic", and others without
showing logical answer. Therefore you can be considered not
answer anything knowledges and logics we propose. You just show
your inability to answer.
--- Quote ---
> Essentially, our past conversation is just an overcomplicated
way for you to repeatedly do the above, presumably in an attempt
to make me give up.
--- End Quote ---
We repeatedly answer with same logics and knowledges because you
still questioning anything which answer is already provided but
you always pretend to not got an answer. So, we just showing
your ignorance
--- Quote ---
> ...Ad Hominem, semantic acrobatics, a strawman, or any other
word of verbal Jewry, I will declare this debate a victory for
the Ascesis Foundation.
--- End Quote ---
This kind of answer is the reason on our unrefuttable arguments.
You just humiliate us, not give us a logical and answer of
knowledges
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> Does the massive amount of Ad Hominem attacks, hyperfixations
on wording, strawmans (and general verbal Jewry) made by 90sRF
in an attempt to derail from my arguments, cause any doubt in
you?
--- End Quote ---
You just humiliate his arguments, not answering our arguments a
bit. If you have an answer, you say anything with logics and
knowledges, not humiliation terms
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> Sure. But if your politics still reinforce "black" and "white"
tribalism, then I doubt you're at the end of your journey here.
I've been in your exact position before. If you're sincere, you
probably won't stay there one way or another
--- End Quote ---
The problem is you not want to consider that "blacks" word is
identity which anyone regardless of their ethnic background can
join. But not on "white" word. So "white" is tribalist word
whereas "blacks" not. But you from the beginning of this forum
conversation always evade from that reality and instead just
mock us with humiliate only not with data and logical answer
--- Quote ---
> If that's how you need to oversimplify the situation in order
to cope everything I have said out of your head, then go for it.
--- End Quote ---
Again, you still say anything without logical and rational
reasons, just humiliating us
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Re: Why You All Suck
DIR By: Ascesis
Date: May 5, 2023, 8:20 am
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So for the sake of brevity and staying on task, I want to knock
these out one by one, and only respond to one argument at a
time. Don't bothering calling this derailment, I will return to
your other responses afterwards.
My question:
"Would someone, by unconsciously calling themselves 'white', be
also, paradoxically, somehow be making a conscious declaration
that they want to enslave 'non-whites'?"
Your response:
>If they intend to reproduce, yes. If not, no.
And my response is that you have not resolved the paradox.
Besides, deciding to reproduce does not magically make someone
fervently believe in something, but also somehow not, at the
same time. Even if it somehow did, you forfeit the right to say
that anyone calling themselves absentmindedly calling themselves
"white", should be treated as Western Chauvinist, as millions of
such "white" people have not reproduced.
We agree that natalism is bad. But what you cannot prove is that
everyone calling themselves "white" as a completely apolitical
descriptor is ignoble by default. Shall we move on?
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