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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 7:38 pm
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>That is the fault of those reading (poorly), not my fault.
Yes it is. You belong nowhere near politics if you consciously
push rhetoric that turns people rotten.
>A civically dutiful uninfected person would be happy to be
locked down along with the infected people for the sake of
achieving a surer lockdown of the infected people.
So what does this analogy translate to, in our original
question? We all know every gene pool is "infected", if you
will. So are you saying that no one should reproduce at all? I
actually agree, but that defeats the purpose of targeting a
specific demographic, especially since you yourself can almost
definitely think of exceedingly noble people with beige skin
whose genes should be passed on.
>I say they should voluntarily refrain from reproducing. Those
who consider themselves "white" and who intend to reproduce are
those who should die before they actually reproduce.
And I am saying that there are many noble people with beige skin
(Vegans, perhaps even many people on this forum) who shouldn't
be excluded from reproduction, and that trying to get "whites"
to self-genocide themselves create a racist backlash on both
sides, rather than transcend the identity politics to begin
with.
>Answer by referring to X, Y and Z explicitly.
You know what, I don't think I will. Everyone can easily
understand what I mean, I'm not going to play your dumb
submission ritual by using your terminology. Try again.
>If Z in response complains about having to take responsibility
for something they didn't do, what does that tell us about Z?
Okay well at this point I can only assume that you're just
repeating yourself to try to annoy me because you don't like my
answer. For all of you reading this (lol) this is the answer
that makes 90sRF śhit the bed:
"I am saying that I made the point if you treat 'whites' like
they're racist by default, they will actually become racist; you
then basically accused me of defending colonizers. Its sad that
you have to resort to arguing in bad faith to try to win this.
Was this supposed to be your gotcha question? Because it doesn't
even get us anywhere new; all this tells us is that people don't
want to take responsibility for something they didn't do. You
yourself know that killing, deporting, or getting every 'white'
to voluntarily refuse to reproduce not only is never going to
happen, you will only worsen race relations for just trying.
ADDENDUM: This doesn't mean that the living should ignore the
past. We can still be a disgrace to the colonizers of old by
finding unity to never repeat their evil ever again."
If any courageous soul can brave this riddle, do voice your
dissent and I will be happy to engage in discourse.
>Quote precisely where I use the phrase "return land to the
Natives".
Perhaps this is an internet or cultural quirk, but I was more so
trying to paraphrase than straightup quote. "Return land to the
Natives" is much more succinct than your calls for "white" to
self-genocide along with your long-winded XYZ analogy. Not
surprising you'll argue in bad faith, as most of this
conversation is you just dodging the question.
>If you see them as individuals (as I do), it is very different.
Or maybe you don't see them as individuals after all?
I dunno Jeeves, am I the one speaking as if millions of people
should (one way or another) leave an entire continent because
they were born with beige skin?
>Quote precisely where I mention "expulsion".
Imagine if I said "kill the 'blacks'", and you went "wtf?", and
I respond by calling you illiterate because I actually meant
they should self-genocide by not reproducing (but then,
presumably, kill/expel them if they don't).
>If I wanted endless war, I would be deliberately trying to keep
"white" bloodlines in existence so that there would always be a
gang/tribe to fight against. That sounds more like what you are
trying to do, since you oppose my aim of eliminating "white"
bloodlines.
You speak as if that's actually going to happen, and as you
won't force people to become racist for simply trying. This is
why both "black" and "white" racists want a race war so badly;
it forces people to be racist to survive. Take it from Hitler:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/1BbX73G
Did Hitler whine that Germans who fell for Communism should have
been killed for doing so? No, he educated and recruited them.
>I will make it simple for you. If we travel back in time to the
10th century and want to prevent the discovery of
lithium/invention of electronics in the 19th/20th centuries,
which one geographic gene pool do we eliminate?
The technocratic gene pool.
>Which gene pool brought the Industrial Revolution?
The technocratic gene pool.
>Again, I will make it simple for you. If we travel back in time
to the 10th century and want to prevent the Renaissance in the
15th century, which one geographic gene pool do we eliminate?
The technocratic gene pool.
>Maybe in the distant future after civilization has already
become intergalactic (due to space travel started by 20th
century "whites") we will also see an anti-space-travel movement
comprised mostly of "whites".
Do you want "whites" to oppose technocracy or not?
>You would then interpret that as affirmation that it was
correct to allow "whites" to keep reproducing
Nope, not what I said. You are illiterate.
>anti-Israel Jews, who also never bring up the point (obvious to
everyone else) that Jewish identity (including Jewish
reproduction) is what led to Israel in the first place.
Have you not read the times I've affirmed how I'm against the
"white" identity? You are illiterate.
>In other words, I'm the one treating people as individuals who
should be held accountable for decisions they themselves make,
and you're the one treating them as "sheep" etc. who should not
be held accountable for decisions they themselves make.
I support accountability, just not shallow anti-solutions that
only make the situations worse. You're the one complaining about
how the "common people"* should all die for making an
understandable-yet-ignoble reaction to things, whereas as I am
pointing out that normal people only go the flow of least
resistance and saying they should all die because of that is not
a real solution.
* I use quotation marks because I find referring to "normal
people" as "sheep" and whatnot, to be both pretentious and
narcissistic
>No accountability is your idea of "making the best of it"?
no
>Does Row 5 cluster with Row 1 or with Row 4, 6, 7, 8 and 9?
Sorry I don't trust supposed empirical statistics reported on by
Wignats.
Now back to the question! Haven't the Han Chinese have been both
historically violent and technologically innovative for
millennia? When are we going to nuke Beijing?
>Folkism is not identitarianism.
Agreed. But its also not riling up one slave tribe against the
other slave tribe, especially when this only results in stronger
slave identities.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 7:53 pm
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>"White" doesn't only mean glorifying slavery. But this
characteristics... Anyone who still embrace and do that ethos
and way of life can be considered as "white" and should be
punished... The issue is the people who tend to praise
intelligence and are naturally able to do industrialism and
tech. So, the "Whites" and their "East Asian" counterpart are
the people who to blame. "East Asian" like South Koreans,
Chinese, and Japans tend to follow their former "white" master
to live with technological and industrial innovations without
feeling enough and then stopping it...
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19157/#msg19157
>seeing banking activity firstly come from "whites" and Jews you
know. See this post on this forum
"Non-white" bankers don't exist? YHWH exists in every ethnic
group.
>As long as there are no people with "white" and Judaic
behavior, you'll be fine, if one or some of the members do that,
they got punishment. I'm sure most of the people who do that
will come from a European background, even though not all of
them.
That's what I'm saying, having beige skin alone shouldn't be a
deal breaker.
>My issue is using "white and black identity" which invented by
"whites" to easily recognize who are bad people ("whites") and
who are anti-bad people ("non-whites"). Westerners are
discriminative by behavior and they usually consider themselves
as "civilized" or call themselves "white"
Try telling your average "black" to stop being "black", and
watch what happens. We're at the point where they are addicted
to their identity politics just as much (if not honestly more)
than your average "white".
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 7:56 pm
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>You yourself said we should "separate the chafe" in your video.
Progress
>We don't need their support of people attached to calling
themselves "white" or have "white" values
But can you acknowledge that many so-called "whites" only refer
to themselves as so absentmindedly, and would easily join our
ranks if they were enlightened? I bet this is exactly what
happened to you.
>We should be appealing to light skinned individuals who have
always refused or quickly abandon identifying as "white" on
principle, who would naturally be of higher moral and spiritual
quality.
Agreed, but when it comes to mass propaganda we need to do
everything we can to reduce tribal consciousness within
mainstream society.
#Post#: 19181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 8:06 pm
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>makes me "flake"\eccentric, creep!?
Yep, you still don't get it.
>"white" creeps and perverts on the internet you so desperately
need to be in my personnel business you follow me around on the
internet like a bunch of lost demons.
I've known you for years idiot.
>I do NOT understand why you cannot leave me alone!?
???
>You know what's also funny, I was just ranting into my own
recorder in my own truck the other day about how "everyone else
in the US sucks compared to the S.F. bay area", the very next
day you post on this forum with this title: "Why You All Suck".
Odd, isn't it?
??????????
>I wonder what else a jury will find odd about so many other
"coincidences" I have logged on the internet?
??????????????????????
>What do you think is going to happen to you and your fellow
creeps if I found an audio recording device planted in my truck
and home?
????????????????????????????????
>I would stay away from Ascesis website, it is probably an
attempt to hack you!!!
Brother you are just making us look cooler than we actually are
xD
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 3, 2023, 9:03 pm
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"We all know every gene pool is "infected""
Then why didn't every gene pool produce the Renaissance/Age of
Discovery/Industrial Revolution at roughly the same time?
"I am saying that there are many noble people with beige skin
(Vegans, perhaps even many people on this forum) who shouldn't
be excluded from reproduction"
They are the ones who will voluntarily refrain from reproduction
without me even needing to ask them to.
"transcend the identity politics to begin with."
More like transcend accountability.
"We can still be a disgrace to the colonizers of old by finding
unity to never repeat their evil ever again.""
Every second chance given to an evildoer is unfair to those who
refrained from evil the first time round.
Asking the victims to find unity with their oppressors is an
insult to the victims.
"Perhaps this is an internet or cultural quirk, but I was more
so trying to paraphrase than straightup quote. "Return land to
the Natives" is much more succinct than your calls for "white"
to self-genocide along with your long-winded XYZ analogy."
In other words, you have proven your illiteracy.
"am I the one speaking as if millions of people should (one way
or another) leave an entire continent because they were born
with beige skin?"
Quote precisely where I say anything about people "born with
beige skin". If you cannot, you prove your illiteracy again.
"Imagine if I said "kill the 'blacks'", and you went "wtf?", and
I respond by calling you illiterate because I actually meant
they should self-genocide by not reproducing (but then,
presumably, kill/expel them if they don't)."
You still haven't found where I use the word "expel".
"The technocratic gene pool."
Give me its coordinates on the following graph (or admit you
have no clue what you are talking about):
[img width=1280
height=823]
HTML https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/532016/fgene-11-00608-HTML/image_m/fgene-11-00608-g001.jpg[/img]
"Do you want "whites" to oppose technocracy or not?"
No. I want "whites" to stop reproducing. Once you are finally
gone permanently, the rest of us will have easier time sorting
out the rest of the problems, since we at least will no longer
have to worry about new problems being constantly created by you
at a faster rate than already-existing problems can be solved.
"I support accountability"
So should individuals (whether or not they call themselves
"white") with "white" parents who decide to reproduce be held
accountable for this decision?
"normal people only go the flow of least resistance"
Raising offspring involves more expense than not raising
offspring. The actual flow of least resistance is to not
reproduce.
"Sorry I don't trust supposed empirical statistics reported on
by Wignats."
You are free to check the sources yourself. But you won't.
"riling up one slave tribe against the other slave tribe"
Be specific.
#Post#: 19184--------------------------------------------------
“Ascesis”
By: DoubleSowilo Date: May 3, 2023, 9:18 pm
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People, people. This seemingly new ideology/philosophy called
Ascesis? I looked on its website and I saw a rather fledgling
but promising looking movement that has been created to what it
looks to be reinvigorating the principles of Arya.
#Post#: 19185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
By: HikariDude Date: May 3, 2023, 9:41 pm
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"If by "white" you mean "racist technocratic Westerner", I would
agree. But if by "white", you mean "ethnic European with beige
skin" then you yourself are failing Aryanism 101."
The former is what we refer to. I understand it's too advanced
of a fact for most "whites" to know yet, but that's the truth
(which means we are the advanced ones knowing it).
When this fourm talks about "white" people, we don't mean skin
color or ancestral background, but how one identifies themself.
As 90sRetroFan (these days) put it:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg14940/#msg14940
[quote]Skin colour is irrelevant:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg520/#msg520
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg523/#msg523
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg524/#msg524[/quote]
It was a different time in the 2010s when equality was what
people believed in (thus more leaning a False Leftists). That's
why Aryanism had less of an emphasis on "white" and "black"
identities together.
But now it's the 2020s and so far in this decade, equity is what
people believe in (thus more leaning as True Leftists).
Besides, even back then, there was:
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20201101071258/http://aryanism.net/politics/white-nationalists/
where it addressed "whites" like we do on this forum nowadays.
According to the page:
[quote]
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20190717161222if_/http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/livingston.png
The question should be: should not his students follow
Livingston’s personal example of resigning from “whiteness”?
Because if they don’t, they themselves alone are accountable for
whatever befalls them.[/quote]
If you want historical proof, Hitler had "white" ancestry. Same
with Jesus and any American founding father. But they're not
considered "white" due to them not considering themselves
"white" and/or voluntarily refraining from having offspring. I
too stopped calling myself "white" (and Jewish) and volunteered
not to have children.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 9:47 pm
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>Then why didn't every gene pool produce the Renaissance at
roughly the same time?
You can argue the Arabs & Chinese kind of did. Besides,
technocracy is just one genetic disease out of many. Barbarism,
Zoophagy, and Tribalism existed everywhere back then as it does
now.
>They are the ones who will voluntarily refrain from
reproduction without me even needing to ask them to.
You are again ignoring the point, which is that good people with
beige skin exist. The fact that I have to explain such a basic
principle to you is sad.
>More like transcend accountability.
Not at all. I simply advocate that people unify by acknowledging
"black" and "white" identities to be fake, and find a common
experience in building a Solar Civilization (such as
establishing Autarky to not oppress the "blacks" who are
literally enslaved; such as the eight year olds working in
Lithium mines in Africa).
>Every second chance given to an evildoer is unfair to those who
refrained from evil the first time round.
Absentmindedly calling yourself "white" because that's just what
everyone else absentmindedly calls you, does not make you evil.
I'm willing to bet that most people on this forum were in this
position once, until they realized how ignoble it is. Why is
this such a big deal?
>Asking the victims to find unity with their oppressors is an
insult to the victims.
Yes, racism against "blacks" and "whites" exist and should be
addressed, but for this argument does not apply to the vast
majority of people anymore. Let me tell you something: "blacks"
have their electronics made in sweatshops just as much as
"whites" do. They eat meat just as "whites" do, they buy into
Consumerism as "whites" do, and so forth.
I can't imagine what it must be like being a cow on the way to
the slaughterhouse, or a twelve year old in an Indian sweatshop,
hearing about privileged Westerners benefiting off their slavery
and suffering, accuse each other of oppressing them, and how
"blacks" or "whites" are "the real victims" LOL
>In other words, you have proven your illiteracy.
uhh... no. If I were so "illiterate", how are we having this
debate? Wouldn't "illiteracy" in a Western language be good?
Paraphrasing is not even equivalent to an inability to read. Are
YOU illiterate?
>Quote precisely where I say anything about people being "born
with beige skin".
I never claimed you have said "born with beige skin" verbatim.
If I did, that would at most be a lie, not illiteracy. Perhaps
YOU are illiterate?
I speak of "born with beige skin" because you are the one saying
that anyone who can be considered "white" (beige skinned Euros)
should leave an entire continent for being born with a certain
skin color, and that you are the one thereby not treating people
as individuals, and thus reinforcing tribalism. Are you going to
stay on task, or keep on dodging the question?
Either you yourself are illiterate, or you are trying to Ad
Hominem me because you lost the argument.
>Give me its coordinates on the following graph (or admit you
have no clue what you are talking about)... You are free to
check the sources yourself. But you won't.
We can all infer from simple reason that ignoble genetic
diseases, such as Technocratic genetics, exist in most groups.
Both Aryan and non-Aryan genetics do in general, do they not?
Seriously, what happened to you? What happened to "Rationalism,
not Empiricism"? What happened to "Why Race Matters and Why 'the
Races' Don't"? I personally attribute it to spending over ten
years managing Aryanism only to bear little to no fruit. That'd
drive anyone insane. But if some rando on the internet is
defeating you with what was once your own philosophy, perhaps
its time to reflect? You're burned out dude, but no one here
hates you for it. We should meet up sometime and talk about it,
I'll even let you kill me if things go bad ;p
>the rest of us will have easier time sorting out the rest of
the problems, since we at least will no longer have to worry
about new problems being constantly created by you at a faster
rate than already-existing problems can be solved.
Yeah YHWH really does hedge his bets, doesn't he?
>So should individuals with "white" parents (whether or not they
call themselves "white") who decide to reproduce be held
accountable for this decision?
Yes people should understand the historical context they live
in, and the evils their ancestors did; but the solution is not
to continue their wars. Right the wrongs, move forward against
the parasites, forge a new noble cultural Mythos that unites us
all into a folk.
>The actual flow of least resistance is to not reproduce.
You think it would be, but not if you consider hormones!
>Be specific.
This entire conversation. Namely, that treating everyone who
absentmindedly calls themselves "white" like they're these
uber-racists will only, ironically, reinforce racism.
#Post#: 19187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 10:07 pm
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>The former is what we refer to. I understand it's too advanced
of a fact for most "whites" to know yet, but that's the truth
(which means we are the advanced ones knowing it). When this
fourm talks about "white" people, we don't mean skin color or
ancestral background, but how one identifies themself.
Yea this is okay, I'm fine with this.
90sRF, however, clearly does not as he speaks as if everyone who
has ever passively called themselves "white" or has "white"
parents is a racist technocratic Westerner by default, and
should therefore be attacked. This, coupled with this forum's
penchant for LARPy fedposting, furthermore reflects a shockingly
poor understanding of how people work; doing this will only make
people more racist.
Although, I do find it relieving that at least you and a few
other people seem to be making the distinction between a racist
Westerner, and someone with beige skin.
>If you want historical proof, Hitler had "white" ancestry. Same
with Jesus and any American founding father. But they're not
considered "white" due to them not considering themselves
"white" and/or voluntarily refraining from having offspring. I
too stopped calling myself "white" (and Jewish) and volunteered
not to have children.
I'm the same way, and have been for years. Really all this
particular subject boils down to, is letting people know that
being "white" [s](and "black")[/s] is a choice. Honestly, most
young people would hop onboard with this realization with good
enough propaganda, and a new and better cultural Mythos to
replace it. But NOT if we say "beige bad", and "brown good", by
default.
#Post#: 19188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why You All Suck
By: rp Date: May 3, 2023, 10:43 pm
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" furthermore reflects a shockingly poor understanding of how
people work; doing this will only make people more racist."
People cannot "become" more racist. This is equivalent to the
False Left saying: people are not born racist, they are taught
to be that way. We are well aware that our opinions may cause
people to move to the right, but this merely shows the genetic
inferiority of those people: they are merely expressing the
beliefs that they are genetically programmed to.
After reading the Ascesis website, especially the section about
"outgrowing" Fuhrerprinzip, I am 100% sure Ascesis is Anthony
from Aryanism.net.
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