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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 8:22 pm
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>Aryanists have compassion for the children of their enemies,
that's about it...
Looks like we actually agree then! My whole point is that
treating the children of ignoble people like they're already
evil, is going to make them actually evil.
>"Gulag" is a Soviet\Communist\Jewish\Western word
Which is why I used it a negatively :)
>Please explain the "Aryanist ideal" that you supported
"decades" ago, which has somehow changed present day, or are you
full of horse shyte?
Basically the fact that we went from recognizing the inherent
ignobility of Backlash Herding, to joining the people inducing
it. If you deny that the main site is being rewritten, then
perhaps you yourself are full of horse shyte.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 2, 2023, 8:32 pm
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I really have no dog in this fight and I’m just gonna let
90sRetroFan defend himself, but this idea that the website is
being rewritten in order to change the inherent ideology, is
only an assumption. From what 90sRetroFan has said about it, the
website is being updated to make it more relevant to the current
times and current events. The website has stayed largely the
same for a long time now, so it makes sense to me. I don’t
really expect anything to change about the website on an
ideological level if it ends up being finished in a timely
manner, because 90sRetroFan’s politics have stayed basically
exactly the same over the years. They’re at the very least
consistent, and I’m sure that you would concede that. And I
don’t notice any discrepancies between what they currently
believe, and what the pre-update articles say. At least, not any
of the sort that would lead me believe that 90sRetroFan is
consciously aware of those discrepancies and is choosing to bury
them. I just think you’re mixing up your own interpretation with
what 90sRetroFan was attempting to convey. And that’s
understandable, because we all have our own interpretations
about some of the little things in the main website
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 2, 2023, 8:35 pm
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"Are you comfortable with Backlash Herding then?"
Do you even know what a Backlash Herder is?
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/information/backlash-herders/
[quote]propagandists responsible for promoting attitudes such as
Islamophobia, racism (implicit or explicit) towards so-called
“Third World” ethnicities, and an overarching admiration of and
desire to preserve Western civilization.[/quote]
Duchesne is a Backlash Herder. Culture Critic is a Backlash
Herder. If you dislike Backlash Herding, go after them (like I
do!).
"Are you going to forget how raceless and malleable people are?"
I am not a communist. Are you?
"I can go to the same exact people you speak of, and invite them
to work with their neighbors (regardless of ethnicity) to create
community organizations that help facilitate Folkic celebrations
and grassroots social services that brings their community
together. Which method, my good friend, do you think actually
reduces racial tensions?"
How does reducing tensions lead to justice? (Trump supporters
said that indicting Trump would "inflame tensions". They were
not incorrect. Indicting Trump also is a better path to justice
than not indicting Trump.)
"Many "white" people are not related to Western colonizers, do
they get the Gulag too?"
If they call themselves "white", they are volunteering to be
associated with the Western colonizers.
"I don't think Native people are too happy with "blacks" and
"Asians" occupying their land either."
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[quote]Kevin Gover, Under Secretary for Museums and Culture, is
“a citizen of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma.”[/quote]
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[quote]Spoonhunter decided to put together the event, along with
Micah Lott, as a way to “bring to light issues that we
experience as people of color,” he said. He said the
overwhelming response from the city, where you still regularly
see Confederate flags hung in windows and in trucks, was
positive. “There were people who shouted, ‘Hope you get the
‘rona,” he said. “But most people honked in support, or raised
their fist, or if we shouted ‘black lives matter’ or ‘justice
for Floyd,’ they would open their windows and yell it back.”
“As Indigenous people, we wanted to stand in solidarity with
Black Lives,” Lott told me. “We put it on in Riverton, because
of its older white conservative population and its prejudice
toward Black, Indigenous, and People of Color.”[/quote]
[quote]“Your fight is my fight #BlackLivesMatter,” “Racism
kills. I can’t breathe” and “Justice for George Floyd” read some
of the signs hoisted by the crowd.
...
“Just like our oppressions, our struggles are also linked. The
anti-racist struggle in the United States is the same as that of
Mexico and other parts of the world, the struggle of indigenous
peoples is the same as that of blacks,” Bailey added.[/quote]
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[quote]What’s destructive about these takes is the unstated
assumption that the country can’t heal if white Americans aren’t
accommodated first.
If Biden is to truly heal a divided country, he should not
coddle white racial anxieties rooted in a perceived loss of
status and privilege. Policy should not be built on how it may
assuage or enflame these pathologies. Americans—particularly
those who are Black, Native American, Asian American, and Latino
or Hispanic—have little use for policymaking that’s distracted
by the threat of a racist backlash. Being a president to all
Americans means not centering white grievances rooted in false
notions of superiority.[/quote]
"If I were to make fun of you for being short, you'd probably
end up finding a way to be proud of being short, even if its
something you didn't care about before. Replace "shortness" with
something actually bad, and the same affect occurs."
So if someone does something actually bad, we should not
disapprove of it lest they become proud of it. Your way of
thinking is why there has been no accountability for:
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"This isn't even what we were talking about"
X are colonial-era "whites". Y are their victims. Z are
present-day "whites". Do you know how to do substitution? If so,
read this again:
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[quote]If X steals from Y, then Z inherits the stolen item from
X, and Z refuses to return it to Y on the grounds that Z was not
the one who personally stole it, what does that tell us about
Z?[/quote]
Now answer me.
"What do you want then, to empty America of all "white" people?"
Yes.
"To where, Europe?"
You are illiterate:
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[quote]I am not even demanding that they personally emigrate.
All they need to do is refrain from reproducing, and the land
will cease to be inherited by their descendants.[/quote]
"Return land to their ethnic Natives? Cool way to prevent
ethnostates bro."
You are illiterate. I have always supported open borders.
"I want Americans to recognize the ignobility the US was founded
upon, and then come together to move forward and avoid those
mistakes."
If you were serious about this, you would first demand
eliminating the bloodlines that produced such behaviour.
"You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for something
bad that they were not responsible for"
They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join a
gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory attack
on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last month, the
retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me even though I
was not among those who victimized them last month. I chose to
join the gang despite knowing the gang's history, therefore I am
volunteering to be associated with everything the gang has done
in the past.
"and act surprised when they choose arrogance rather than
self-hatred."
Does this sound like surprise to you?
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"Either all Americans drop the identity politics, or no one
does. Full stop."
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You are LaCour/Levitt.
"I am going to call someone a piece of "shít" and then say that
I didn't mean it, because I put quotes around "shít"."
Please link to at least one site where people are taught to be
proud of their shittiness.
"lithium mines"
Who discovered lithium?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#History
[quote] it was not until 1817 that Johan August Arfwedson, then
working in the laboratory of the chemist Jöns Jakob Berzelius,
detected the presence of a new element while analyzing petalite
ore.[72][73][74][75] This element formed compounds similar to
those of sodium and potassium, though its carbonate and
hydroxide were less soluble in water and less alkaline.[76]
Berzelius gave the alkaline material the name "lithion/lithina",
from the Greek word λιθoς (transliterated as
lithos, meaning "stone"), to reflect its discovery in a solid
mineral, as opposed to potassium, which had been discovered in
plant ashes, and sodium, which was known partly for its high
abundance in animal blood. He named the metal inside the
material "lithium".[7][70][75]
Arwedson later showed that this same element was present in the
minerals spodumene and lepidolite.[77][70] In 1818, Christian
Gmelin was the first to observe that lithium salts give a bright
red color to flame.[70][78] However, both Arfwedson and Gmelin
tried and failed to isolate the pure element from its
salts.[70][75][79] It was not isolated until 1821, when William
Thomas Brande obtained it by electrolysis of lithium oxide, a
process that had previously been employed by the chemist Sir
Humphry Davy to isolate the alkali metals potassium and
sodium.[36][79][80][81][82] Brande also described some pure
salts of lithium, such as the chloride, and, estimating that
lithia (lithium oxide) contained about 55% metal, estimated the
atomic weight of lithium to be around 9.8 g/mol (modern value
~6.94 g/mol).[83] In 1855, larger quantities of lithium were
produced through the electrolysis of lithium chloride by Robert
Bunsen and Augustus Matthiessen.[70][84] The discovery of this
procedure led to commercial production of lithium in 1923 by the
German company Metallgesellschaft AG, which performed an
electrolysis of a liquid mixture of lithium chloride and
potassium chloride.[70][85][86][/quote]
"Which gene pools USE and IMPROVE them? Hint: virtually of
them."
Only after they were invented. By whom?
"Whatever happened to treating people like individuals?"
Each individual can choose to reproduce or to not reproduce.
When someone with "white" parents and who knows "white" history
nevertheless intends to reproduce, they reveal what kind of
individual they are, and we will treat them accordingly.
"attributing every modern invention to "whites" LOL."
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"So you want people to hate identity politics by using identity
politics to defeat identity politics? Truly a stroke of genius,
I think I get it now."
Pacifists react similarly when I talk about Ahimsa.
"This demonstrably does not work."
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"hasn't this entire conversation been about the need to instill
some good ole "white" guilt?"
No, it is about instilling hatred towards "whites" by
"non-whites".
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 9:52 pm
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>Do you even know what a Backlash Herder is?
Do you even know what Backlash Herding is? This is your own
writing, if I am not mistaken:
"Can a liar already exposed as a liar continue to manipulate his
victims? Yes, by advising the opposite of what he wants people
to do, so that people fall into his trap by rejecting his
advice. This tactic - commonly known as the reverse-bluff - has
been in operation since the increase in rise of alternative
media to challenge mainstream media. Those who believe they have
escaped Zionist herding by turning to alternative media are
behaving as if Zionists were unaware that alternative media
exists. It makes more sense to consider that mainstream media
and reactionary alternative media may be collaborating, with the
former (whose credibility is in decline) reverse-bluffing to
channel credibility to the latter, which can then easily
manipulate their supposedly 'awake' viewers."
"On the issue of multiethnic society, every mainstream article
written in apparent celebration of ethnic diversity in society
is making its readers more racist, and this is the exact Zionist
intention of such media: not to encourage unity, but to sow
discord."
>How does reducing tensions lead to justice? (Trump supporters
said that indicting Trump would "inflame tensions". They were
not incorrect. Indicting Trump also is a better path to justice
than not indicting Trump.)
There's a difference between punishing the ignoble, and doing
what we can to allow help the people heal and unite.
>If they call themselves "white", they are volunteering to be
associated with the Western colonizers.
Now this has got to be the most demonstrably schizophrenic part
about you; you pretend as if most people who casually refer to
themselves as "white" as a technical descriptor of themselves
are doing so out of any political motivation, period. Virtually
most people calling themselves "white" or "black" only call
themselves that because that's how everyone else describes them.
They haven't realized that the choice exists to begin with.
Speaking to every restaurant worker, middle school kid, or
tradesman who peripherally considers himself "white" with
disgust because you assume they want slavery back is only going
to make them view your ideology to be just as delusional as you
are
>
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You clearly have never actually spoken to Natives before in
person lol. I don't trust this rhertoric, as Liberals are
infamous for worming their way into any community they can. I've
seen this first hand with LGBT & BLM pretentiously stealing the
spotlight from expressly pro-Palestinian events, and its
unbelievably obvious what they're doing
>So if someone does something actually bad, we should not
disapprove of it lest they become proud of it. Your way of
thinking is why there has been no accountability for:
I'm not saying we shouldn't shame of ignoble behavior; I am
saying that we shouldn't harshly shame people just for being
vaguely related to those who did it, as doing so will either
produce miserable groveling idiots, or arrogant pieces of
śhit.
>X are colonial-era "whites". Y are their victims. Z are
present-day "whites"
I am saying that I made the point if you treat "whites" like
they're racist by default, they will actually become racist; you
then basically accused me of defending colonizers. Its sad that
you have to resort to arguing in bad faith to try to win this
Was this supposed to be your gotcha question? Because it doesn't
even get us anywhere new; all this tells us is that people don't
want to take responsibility for something they didn't do. You
yourself know that killing, deporting, or getting every "white"
to voluntarily refuse to reproduce not only is never going to
happen, you will only worsen race relations for just trying.
>You are illiterate...
Do you want people to "return land to the Natives" (which
presumably means leave America), or to stay in it to refuse to
reproduce? Pick one.
>I have always supported open borders.
You are not going to have open borders by restricting an entire
continent for an ethnic majority, or even if you are only
looking to expel "only" one ethnic group. Racism would need to
be very normalized to do this.
>If you were serious about this, you would first demand
eliminating the bloodlines that produced such behaviour.
Where do you draw the line? Everyone is related to some horrible
group of people. This really isn't even how genetics works
either. People are often ignoble for purely environmental
reasons, and you and I both know how common it is to find noble
people of ignoble heritage, and ignoble people with commendable
heritage.
>They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join
a gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory
attack on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last
month, the retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me
even though I was not among those who victimized them last
month. I chose to join the gang despite knowing the gang's
history, therefore I am volunteering to be associated with
everything the gang has done in the past.
I understand that this is a metaphor, but its a bad one; your
average "white" isn't in a gang. By "month", you mean
"centuries". And by "gang", you mean demographics that have
changed dramatically in both genetics and culture over hundreds
of years.
>Does this sound like surprise to you
More bad faith. I said:
"I want Americans to recognize the ignobility the US was founded
upon, and then come together to move forward and avoid those
mistakes. You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for
something bad that they were not responsible for, and act
surprised when they choose arrogance rather than self-hatred."
Now how about you answer this, rather than try your best to
convince me that I just cornered you in the argument by
pretending you don't know what I meant.
>Please link to at least one site where people are taught to be
proud of their shittiness.
Again with the bad faith. I am calling you out for race baiting,
and you said that it doesn't count because you put quotation
marks around the words "white" and "black". Hence me mocking you
by saying I'm going to insult someone, but then say it doesn't
count because I used quotation marks around the insult.
>Who discovered lithium?
Motherfücker who is USING Lithium?
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Again, you are attempting to ignore what I said because you
can't disprove it. Which was, for the record, that:
"You think 'blacks' don't get screwed over people within 'their
own' group, or don't get help from those outside of it? Yes,
'blacks' have to deal with racism and that should be addressed.
But you don't seem to realize that the 'blacks' being ACTUALLY
oppressed like no other are the nine year olds in lithium mines,
not consumerist Americans."
If you keep on trying to derail the conversation to avoid
admitting being incorrect, then I (and honestly everyone else)
will consider it a concession from you.
>By whom?
...By the people who invented them. Is "whiteness" a fake social
construct, and that everyone is an individual, or we going to
hate categorically hate a large portion of Humanity because they
vaguely look like someone who invented something centuries ago?
You think "non-whites" (such as the Chinese or Arabs) never
invented anything that lead to something bad, in the ancient
past or in the present? lol
>Each individual can choose to reproduce or to not reproduce.
When someone with "white" parents and who knows "white" history
nevertheless intends to reproduce, they reveal what kind of
individual they are, and we will treat them accordingly.
Sure? But virtually every "white" couple with kids have not
thought about it this deeply. So again, treat them like monsters
and they'll become exactly that
>
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Are you going to call for the genocide of the Han Chinese then?
Because those people are quite high IQ, and have been warring
for millennia.
>Pacifists react similarly when I talk about Ahimsa.
Too bad I'm not a Pacifist, and too bad we're not talking about
Ahimsa. Try again.
>No, it is about instilling hatred towards "whites" by
"non-whites".
Sounds kinda racist bro. Going after racist demagogues,
politicians, CEOs, and bankers is one thing — but we all know
how trying to pit the people against each other is going to turn
out
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 10:11 pm
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>this idea that the website is being rewritten in order to
change the inherent ideology, is only an assumption. From what
90sRetroFan has said about it, the website is being updated to
make it more relevant to the current times and current events.
I hope it is. But considering the delusional 180° 90sRF is
taking Aryanism, we can only expect the worst. How vague and
time consuming he's been with it doesn't help.
>because 90sRetroFan’s politics have stayed basically exactly
the same over the years
It hasn't. He went from "detached justice" to "ooga booga
revenge go jerk off with your enemy's blood". He went from "we
are all individuals; the pan-Europeanism and pan-Africanism are
fake ideas" to "wyppl bad because someone discovered Lithium in
1817". This isn't AS honestly changing his mind, its a sign of
decay.
>They’re at the very least consistent, and I’m sure that you
would concede that
Read the debate between us, and you'll understand why I don't.
>And I don’t notice any discrepancies between what they
currently believe, and what the pre-update articles say. At
least, not any of the sort that would lead me believe that
90sRetroFan is consciously aware of those discrepancies and is
choosing to bury them.
If you ask me, this is why he not only decided to rewrite
Aryanism, but completely wiped the doctrine off the main site.
Why not just keep it up until the new material is done? I can't
imagine the recruits and simple convenience Aryanism has lost
because of this.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 2, 2023, 10:23 pm
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[quote]There's a difference between punishing the ignoble, and
doing what we can to allow help the people heal and
unite.[/quote]
We can heal when "whites" are destroyed. We cannot heal if the
"whites" let alive without punishment. We cannot trust every
single "whites" anymore
[quote]I am saying that I made the point if you treat "whites"
like they're racist by default, they will actually become
racist; you then basically accused me of defending colonizers.
Its sad that you have to resort to arguing in bad faith to try
to win this[/quote]
The aware "whites" will confess that they are racist by racial
category and subjugate to our dominion. If they behave like what
you assume, that is become racist because we criticize them,
they will be our target of attack.
[quote]Speaking to every restaurant worker, middle school kid,
or tradesman who peripherally considers himself "white" with
disgust because you assume they want slavery back is only going
to make them view your ideology to be just as delusional as you
are[/quote]
Being "white" means being ignorant that the word "white" is
offensive, not merely glorifying the history of slavery of
"colored people" by "whites". Anyone who identify themselves as
"white" without feel shame and guilty must got harsh punishment
like Otto Warmbier
[quote]You are not going to have open borders by restricting an
entire continent for an ethnic majority, or even if you are only
looking to expel "only" one ethnic group. Racism would need to
be very normalized to do this.[/quote]
That's the reason for enforcing anti-democratic government. To
prevent the "white" majority for behaving more ignoble and more
easily to be subjugated. The Hitlerian approach is the best way
to do that.
[quote]..or getting every "white" to voluntarily refuse to
reproduce not only is never going to happen, you will only
worsen race relations for just trying.[/quote]
Why should we sympathize with race who are preferable to Jews?
We want to destroy them
[quote]>By whom?
...By the people who invented them. Is "whiteness" a fake social
construct, and that everyone is an individual, or we going to
hate categorically hate a large portion of Humanity because they
vaguely look like someone who invented something centuries ago?
You think "non-whites" (such as the Chinese or Arabs) never
invented anything that lead to something bad, in the ancient
past or in the present? lol[/quote]
"White" is this definition :
1. Pro-democracy
2. Pro-capitalist
3. Pro-progressivism
4. Pro-Judaism
5. Pro-Empiricism
6. Pro-Complexity
7. Pro-competition
8. Pro-Stoicism
9. Pro-Industrialism
10. Pro-communism
12. Pro-Relativism
13. Pro-Naturalism
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[quote]As Ricardo Duchesne notes, the Indo-European legacy is
key to understanding the restless, aggressive, questing,
innovative, “Faustian” soul of Europe. Indo-Europeans were a
“uniquely aristocratic people dominated by emerging chieftains
for whom fighting to gain prestige was the all-pervading ethos.
This culture [is] interpreted as ‘the Western state of nature’
and as the primordial source of Western
restlessness.”[3][/quote]
On Arabs, they ever became "white" in the past which poisoned
behavior of Islamic people. Because they spread "white"
philosophical worldview from learning about Greece retard
literature
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[quote]Are you going to call for the genocide of the Han Chinese
then? Because those people are quite high IQ, and have been
warring for millennia.[/quote]
If the Chinese still behave moderately to the West including
Russia and preserve their retard communism, they will be another
"whites". During colonial era, the Chinese usually worked
together with their "white" master to extend the business and
trade on the colonized people's land without sympathizing with
the victim of colonialism
[quote]Sounds kinda racist bro. Going after racist demagogues,
politicians, CEOs, and bankers is one thing — but we all know
how trying to pit the people against each other is going to turn
out[/quote]
Jews also tell that we are "racist" because we incite hatred
towards them. I don't take them seriously
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 10:39 pm
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>The aware "whites" will confess that they are racist by racial
category and subjugate to our dominion. If they behave like what
you assume, that is become racist because we criticize them,
they will be our target of attack.
That's the issue — you are offering people either to be
"subjugated under your dominion", or be attacked for not doing
so. Both options are degrading and fail to transcend the slave
identities put before us.
>"White" is this definition: Pro-democracy, pro-capitalist,
pro-Progressivism, pro-Judaism, pro-Empiricism, pro-Complexity,
pro-competition, pro-Stoicism, pro-Industrialism, pro-Communism,
pro-Relativism, pro-Naturalism
Sounds a lot like China! Clearly you don't have to be "white" to
be "white".
>On Arabs, they ever became "white" in the past which poisoned
behavior of Islamic people... If the Chinese still behave
moderately to the West including Russia and preserve their
retard communism, they will be another "whites". During colonial
era, the Chinese usually worked together with their "white"
master to extend the business and trade on the colonized
people's land without sympathizing with the victim of
colonialism
So "whites" are the only source of evil in the world, but when
other people act bad, its just because they were actually
"white" all along? Don't get me wrong, Westernization certainly
exists but if you think that everyone was perfectly noble until
"whites" came along, you are delusional.
>Jews also tell that we are "racist" because we incite hatred
towards them. I don't take them seriously
"Whites" do not have the extreme racial consciousness and inner
cohesion that Jews do, so this does not apply.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 2, 2023, 10:56 pm
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[quote]That's the issue — you are offering people either to be
"subjugated under your dominion", or be attacked for not doing
so. Both options are degrading and fail to transcend the slave
identities put before us.[/quote]
Destroying "whites" means destroying them and people who behave
like them, regardless of their racial origins. But I doubt that
many so-called "blacks" succeed to behave like "whites" like
other light-skinned people like "East Asians" and "Arabs" for
example. The more light-skinned people are, the closer they to
Yahweh's rule (Yahweh's rule mean Western Civilization, it's
culture, politics, and philosophies)
[quote]So "whites" are the only source of evil in the world, but
when other people act bad, its just because they were actually
"white" all along? Don't get me wrong, Westernization certainly
exists but if you think that everyone was perfectly noble until
"whites" came along, you are delusional.[/quote]
Before "whites" rise, no one invented the complexity of material
tools and applying bad and ignoble behavior into philosophical
and ideological worldviews. When "white" rise, even the ignoble
behavior got justified because there's "philosophical and
ideological reason to do that". See how "whites"'s reproduction
resulting Aristotelianism and Judaism-Christianity ideology and
philosophy. The "whites" are considered "the source of evil"
because they are adept at being evil, so we must expose them to
make them take accountability. By the way, it was not "blacks"
who invented what I already say before
[quote]"Whites" do not have the extreme racial consciousness and
inner cohesion that Jews do, so this does not apply.[/quote]
Even "non-whites" tend to prefer "white skin color" in
advertising activity rather than using their fellows to do that.
Therefore "white racial consciousness" is still alive today. If
"Whites" do not have extreme racial consciousness, then there
will be no "white nationalism" and the "white conservatives"
will not exist anywhere on this world. And don't forget to see
Israel too, they very consciously "white race"
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 3, 2023, 12:08 am
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"This is your own writing"
This is your own illiteracy:
[quote]every mainstream article written in apparent celebration
of ethnic diversity[/quote]
I am not mainstream media, and I do not celebrate ethnic
diversity:
"Do you even know what Backlash Herding is?"
Do you?
"Speaking to every restaurant worker, middle school kid, or
tradesman who peripherally considers himself "white" with
disgust because you assume they want slavery back"
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[quote]as I said elsewhere, due to messy leftist messaging,
there exist some sincere anti-racists who mistakenly think they
have a social duty to identify as "white" in order to
"acknowledge their privilege". Those who identify as "white" for
this reason are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on
account of their self-identification alone.
The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent
anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as
always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from
reproducing.[/quote]
"if you treat "whites" like they're racist by default, they will
actually become racist"
I do not treat individuals with "white" parents like they're
racist by default, so long as they are voluntarily refraining
from reproducing. Have I ever treated HikariDude like he's
racist by default?
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"all this tells us is that people don't want to take
responsibility for something they didn't do."
Z did not steal from Y. Z was given the stolen item by X, who
stole it from Y. Should Z give back the item to Y?
If Z in response complains about having to take responsibility
for something they didn't do, what does that tell us about Z?
Stop ducking the question.
"you will only worsen race relations for just trying."
You are worsening "non-white" spiritual health by telling them
they should not hate their oppressors.
"Do you want people to "return land to the Natives" (which
presumably means leave America), or to stay in it to refuse to
reproduce?"
You are the one doing the presuming. I already said:
[quote]All they need to do is refrain from reproducing, and the
land will cease to be inherited by their descendants.[/quote]
"You are not going to have open borders by restricting an entire
continent for an ethnic majority"
Which I never claimed to want to do.
"or even if you are only looking to expel "only" one ethnic
group."
Which I explicitly said I would not be doing:
[quote]I am not even demanding that they personally
emigrate.[/quote]
but you are illiterate.
"Where do you draw the line? Everyone is related to some
horrible group of people."
The period from the Renaissance onwards has been uniquely
horrible, and only one group of people was behind it all.
"This really isn't even how genetics works either."
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"your average "white" isn't in a gang."
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"Now how about you answer this"
I already answered you, you illiterate:
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[quote]"You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for
something bad that they were not responsible for"
They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join a
gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory attack
on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last month, the
retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me even though I
was not among those who victimized them last month. I chose to
join the gang despite knowing the gang's history, therefore I am
volunteering to be associated with everything the gang has done
in the past.[/quote]
Now how about you answer my XYZ questions?
"I am calling you out for race baiting, and you said that it
doesn't count because you put quotation marks around the words
"white" and "black". Hence me mocking you by saying I'm going to
insult someone, but then say it doesn't count because I used
quotation marks around the insult."
I am reacting to White Pride. Are you reacting to Shitty Pride?
Hence me mocking you be demanding you link to a Shitty Pride
site.
"USING Lithium?"
Only after it was discovered. By whom?
"Is "whiteness" a fake social construct, and that everyone is an
individual, or we going to hate categorically hate a large
portion of Humanity because they vaguely look like someone who
invented something centuries ago?"
Even if no one had ever come up with the social construct of
"whiteness", the distribution of machinism by ethnic background
would still have looked roughly like this:
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However, the social construct of "whiteness" is what convinces
the high-machinism-potential gene pool that it needs to
consciously preserve itself. The result of the social construct
of "whiteness", therefore, is that machinism is sustainable,
because the high-machinism-potential gene pool is being
consciously preserved.
So, back to the present, if we end the social construct of
"whiteness" but do nothing about the high-machinism-potential
gene pool, it is possible that it could eventually dissipate by
itself, but surely not before AI takes over machinism (whereupon
it will be too late). In order to end machinism before AI takes
over, we need to end the high-machinism-potential gene pool
ASAP. This requires actively eliminating its bloodlines.
"You think "non-whites" (such as the Chinese or Arabs) never
invented anything that lead to something bad, in the ancient
past or in the present? lol"
You think if all "whites" (including Jews) had been removed from
existence prior to the Renaissance, the world by now would still
have AI/space travel/etc., or even any of the following?
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"virtually every "white" couple with kids have not thought about
it this deeply."
That also shows what kind of individuals they are.
"So again, treat them like monsters and they'll become exactly
that"
This too reveals what kind of individuals they are.
"Are you going to call for the genocide of the Han Chinese then?
Because those people are quite high IQ, and have been warring
for millennia."
Read the post FFS:
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(Oh, I forgot: you are illiterate.)
"too bad we're not talking about Ahimsa."
Except we are talking about Ahimsa. Identitarianism is initiated
violence. Do you need me to explain how?
"Sounds kinda racist bro."
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 3, 2023, 11:15 am
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>I am not mainstream media, and I do not celebrate ethnic
diversity:
We can infer that the activists bolstering such general rhetoric
are complementary forces to the media. Even if you don't
celebrate ethnic diversity, your politics have the same effect
as those who do.
>as I said elsewhere, due to messy leftist messaging, there
exist some sincere anti-racists who mistakenly think they have a
social duty to identify as "white" in order to "acknowledge
their privilege". Those who identify as "white" for this reason
are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on account of
their self-identification alone.
That is a different matter. Again, you are completely ignoring
what I said which was:
"You pretend as if most people who casually refer to themselves
as "white" as a technical descriptor of themselves are doing so
out of any political motivation, period. Virtually most people
calling themselves 'white' or 'black' only call themselves that
because that's how everyone else describes them. They haven't
realized that the choice exists to begin with. Speaking to every
restaurant worker, middle school kid, or tradesman who
peripherally considers himself "white" with disgust because you
assume they want slavery back is only going to make them view
your ideology to be just as delusional as you are."
>The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent
anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as
always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from
reproducing.
If by "white" you mean "racist technocratic Westerner", I would
agree. But if by "white", you mean "ethnic European with beige
skin" then you yourself are failing Aryanism 101. Good and bad
genes exist everywhere, being what most people would call
"white" doesn't mean you have ignoble genes by default.
>I do not treat individuals with "white" parents like they're
racist by default, so long as they are voluntarily refraining
from reproducing. Have I ever treated HikariDude like he's
racist by default?
Virtually everyone with "white" parents consider themselves
"white". You come along, and say they should die because you
assume that means they want slavery back. Reread my quote from
above.
>Stop ducking the question...
I already answered your question, just not the way you wanted me
to:
"I am saying that I made the point if you treat 'whites' like
they're racist by default, they will actually become racist; you
then basically accused me of defending colonizers. Its sad that
you have to resort to arguing in bad faith to try to win this.
Was this supposed to be your gotcha question? Because it doesn't
even get us anywhere new; all this tells us is that people don't
want to take responsibility for something they didn't do. You
yourself know that killing, deporting, or getting every 'white'
to voluntarily refuse to reproduce not only is never going to
happen, you will only worsen race relations for just trying."
>You are worsening "non-white" spiritual health by telling them
they should not hate their oppressors.
Individual or even systemic expressions of racism against
"non-whites" is one thing, but your average "white" is being
screwed by the same government and corporations as "non-whites"
are my guy. I'd prefer that the people storm the bank rather
than their neighbors.
>Which I never claimed to want to do... Which I explicitly said
I would not be doing:
Then what does "return land to the Natives" mean, exactly?
Telling a massive ethnic demographic that they need to all
voluntarily refuse to reproduce is functionally the same as
expelling them. Again you are dodging the fact that:
"You are not going to have open borders by restricting an entire
continent for an ethnic majority, or even if you are only
looking to expel 'only' one ethnic group. Racism would need to
be very normalized to do this."
>but you are illiterate.
hahahaha I really must be getting under your skin. This isn't
even illiteracy, you were ambiguously implying that you want to
"return land to the Natives" by both expulsion and make "whites"
not reproduce. Yes, you can argue that they eventually mean the
same thing but when people say "return land to the Natives",
that typically means expulsion.
Do you realize what a Jew you look like with all these semantic
acrobatics?
>The period from the Renaissance onwards has been uniquely
horrible, and only one group of people was behind it all.
I agree; the technocrats. Like it or not, the vast majority of
people behind the Kaczynskiite anti-tech movement are what you
would call "white".
>
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Quit trying to dodge the question:
"I understand that this is a metaphor, but its a bad one; your
average 'white' isn't in a gang. By 'month', you mean
'centuries'. And by 'gang', you mean demographics that have
changed dramatically in both genetics and culture over hundreds
of years."
Answer this, or shut up.
>I already answered you
No you did not. You ignored the question by overfocusing on one
word, as usual. More bad faith. I said:
"I want Americans to recognize the ignobility the US was founded
upon, and then come together to move forward and avoid those
mistakes. You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for
something bad that they were not responsible for, and act
surprised when they choose arrogance rather than self-hatred."
Now answer this, rather than try your best to convince me that I
just cornered you in the argument by pretending you don't know
what I meant.
>They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join
a gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory
attack on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last
month, the retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me
even though I was not among those who victimized them last
month. I chose to join the gang despite knowing the gang's
history, therefore I am volunteering to be associated with
everything the gang has done in the past.[/quote]
So that's your solution? Continuous, endless gang/tribal
warfare?
>I am reacting to White Pride. Are you reacting to Shitty Pride?
Hence me mocking you be demanding you link to a Shitty Pride
site.
Again. You cannot address my points, you have lost the
conversation. So now you are being a Jew by trying to derail the
debate by overfocusing on semantics. Cope harder.
>Only after it was discovered. By whom?
I have already answered this, just not in the way you want me
to:
"(Lithium/Electronic was invented)...By the people who invented
them. Is 'whiteness' a fake social construct, and that everyone
is an individual, or we going to hate categorically hate a large
portion of Humanity because they vaguely look like someone who
invented something centuries ago? You think "non-whites" (such
as the Chinese or Arabs) never invented anything that lead to
something bad, in the ancient past or in the present? lol"
Again, you are attempting to ignore what I said because you
can't disprove it. Which was, for the record, that:
"You think 'blacks' don't get screwed over people within 'their
own' group, or don't get help from those outside of it? Yes,
'blacks' have to deal with racism and that should be addressed.
But you don't seem to realize that the 'blacks' being ACTUALLY
oppressed like no other are the nine year olds in lithium mines,
not consumerist Americans."
I already told you that if you keep on trying to dodge the
question, I'll take that as a concession. I'll consider this one
a win. ;)
>if we end the social construct of "whiteness" but do nothing
about the high-machinism-potential gene pool, it is possible
that it could eventually dissipate by itself,
It won't. Look at the Chinese, South Koreans, Japanese, Gulf
Arab states, and literally any "non-white" country with any
measure of industrialism. They are all addicted to technocracy
and consumerism. Blame it on the eight year olds with beige skin
all you want, its not their fault, and its not going to change
this fact.
>You think if all "whites" (including Jews) had been removed
from existence prior to the Renaissance, the world by now would
still have AI/space travel/etc., or even any of the following?
Is the issue with "whites", or technocrats? Again, this argument
falls flat when you consider how most the anti-tech movement is
comprised mostly of people who you would call "white".
>That also shows what kind of individuals they are.
No dude this shows how most [s]"sheep", "lemming", "cattle",
raceless[/s] people in general are. Again, I'll state that most
of these people don't even have to be enemies:
"I can go to the same exact people you speak of, and invite them
to work with their neighbors (regardless of ethnicity) to create
community organizations that help facilitate Folkic celebrations
and grassroots social services that brings their community
together. Which method, my good friend, do you think actually
reduces racial tensions?"
>This too reveals what kind of individuals they are.
Yes, we have already established years ago that the "common man"
reacts to things poorly. But are we going to misanthropically
whine about how bad that is, or make the best of it?
>Read the post FFS...
I did read your empirical study, actually, and my point still
stands that the Han Chinese have been both historically violent
and technologically innovative for millennia. Are you going to
genocide them too?
Oh, I forgot: you are illiterate.
Try a different angle, calling me "illiterate" a bunch isn't
going to make it any less false. Calling me "senpai" would
probably stick better, if you want to try that out
>Except we are talking about Ahimsa. Identitarianism is
initiated violence. Do you need me to explain how?
So your reaction is to pit one end of the identitiarianism
against the other? Awesome way to end identity politics. Again I
will point out that BLM tried this and it only made people more
racist. Considering their vast influence, they have done
shocking little to [s]help people in general[/s] "black" people
as most of their money goes to the Democratic Party when not to
luxury mansions in "white" HOA neighborhoods.
>
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My issue isn't dismantling the "white" (and "black") identity,
or attacking downright Western racists. My issue is
categorically oppressing a group of people for having a certain
skin color.
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