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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 9, 2023, 3:14 pm
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"I’m not gonna participate in this debate anymore, if I can help
it. I think that it’s completely run its course. And if you
guys value productivity, then I suggest you do the same"
If the Aryanization process was already under way and this had
been a conversation between Ascesis and an actual Gestapo agent,
Ascesis would have had his camping trip paperwork signed a long
time ago....
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 9, 2023, 3:36 pm
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"my point is that most people who currently call themselves
"white" do so apolitically, and would be happy to not do so if
made aware that the option existed."
But would they be happy to voluntarily refrain from reproducing?
If not, it doesn't matter what they call themselves.
""Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual
homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people
too?"
"Whites" invented "whiteness". Jews invented Jewishness.
"Blacks" did not invent "blackness". Find the odd one out.
"Well his highly-documentated inability to acknowledge that
anti-tech "whites" exist, and pro-tech "non-whites" exist, and
that the problem is with technocrats, not a broad ethnic group"
You are still illiterate:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19287/#msg19287
[quote]"there are plenty of anti-tech "whites", and pro-tech
"non-whites"."
There are plenty of "whites" who will oppose something "whites"
created after it has been created.
There are plenty of "non-whites" who will support something
"whites" created after it has been created.
Neither of these changes the fact of who (answer in bold) is
consistently causing new problems that would never have existed
if their gene pool did not exist. Indeed, the very "whites" who
oppose a current problem created by other "whites" might be the
same ones to create the next problem (perhaps even as a way to
'solve' the current problem)!
Not all the problems are even machine-related. Democracy, for
example, has nothing to do with machines. Yet are we supposed to
believe it is pure coincidence that the same gene pool to blame
for industrializing the world is the same gene pool also to
blame for democratizing the world, a world which in the absence
of this gene pool would never have done either? Is this not a
sign that it is a mistake to limit acceptable political
discourse to opposing merely the content of what is innovated on
each specific occasion, instead of trying to turn off the
fundamental innovative force beneath it all?[/quote]
"every retail worker apolitically calling themselves "white"
needs to be sterilized"
Not if they voluntarily refrain from reproducing.
"after winning the debate"
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"No one questions the "black" guy wearing the "black and
beautiful""
Because "blacks" didn't invent "blackness".
"but switch both with "white" and everyone will lose their
minds."
Because "whites" invented "whiteness".
"You think "blacks" have never had trouble with Koreans &
Latinos? lol"
Which is not what we support. The following is what we support:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg69/#msg69
[quote]“Let’s not forget that state violence in the United
States has affected Asian Americans too,” Iyer said.
She pointed out that in 2006, a Minneapolis police officer Jason
Andersen shot and killed a 19-year-old Hmong American Fong Lee
who had been riding a bike with friends. An all-white jury ruled
that Andersen, who claimed he saw Lee with a gun, did not use
excessive force on the teen and exonerated him. A 57-year-old
Indian grandfather, Sureshbhai Patel, was slammed to the ground
and left partially paralyzed by Alabama officer Eric Parker
during a visit to his son’s family.
“While incidences of police brutality against Asian Americans do
not occur with the frequency they do against black people, we
cannot deny that police brutality and discriminatory policing
targets black and brown bodies at disproportionate and alarming
rates,” Iyer said.
In addition to providing some historical perspective, Wu said
Asian Americans can remind their own communities that many
privileges they take part in came as a result of black
movements.
...
There has been marked support from many Asian Americans for the
black community during this time, many of the experts noted,
particularly after tragedies such as Floyd’s death. Iyer noted
that organizations, students and activists have created
toolkits, campaigns and town halls to further solidarity
practices between black and Asian communities. She also
mentioned she’s seen examples of youth engaging in conversations
between Asian small-business owners who operate convenience
stores in black neighborhoods and black residents.[/quote]
[quote]“Just like our oppressions, our struggles are also
linked. The anti-racist struggle in the United States is the
same as that of Mexico and other parts of the world, the
struggle of indigenous peoples is the same as that of blacks,”
Bailey added.[/quote]
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[quote]Vilson said it is important to remember "how
interconnected so many of our struggles are."
"The focus on anti-blackness does not mean that we don't care
about kids in cages. Similarly, we understand that slavery also
manifested in so many Asian Americans who had to build railroads
in this country. We understand that the prison system was
exponentially built on the backs of black people through the
13th Amendment," he added. "The more we can hone in on some of
the worst offenses, we can find ways to alleviate all kinds of
different aggressions and oppressions."[/quote]
[quote]“It doesn’t matter if you are Middle Eastern, South
Asian, or black, if you are not white, you suffer from the
impact of white supremacy—which has grown even more acute in the
time of Trump.”[/quote]
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg71/#msg71
[quote]Among those who empathized most with Southeast Asian
refugees was the gay black civil rights leader, Bayard Rustin.
In an ad headlined "Black Leaders urge admission of the
Indochinese refugees,” paid for by the International Rescue
Committee and published in The New York Times in 1978, 80 black
leaders concluded, “If our government lacks compassion for these
dispossessed human beings, it is difficult to believe that the
same government can have much compassion for America’s black
minority, or America’s poor.”
...
"They were the loudest voices for us," Fong's older sister,
Shoua Lee told the BBC. "Even before we asked for help from
other communities, they had come to us and offered their
help."[/quote]
etc.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: guest98 Date: May 9, 2023, 3:39 pm
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@Follower of Arya You arrogant "white" nuisance have the nerve
to call God a schizophrenic delinquent, now move aside dumbass,
the divine calling to destroy western witness compels me to
move, and your in the way.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Junito18 Date: May 9, 2023, 6:25 pm
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"The one that we’re trying to promote, although Aryans are
simply better in terms of degree."
"Aryan" is not a geographic ethnicity.
“I don’t really find it convincing”
An argument in the finest tradition of this website.
“Which is what the powers that be want you to think, so that
leftism won’t be reinvigorated and turned into something
internally consistent and competent. I won’t let people who call
themselves leftists, and how the media and social media portrays
leftists, influence my perception. It’s not a coincidence that
the whole anti-SJW thing became a sudden massive trend online in
2015 and 2016.”
Me calling Leftists hypocrites has nothing to do with how the
media portrays them. It has to do with you saying things like
whites should stop reproducing so that native Americans can have
back the land that was stolen from them but Arabs in North
Africa can stay there and do not have to give North Africa back
to the Berbers and Copts.
“I'm not sure what the "geographical ethnic origin" of Capybaras
are, but I'm pretty certain they could not be classified as
Turanian or Gentile by Aryanist standards:”
So, it isn’t that whites shouldn’t reproduce so that native
Americans can inherit the land. It’s that both whites and native
Americans shouldn’t reproduce so that the noble Capybara can
inherit the land! To paraphrase Diogenese the Cynic “Behold! An
Aryan!”
“Because “black” supremacy isn’t really a thing.”
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The Khoisan held most of sub-saharan Africa before the Bantu
expansion. A displacement easily comparable in magnitude to the
displacement of native Americans by Europeans.
“Jews will answer the same thing if they got questioned about
the history of their ancestor's settlement's progress on Islamic
land. I don't take their argument seriously”
More laughable imitations of 90sRF’s bullshit.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 9, 2023, 6:40 pm
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>Why are you so obsessed with people that obviously do not like
you?
Your opinion of Ascesis is the same as everyone else's? Sure.
Most Aryanists, even if we disagree one a few topics, are
largely negotiable and rational people. You and your yes-men do
not represent most Aryanists.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 9, 2023, 6:43 pm
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>Then where are you recruiting from? "Third Positionist" enemies
no doubt.
Looks like you already know the answer to your own question!
Fúck! Welp, I guess you got me.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 9, 2023, 6:45 pm
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>You are still illiterate
I'm gonna make "Illiterate Innumerate" my rap name, check me out
on Soundcloud:
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Share my mixtape too:
HTML http://ascesis.a0001.net
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Junito18 Date: May 9, 2023, 6:48 pm
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@Ascesis
“Not completely per se, no. But I've always been comfortable
with adhering to a dynamic worldview that acknowledges its
faults, and changes in order to reach its ultimate mission.”
Well, I think there are serious problems even with the original
ideology. For example, I no longer agree with their idea that
the Neolithic agricultural lifestyle led to the birth of a race
of superior people. In fact, I think the opposite is true – that
agriculture caused degradation of the human genome. Humans have
essentially been domesticated and this is not a good thing. This
isn’t my own idea. I’ve encountered in it in a few places. It’s
what Varg teaches, for example. I don’t believe that Neolithic
people were vegan or vegetarian. There never was a vegan race of
humans except for some castes in India (although that doesn’t
mean that the ideology of veganism is wrong). And not all
pre-agricultural people were superior to modern people. Some
groups were superior but very specific conditions had to be
present.
The reason I think this is that many of the traits that I
dislike in human beings are explained better as adaptations to
living in a highly organised hierarchical society that is in
competition with other such societies than as adaptations to
living as hunter-gatherers.
1. People in agricultural societies are more violent and
tribalistic
As people born after WW2, we take for granted how peaceful
society has been since then. The reason for this peace has been
that everyone is scared of the nuclear bomb. Before the end of
WW2, war was virtually endemic in civilised society. A society
that can produce a large surplus population is going to use that
population as cannon fodder to try to pillage and conquer
neighbouring societies every generation. That’s why the majority
of men have violent tendencies and why there are so many
murderers and rapists. Of course, there were warlike societies
before agriculture but in more isolated areas with abundant
resources (the ‘specific conditions’ I referred to earlier),
there were more peaceful societies. It’s much easier for small
bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain
equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society
capable of producing a large excess population.
Consider that pit bull terriers, which are used as fighting
dogs, are more domesticated than wolves, but this doesn’t mean
they are less aggressive. They are extremely aggressive but they
are loyal to their master, just like a domesticated human who
fights for their king and country, or for some bullshit
Abrahamic religion.
2. People in agricultural societies have no integrity or
idealism
Pre-agricultural people were in control of their environment and
their own destiny. People in hierarchical societies are
controlled by their rulers. They have to follow whatever
ideology or religion their rulers demand, often on pain of
death. If they are a member of a professional body, they have to
follow the regulations of that professional body even if they do
not agree (which actually makes sense because an organisation
cannot function if everyone just does what they want, which is
why civilised people evolved to be like that, but it does not
produce free humans who can think critically and act with
integrity). For example, I am a covid conspiracy theorist. If I
was a teacher, I would have been told to stand in front of my
students wearing a mask and tell them to wear a mask and get the
vaccine. If I was a doctor, I would have been told to recommend
the vaccine to my patients. If I had then said no, I would no
longer have a job or somewhere to live. A Palaeolithic
hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in
his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else.
It stands to reason that people living under conditions where
they have no control over anything would evolve to just accept
whatever conditions they find themselves in and blindly obey
authority figures, particularly when obeying authority figures
and high social cohesion does give the society as a whole an
advantage over other societies in warfare.
These are the people who believed in individual liberties and
the value of consent at one moment, then that people should be
forcibly injected with an experimental medical treatment that
could have potentially killed a thousand times more people than
it saved at another, just because an authority figure told them
to believe it. These are the people who believed in Christianity
for centuries just because the people around them did and
authority figures told them to believe it. These are the people
who simply do not have the ability to envision an alternative to
the way the world is. You’ll go to one of these domesticated
people and say something like ‘Corporations are destroying the
planet’ and they’ll say ‘But we live in a Capitalist society so
there’s nothing we can do about it’ or you’ll say ‘there is no
longer true freedom of speech in this country’ and they’ll say
‘that’s what every country’s like’.
Many of them are good thinkers, but only within set paradigms.
They cannot move out of the paradigm given to them because they
have evolved to be soldiers and workers and just to follow
instructions. A simple example: They might be able to follow an
algorithm to multiply numbers well and do it very quickly and
accurately but will not understand how it works and certainly
not be able to come up with a new and better algorithm.
They don’t care about truth. They only care about saying
whatever will get them status or help them achieve their goals,
like in the days when someone could be accused of witchcraft for
making herbal tea and everyone would just go along with it
because they were afraid to be the one who spoke out even though
everyone (including the accusers) knew it wasn’t true.
And there are other traits I could list, but those two are some
good ones to start with.
So, to conclude, I used to think that kings and aristocracies
were good and were needed because ordinary people are stupid and
evil and need to be kept in line. I now think that kings,
aristocracies and dictators are the ones who made ordinary
people stupid and evil in the first place (by warring with other
societies to gain more power for themselves), and are therefore
bad, but since I acknowledge that ordinary people are stupid and
evil I am still sceptical about democracy.
So, if we want to improve the human genome, we should do what we
can to i) encourage one world government (since that will
eliminate wars and hence eliminate the need for countries to
have large populations so they can defend themselves against
other countries). Preferably the one world government will be
some kind of federation so that people can choose what laws they
live under – basically like the United Nations was supposed to
be except that all the countries will be small and of roughly
the same size and power so that it actually works and ii)
encourage the advancement of technology, since by automating
jobs we will eliminate the need for people who are dumb enough
to be able to concentrate on menial tasks day in day out and
create a demand for people who can build and understand
machines, which is good because you have to be able to think
critically to understand highly technical subjects, although
there are a small number of people capable of thinking
critically about technical subjects but not about social issues.
I know that you are all anti-technology, but it does have its
good points and in recent years there has actually been a lot of
progress in green technology.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 9, 2023, 6:56 pm
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>I don’t even think that you actually believe this.
Yes, I do. "Blacks" get an entire month, it can't get anymore
obvious than that.
>“white” tribalists being intentionally inflammatory and saying
slogans like “White is beautiful” or “White pride!”, and “black”
Americans trying to rediscover their self-confidence.
I can be racist as long as I pretend that it's to "rediscover
self-confidence"? Got it
>There are no swaths of black-empowered movements proclaiming
“black” people to be superior to every other group on the
planet,
You think "black" people can't be racist chauvinist? Got it
>And if we’re speaking historically, there were never any
“black” supremacist examples of colonialism either.
But they certainly don't hesitate to put BLM & LGBT flags on US
bombs, do they?
>Eurocentrism isn’t just a problem among “black” Americans.
Gahahhahahhaa oh jeeze. I'll tell you in private
>should spend more time fighting against “white” racism and the
past that caused that kind of statement to have that stigma in
the first place.
Right on brother, but you need to realize that the "black is
beautiful" shirts nevertheless increase racial tensions for both
"whites" and "blacks"
>and then when they go to put their plan into motion, we never
hear from them again at some point?
Because why would they clue everyone in? If there were Aryanists
in prison right now for their activism, or Aryanists
infiltrating high-profile dissident groups, or Aryanists with
high priced properties, you would have no idea. Can't prove a
negative, but I need you to put this into perspective.
>Clearly 90sRetroFan isn’t as easy to outclass as some people
say.
There's a difference between getting someone to acknowledge that
they are wrong, and simply giving up when someone is clearly not
going to stop their dishonest and evasive debating strategies.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 9, 2023, 6:57 pm
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>You arrogant "white" nuisance have the nerve to call God a
schizophrenic delinquent, now move aside dumbass, the divine
calling to destroy western witness compels me to move, and your
in the way.
You should try smiting us if that doesn't work
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