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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 8, 2023, 8:32 pm
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>This is what basic literacy looks like
You need to tell him Galahad. I know you think you're helping
him, but you can't let him depend on you like this, its sad
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: guest98 Date: May 8, 2023, 9:55 pm
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Your still talking? Little bitch
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: guest98 Date: May 8, 2023, 9:59 pm
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Your a coward, if you have a problem with me then say it to my
face
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 8, 2023, 10:24 pm
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“Why not apply this to ‘black’ people too?”
Because “black” supremacy isn’t really a thing. It didn’t exist
historically the way that “white” supremacy or even Jewish
supremacy did. And any so-called “black” supremacist groups rose
recently as a response to how “white” people treated “black”
Americans. Reactionary tribalism isn’t as bad to me because it’s
a defense mechanism, whereas “white” supremacy rose organically,
and on its own. Not as a response to “white” people as a whole
being mistreated. Also, people like the Black Israelites are
more-so just anti-white than anything. They really only tend to
talk about being superior to “white devils”. They don’t tend to
talk about other groups at all from what I’ve read and seen from
them. But to clarify, if it does become a phenomenon so large
that it ends up having the same implications as “white”
identitarianism, then I would apply the same standards
“Well his highly-documentated inability to acknowledge that
anti-tech "whites" exist, and pro-tech "non-whites" exist, and
that the problem is with technocrats, not a broad ethnic group,
does a damn good job at making it seem like he is allergic to
this nuance.”
They don’t neglect it. Non-whites get their images posted as
enemies on here all the time, whether the topic is about
machinism or some other issue. I think we all agree here,
including 90sRetroFan, that most of the problems we’re facing
are present at least to some extent universally. The issue is
that one group is disproportionately responsible for many of
them, and it’s not even close. If we’re only counting people who
are genuinely “white” by most Aryanists’ metrics, then the stats
probably look even worse for “white” people. Keep in mind that
we’re still using the confused and false western conception of
whiteness when we read these stats. The western conception
includes even white-passing people who are not white, and so are
probably less likely to contribute to those problems. Whether
your conception or 90sRetoFan’s conception is more accurate,
doesn’t really matter. The logic still applies because you’re
both at least on the same page that some conventionally “white”
people are not actually “white”
“Whether you like it or not, treating everyone who passively
refers to themselves as ‘white’ are not making an (un)conscious
declaration that they are a tribalist.”
They don’t. 90sRetroFan already gave an example of someone who’s
non-white even though they passively label themselves as such.
You just don’t agree with their example, which is the actual
difference here
“Wait, what do you mean they're becoming self-hating idiots
reinforcing everyone else's racist egos? What do you mean
they're choosing extreme arrogance over extreme submission, and
becoming racist themselves?”
Even if 90sRetroFan’s approach were the wrong approach, an ally
taking the wrong approach to victory is still way more of an
ally than someone who becomes an enemy because of that wrong
approach. I can’t in good conscience throw a fellow Aryanist
under the bus. I understand why you’re afraid of any unforeseen
consequences from taking the wrong approach along the way, but
if someone becomes a genuine tribalist, then it’s ultimately
their problem
“You need to tell him Galahad. I know you think you're helping
him, but you can't let him depend on you like this, its sad”
I’m mostly letting 90sRetoFan defend themselves, because they
don’t need for me to speak for them on things where a direct
answer from them would be the most appropriate. And I don’t
really like debates, so it’s not like I’m a brick wall guarding
them in this context. I’m just butting in when I think I have
information or anecdotes that 90sRetroFan may lack or have
potentially forgotten. But when it comes down to it, I’ll always
have 90sRetroFan’s back. They’re still the person that I admire
the most, regardless of any potential criticisms
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 9, 2023, 1:03 am
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@Ascesis:
"Its important to remember how, like you and I have been saying,
using broad geographical racial categorizations used to be
something we'd frown upon tribalists for."
"White" identity was created in the U.S. by Western
colonialists, it was not invented by True Leftists to describe
anyone:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/msg156/#msg156
"And my point is that most people who currently call themselves
"white" do so apolitically, and would be happy to not do so if
made aware that the option existed."
We are making the people you mentioned aware that the option you
specified exists:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/msg156/#msg156
As are others:
HTML https://belonging.berkeley.edu/john-powell
"He is notorious for being a cúnt to people, he needs to be made
fun of."
Facts often hurt people's feelings, especially if their ego is
heavily invested in their identity. If someone tells you that
you are "illiterate" for example, the ego can take serious
offense. Someone who is less ego driven would ask themselves
something along the lines of, "is my literacy lacking, perhaps I
should work on that?".
"But every retail worker apolitically calling themselves "white"
needs to be sterilized, got it."
No True Leftist has ever advocated for sterilizing anyone, if
you believe this then you do not understand the Aryanization
process.
"Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual
homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people
too? Don't get me wrong, just saying that "whiteppl suck" isn't
enough. Autarkic living, and a complete moral paradigm shift
needs to follow. But this applies to everyone else as well, not
just "whites".
"Whites" invented "white" identity for themselves, and then
forced "black" identity on their once fellow African countrymen:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/msg156/#msg156
How many times do I need to link that thread to you, considering
you came here to argue that the True Leftist take on "white"
identity is incorrect, I would have thought that would at the
least be the thread you read?
Or, is 90SRF correct when you calls you an illiterate?
"Ascesis is just my last ditch attempt to restore Aryanism as a
community, because I still care about everyone here."
I could careless about you. I do care for people like 90SRF, RP,
SirGalahad, and Zea_Mays, antihellinistic, though...
Your last ditch attempt to save a perceived "dying community" on
the internet should have been to create a better community and
then come here, tell us about it, and just drop a link. Your ego
wanted more though didn't it?
"Autarkic living, and a complete moral paradigm shift needs to
follow. But this applies to everyone else as well, not just
"whites"."
"Whites" created and control Western civilization, the
civilization which was responsible for western colonialism.
"Whiteness" must die long before non-"whites" should worry about
what they need change about themselves. This is an example of
punching-up, whereas you want people to punch-down.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/<br
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 9, 2023, 1:15 am
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[quote]Hell yes. The complete ambiguity of the word "white"
itself is alone proven by how 90sRF bounces between all of its
different micro-defintions.[/quote]
I already told you about definition of "whites". Seems you deny
it :
[quote]"White" doesn't only mean glorifying slavery. But this
characteristics :
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/12/07/guillaume-durochers-the-ancient-ethnostate-biopolitical-thought-in-ancient-greece/
[quote]As Ricardo Duchesne notes, the Indo-European legacy is
key to understanding the restless, aggressive, questing,
innovative, “Faustian” soul of Europe.
Indo-Europeans were a “uniquely aristocratic people
dominated by emerging chieftains for whom fighting to gain
prestige was the all-pervading ethos. This culture [is]
interpreted as ‘the Western state of nature’ and as
the primordial source of Western restlessness.”[3][/quote]
Resulting :
1. Pro-democracy
2. Pro-capitalist
3. Pro-progressivism
4. Pro-Judaism
5. Pro-Empiricism
6. Pro-Complexity
7. Pro-competition
8. Pro-Stoicism
9. Pro-Industrialism
10. Pro-communism
12. Pro-Relativism
13. Pro-Naturalism
Anyone who still embrace and do that ethos and way of life can
be considered as "white" and should be punished.[/quote]
[quote]Hell yes. The complete ambiguity of the word "white"
itself is alone proven by how 90sRF bounces between all of its
different micro-defintions. Then, he complains when someone
tries to make a distinction between them. "When did I say 'beige
skin'!?! You are illiterate!!!".[/quote]
If you say "beige skin", then it imply that you defend "whites"
with different words. like the Jews who defend themselves with
word "semite". Actually they are also called as "Israelites"
[quote]Aryanism is simply my life's purpose. For years, I've
suffered, accomplished, and transformed in pursuit of becoming a
higher version of myself, for the sake of Aryanism.[/quote]
You just lowering your personality because you defending
"whites" with another semantic strategy, with using word "beige"
[quote]my loyalty is ultimately to Aryanism as a ideal, not
"Aryanism" as a dysfunctional community.[/quote]
You broke our struggle against Whiteness
[quote]This way, I can be rest assured knowing that I at least
tried to save this wordlessly beautiful source of idealism and
inspiration from fading into the Abyss, if it truly is destined
to do so.[/quote]
No, you try to hamper our struggle, get out of the way
[quote]And my point is that most people who currently call
themselves "white" do so apolitically, and would be happy to not
do so if made aware that the option existed.[/quote]
If they got warned to not do that and they refused to obey, then
they are "whites" and got punishment
[quote]"Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual
homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people
too? Don't get me wrong, just saying that "whiteppl suck" isn't
enough.[/quote]
Your attempt to differentiate between "whites" and Jews shows
your ignorance of the similarity between that two groups of
people. "Whites" adopt Judaism too and keep promoting racial
homogeneity as long the rightist on the West not yet got totally
defeated
[quote]A technological innovation, nevertheless. Let's kill all
Arabs & Koreans! But if we're not going to get them for
technocracy, then why not get them for other moral
issues?[/quote]
We order the people who bear "white" characteristics to not
reproduce, not directly kill them. You keep accusing us.
[quote]Well his highly-documentated inability to acknowledge
that anti-tech "whites" exist, and pro-tech "non-whites" exist,
and that the problem is with technocrats, not a broad ethnic
group, does a damn good job at making it seem like he is
allergic to this nuance.[/quote]
If the anti-tech "whites" exist, there will be fierce resistance
to the rightist on the West today, but in reality none of it
happen, so your sayings just assumption. Indeed pro-tech
"non-whites" exist, but their natural features of lack of
intelligent ability will make us easily to forbid them to do so.
But not on "whites", we must control them with iron grip and
ruthlessness
[quote]Whether you like it or not, treating everyone who
passively refers to themselves as "white" are not making an
(un)conscious declaration that they are a tribalist.[/quote]
If they obey while getting a warning to not declare themselves
as "white", then they save. If they refuse to do so,
concentration camps or physical punishment is the way to make
them behave correctly. Otto Warmbier or Das Reich treatment is
the best way to solve their problem
[quote]Who are dead. Slave identities are slave identities. Are
you going to bring people together in pursuit of a common ideal
by saying everyone but this one group of people can be
racist?[/quote]
"Whites" are the identity of an enslaver and colonizer even
though you always deny it. "Whites" (including Jews) are not in
common with us.
[quote]Wait, what do you mean they're becoming self-hating
idiots reinforcing everyone else's racist egos? What do you mean
they're choosing extreme arrogance over extreme submission, and
becoming racist themselves?[/quote]
Being discriminative towards "whites" means attacking back the
people with a colonial mentality. The more "whites" become
"self-hating idiots" the more winning got gained from our
struggle. Such activity will reinforce everyone else
anti-whiteness self-consciousness.
[quote]If I ever insulted anyone, it was an insult, not an Ad
Hominem-Strawman as it was for 90sRF.[/quote]
Your judging words to him just show your inability to answer our
logical arguments. If you can answer, answer back with
knowledges and logic, not merely an advice
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 9, 2023, 1:31 am
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* Forgot to add antihellinistic to the list of people here I
care about, fixed it! ;)
Antihellinistic is correct, the struggle is what is important,
not anyone's ego! The exact opposite is true for you Ascesis,
your own ego and desires come before the struggle against
oppression!
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: guest98 Date: May 9, 2023, 4:01 am
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@SirGalahad If you have a problem with me then say it to my face
you little ****. Who do you think you are calling me "it", keep
disrespecting me and I'll destroy you
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 9, 2023, 4:35 am
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@m94r I haven’t directly mentioned you a single time in this
thread. I think you might be mixing me up with 2ThaSun, but even
then, they didn’t directly mention you either, as far as I’m
aware
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: antihellenistic Date: May 9, 2023, 5:48 am
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@Junito18
[quote]but for some reason Europeans going to America and
building settlements is wrong. And before you tell me that they
drove the natives off their land, not every wave of European
immigrants was involved in doing that.[/quote]
Jews will answer the same thing if they got questioned about the
history of their ancestor's settlement's progress on Islamic
land. I don't take their argument seriously
[quote]And then that graph he posted to show that Arabs and
Europeans are clustered together genetically. There was a time
when he would have said that geographical racial categorisations
aren’t even valid and ridiculed anyone who used them as a ‘HBD
forum user’ or a ‘Gentile’ or a member of the Alt-Right or a
‘Neo-Nazi’. Now he’s using them himself.[/quote]
Because those racial graphs are empirically proven in reality.
It's up to us to give response to it. The devout left like me
will gain more hatred for the "whites", the rightist will feel
gain more empirical data to ridicule "blacks" and another group
of people whose behavior are same as theirs. We want to
ruthlessly wipe out rightist. Because the truth is anti
complexity and anti-white
[quote]Does he also think that African Americans should also not
reproduce because they are descended from members of tribes who
displaced the Khoisan, and who warred amongst each other? Does
he think that Austronesian people should not reproduce because
they displaced the native Negritos. Is that what the ideology is
now - an ultra-recidivist movement whose goal is to return all
land to whatever aboriginal people first laid claim to
it?[/quote]
Their genes not potentially create westernization and Western
Civilization, so, not all of them not allowed to reproduce,
instead we must think with a good view that some of them will
bear noble gene pool. Western Civilization and westernization
enlarge the problem and complexify the solution to that problem.
Therefore the people who tend to perpetuate it must be defeated
ruthlessly.
[quote]@m94r You're actually proving the point of this thread by
imitating 90sRF's debating style - that this movement has
degenerated a circlejerk of insults and name-calling and no
longer contains anything of substance.[/quote]
Because his debating style has proven to be accurate. Answer our
data and knowledge with its counter-data and knowledge, not just
with judging. Your attempt to defeat us with it just makes you
seen as unable to debunk us
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