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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Junito18 Date: May 8, 2023, 3:23 pm
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@m94r You're actually proving the point of this thread by
imitating 90sRF's debating style - that this movement has
degenerated a circlejerk of insults and name-calling and no
longer contains anything of substance.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: guest98 Date: May 8, 2023, 3:31 pm
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@junito18 It's only on this thread that I've used insults, you
"white" lover.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 8, 2023, 3:57 pm
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“That was on the blog. It contradicts what he is saying now.”
They will directly tell you that they still believe that people
should be able to live wherever they wish, as they always have
believed, and have still been reiterating recently. I don’t see
any contradiction in what they have said so far, and what I’ve
said so far
“Is that what the ideology is now - an ultra-recidivist movement
whose goal is to return all land to whatever aboriginal people
first laid claim to it?”
An end to all tribalist or generally violence-initiating
bloodlines would defacto make this a reality, or as close to a
reality as it can possibly get before a theoretical final
victory is achieved. And I think the statement is reductive
anyways, because I wouldn’t say that that encompasses the
ideology here
“except in refuting your claim that whites have a unique genetic
propensity to advance technology”
So then what do you make of the data, and historical experience?
“that this movement has degenerated a circlejerk of insults and
name-calling and no longer contains anything of substance.”
I have yet to come across any online or real life circle that
doesn’t fit this bill. It’s not unique to these forums. And
Ascesis came in pretty hot with their own litany of insults, so
no side here is perfect by that criteria. People in general just
suck, and it’s very difficult for people to converse without
their ego swaying their behavior in some way. That’s something
that I personally try to avoid
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Junito18 Date: May 8, 2023, 4:06 pm
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"An end to all tribalist or generally violence-initiating
bloodlines would defacto make this a reality, or as close to a
reality as it can possibly get before a theoretical final
victory is achieved."
Would it? Can you give me an example of a non-tribalist,
non-violence-initiating bloodline, given that you are now
categorising people based on geographical ethnic origin?
"So then what do you make of the data, and historical
experience?"
I addressed that in the comment I made about the scientific
method and the example I gave of the MOSFET.
"I have yet to come across any online or real life circle that
doesn’t fit this bill."
Very well. Then I shall leave you with some insults as well. You
call yourselves Leftists. In my mind, "Leftist" has become
synonymous with "hypocrite" and you have all certainly earned
that title. I want you to burn this image deep into your mind:
Somewhere in the world, delendaestziobot is sitting at his
computer in his My Little Pony pyjamas laughing at what this
site has become. Have a nice day.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: SirGalahad Date: May 8, 2023, 4:43 pm
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“Would it? Can you give me an example of a non-tribalist,
non-violence-initiating bloodline, given that you are now
categorising people based on geographical ethnic origin?”
The one that we’re trying to promote, although Aryans are simply
better in terms of degree. Anything born down here is
immediately subject to potential spiritual corruption, no matter
how noble it is, and regardless of its genetic makeup. Which is
why I specified “as close to a reality as possible”
“I addressed that in the comment I made about the scientific
method and the example I gave of the MOSFET.“
I don’t really find it convincing
“Very well. Then I shall leave you with some insults as well.”
Then you’re not any better, because you’re not only stooping to
the same level as some other people here, but you’re also
directing it towards me when I never made any personal insults
to you and explained that I avoid that sort of thing for the
reasons I just described. Why complain if you don’t actually
opposite it, but only oppose it when it’s being done to you or
someone you support?
“In my mind, ‘Leftist’ has become synonymous with ‘hypocrite’”
Which is what the powers that be want you to think, so that
leftism won’t be reinvigorated and turned into something
internally consistent and competent. I won’t let people who call
themselves leftists, and how the media and social media portrays
leftists, influence my perception. It’s not a coincidence that
the whole anti-SJW thing became a sudden massive trend online in
2015 and 2016. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that it was
spearheaded by right leaning Jews like Ben Shapiro. Remember
that we are Gnostics, and Gnosticism is the true left-hand path,
as opposed to Satanism (which incorrectly conflates the Devil
with Lucifer). The swastika plastered on this movement is the
left-turning swastika. Remember that there are still two sides
here. Good isn’t bad just because bad often masquerades within
goodness
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 8, 2023, 4:45 pm
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"Would it? Can you give me an example of a non-tribalist,
non-violence-initiating bloodline, given that you are now
categorising people based on geographical ethnic origin?"
I'm not sure what the "geographical ethnic origin" of Capybaras
are, but I'm pretty certain they could not be classified as
Turanian or Gentile by Aryanist standards:
[quote]You see, capybaras really don't pose any threat to anyone
around them, so most animals just leave them be. Capybaras have
made friends with anything from cats and dogs to birds and
monkeys! In addition, capybaras are quite caring creatures, who
often “adopt” orphaned animals of other species.[/quote]
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 8, 2023, 4:51 pm
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This is what basic literacy looks like:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19308/#msg19308
Just one thing:
"even if Jesus were from a Jewish lineage, he himself would not
be Jewish because he stayed celibate"
This is correct.
"They claim to reject their Jewish identity, but then proceed to
reproduce with another Jewish person"
Even reproducing with a non-Jew would still make the subject
Jewish, as they are choosing to pass down Jewish blood (from
their own side). If Jesus had reproduced with a non-Jew, he
would be considered Jewish.
"Similar logic is being applied to “white” people in this
context."
Yes. For example, these guys are still "white":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg8300/#msg8300
In contrast, so long as Delport practices what he preaches:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg8536/#msg8536
I would not consider him "white".
"the MOSFET, which is the specific type of transistor used in
modern computers, was invented by a Korean and an Arab."
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET#History
[quote]The basic principle of this kind of transistor was first
patented by Julius Edgar Lilienfeld in 1925.[1]
The structure resembling the MOS transistor was proposed by Bell
scientists William Shockley, John Bardeen and Walter Houser
Brattain, during their investigation that led to discovery of
the transistor effect. The structure failed to show the
anticipated effects, due to the problem of surface state: traps
on the semiconductor surface that hold electrons immobile. In
1955 Carl Frosch and L. Derick accidentally grew a layer of
silicon dioxide over the silicon wafer. Further research showed
that silicon dioxide could prevent dopants from diffusing into
the silicon wafer. Building on this work Mohamed M. Atalla
showed that silicon dioxide is very effective in solving the
problem of one important class of surface states.[3][/quote]
Would Atalla still have invented MOSFET if all the yellow
circles on the graph had been erased in the 10th century? Not
only would he not have the earlier work on transistors to build
on, but also:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_M._Atalla
[quote]Mohamed Mohamed Atalla[2][3][4] was born in Port Said,
Kingdom of Egypt.[5] He studied at Cairo University in Egypt,
where he received his Bachelor of Science degree.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_University#History
[quote]Cairo University was founded as a European-inspired civil
university, in contrast to the religious university of Al
Azhar[/quote]
Cairo University would not exist to start him off down his path.
And so on.
"It took centuries of trial and error and fumbling about with
things such as alchemy for Europeans to create the scientific
method. The idea that they are genetically predisposed towards
empirical thinking"
My claim is more like they are genetically predisposed towards
fumbling (what Duchesne accurately calls "restlessness"). Your
own description of them in your first sentence would seem to
agree with this.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 8, 2023, 7:50 pm
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@Junito
Hell yes. The complete ambiguity of the word "white" itself is
alone proven by how 90sRF bounces between all of its different
micro-defintions. Then, he complains when someone tries to make
a distinction between them. "When did I say 'beige skin'!?! You
are illiterate!!!".
Its important to remember how, like you and I have been saying,
using broad geographical racial categorizations used to be
something we'd frown upon tribalists for. Now, its something
90sRF openly wants to accentuate in people. A friend of mine,
despite not even being an Aryanist, was today still able to
remark to me that this fixation on identity politics goes
against the very foundations of Aryanism. I don't mean to
disregard everything else you have pointed out, but everything
else I honestly have to say there that I'm relieved to see
someone else is calling all of this out.
Its a shame that Aryanists are either too naively gung-ho for
the blind obedience larp to listen to their reason, or too
understandably put off — yet flightish — to try to save
something beautiful from rotting.
>Can I give you a piece of advice? You say you want to create a
new movement to restore the original version of Aryanism, but
why? You should just ditch the ideology and start from scratch.
Aryanism is simply my life's purpose. For years, I've suffered,
accomplished, and transformed in pursuit of becoming a higher
version of myself, for the sake of Aryanism. I hate to sound
pretentiously vague but if you were one of my close friends,
you'd know what I'm talking about. Don't get me wrong, my
loyalty is ultimately to Aryanism as a ideal, not "Aryanism" as
a dysfunctional community. Ascesis is just my last ditch attempt
to restore Aryanism as a community, because I still care about
everyone here.
After all of my insights and experiences, I feel like I owe it
at least that. This way, I can be rest assured knowing that I at
least tried to save this wordlessly beautiful source of idealism
and inspiration from fading into the Abyss, if it truly is
destined to do so. But even then, there is really nothing
stopping us from pretending that 90sRF never existed and
"marketing" Ascesis to completely new people, if we want. Worst
case scenario, all of us over here at Ascesis will simply carry
the torch by through pragmatic expression of Aryanism in the
real world, if that answers your question.
>Yeah, it was better than this new site but are you really
convinced that it was completely correct?
Not completely per se, no. But I've always been comfortable with
adhering to a dynamic worldview that acknowledges its faults,
and changes in order to reach its ultimate mission. I never saw
Aryanism as a static and ritualistic doctrine. Realistically,
there are just as many "Aryanisms" as there are Aryanists, so I
won't pretend that "Ascesian" Aryanism does not provide
innovations upon the original material. But at the end of the
day, this is and always will be Aryanism.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 8, 2023, 8:14 pm
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>They have explicitly stated that white-passing people who
reject whiteness aren’t “white”, regardless of their genetic
makeup.
And my point is that most people who currently call themselves
"white" do so apolitically, and would be happy to not do so if
made aware that the option existed.
>their issue is that it gets messy if the person in question
decides to actually reproduce. Let’s take a Jewish person. They
claim to reject their Jewish identity, but then proceed to
reproduce with another Jewish person, creating even more ethnic
Jews, many of which will decide to self-identify as Jewish when
they get older, even if the parent continues to not
self-identify as such. The person in this example is still
functionally Jewish. Even if they aren’t trying to deceive and
genuinely claim to not care about Jewish identity, they still
ended up directly furthering the genetic imperative of the tribe
they say that they don’t care to belong to.
"Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual
homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people
too? Don't get me wrong, just saying that "whiteppl suck" isn't
enough. Autarkic living, and a complete moral paradigm shift
needs to follow. But this applies to everyone else as well, not
just "whites".
>invented the MOS transistor specifically
A technological innovation, nevertheless. Let's kill all Arabs &
Koreans! But if we're not going to get them for technocracy,
then why not get them for other moral issues?
>claimed that non-whites are incapable of furthering machinism?
Well his highly-documentated inability to acknowledge that
anti-tech "whites" exist, and pro-tech "non-whites" exist, and
that the problem is with technocrats, not a broad ethnic group,
does a damn good job at making it seem like he is allergic to
this nuance.
>you take on all the burdens of that construct by
self-identifying under that construct... They were using the
data of white tribalists, against white tribalists)
Whether you like it or not, treating everyone who passively
refers to themselves as "white" are not making an (un)conscious
declaration that they are a tribalist.
>“black” for example (which is another concept that was
fabricated by the same exact people who fabricated whiteness
Who are dead. Slave identities are slave identities. Are you
going to bring people together in pursuit of a common ideal by
saying everyone but this one group of people can be racist?
>We perceive people on a case by case basis.
But every retail worker apolitically calling themselves "white"
needs to be sterilized, got it. Wait, what do you mean they're
becoming self-hating idiots reinforcing everyone else's racist
egos? What do you mean they're choosing extreme arrogance over
extreme submission, and becoming racist themselves?
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 8, 2023, 8:27 pm
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>And Ascesis came in pretty hot with their own litany of
insults,
If I ever insulted anyone, it was an insult, not an Ad
Hominem-Strawman as it was for 90sRF. I only really went off
after winning the debate, wherein 90sRF would just twist my
words to insult/Ad Hominem/Strawman me. Deal with eight Goddamn
pages of verbal Jewry from 90sRF, and you'd want to call him a
Jew too. He is notorious for being a cúnt to people, he needs to
be made fun of.
If you simply don't like that kind of tension in general, fine.
But you are lying to yourself if you pretend this isn't
warranted.
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