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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 2, 2023, 12:07 am
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"How about you start with yourself?"
I am already voluntarily refraining from reproducing.
"something they didn't do"
By celebrating and defending those who did it, and keeping and
continuing to pass down what they inherited from those who did
it, they are doing it.
"Isn't the point here to transcend the "black" and "white" slave
identities? Why reinforce them?"
I have never reinforced "black" identity, quite the contrary:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg15836/#msg15836
"White" identity is a not a slave identity, but an enslaver
identity. Their victims need to know who the enslavers are in
order to fight them effectively:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/
You sound like LaCour/Levitt:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/msg15977/#msg15977
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 11:13 am
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>I am already voluntarily refraining from reproducing.
Stupendous. But will you ever realize that telling randos that
they need to be sterilized for being related to someone bad, is
only going to make them identify with that person? This is basic
Backlash Herding, and you are only giving tribalists ammunition.
>By celebrating and defending those who did it, and keeping and
continuing to pass down what they inherited from those who did
it, they are doing it.
Sorry to break it to you, but most "white" Americans don't want
slavery back. Treat them like they do, and they actually will.
"White" identity is a not a slave identity, but an enslaver
identity.
I don't care, slave identities are just as bad as enslaver
identities. You can't bolster one without stimulating the other.
Yes, "blacks" have to deal with racism but it is far more
socially acceptable for "blacks" (and "non-whites" in general)
to be "racially aware", which only prompts "white" people to ask
why they don't get to be racist either.
But I'm not going to get into a pissing match over who is most
oppressed (as tribalists do). Rather, I will remind you that
"black" people have their clothing and electronics made in
sweatshops just as much as "whites" do. Both sides are being
screwed by the same system that keeps them fighting each other,
rather than the ones actually in control. If you think one
faction is better because they might get less goy biscuits than
the other, you have completely missed the point.
>I have never reinforced "black" identity,
By talking about killing anyone who passively refers to
themselves as "white", you ARE reinforcing these fake
identities. You can't tell people to be ashamed of their
ancestry but then expect them to not eventually take pride in
it. You want self-hatred, racists want arrogance. The identity
politics remain either way.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 11:22 am
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Is this seriously the best you can do? No wonder you've confined
this account from posting anywhere else. But its okay, I
actually find it hilarious because I know this is going to turn
out like last time; everyone seeing you lose the argument, and
you deleting it to pretend you didn't.
I want you to remember that Ascesis would have never happened
were you not such an insufferable prick incapable of admitting
to being wrong. You can kick this can down the road, but the
more you do so, the more it becomes clear to everyone how out of
touch you are with yourself. Your choice old man.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 2, 2023, 3:58 pm
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"But will you ever realize that telling randos that they need to
be sterilized for being related to someone bad, is only going to
make them identify with that person?"
That is their fault, not mine. And their reaction only further
proves my point.
"most "white" Americans don't want slavery back."
When do the "white" Manifest Destiny occupiers (which I what I
think you mean) intend to return the land they stole? I am not
even demanding that they personally emigrate. All they need to
do is refrain from reproducing, and the land will cease to be
inherited by their descendants. They refuse to do even this.
This tells us all we need to know about them.
"Treat them like they do, and they actually will."
Which will prove my point about them.
If X steals from Y, then Z inherits the stolen item from X, and
Z refuses to return it to Y on the grounds that Z was not the
one who personally stole it, what does that tell us about Z? And
should we listen to someone (you) who then argues Z should not
be blamed because blaming Z might lead to Z stealing even more
stuff from Y?
"slave identities are just as bad as enslaver identities."
I agree. And "whites" invented "black"/"brown"/"yellow"/etc.
identities as well as the "white" identity.
"You can't bolster one without stimulating the other."
I am not bolstering them. If I were, I would not be using ""
around them.
"it is far more socially acceptance for "blacks" (and
"non-whites" in general) to be "racially aware""
It is socially acceptable for "non-whites" to be aware of who is
oppressing them. As it should be.
"prompts "white" people to ask why they don't get to be racist
either."
Whereupon we can give them the answer: they were the ones who
invented the "white"/"non-white" ingroup-outgroup distinction!
It is racism (and therefore despicable) for the ingroup to
discriminate against the outgroup. It is anti-racism (and
therefore admirable) for the outgroup to discriminate in
retaliation against the ingroup. It is folkism (and therefore
admirable) for different identities (also invented by the
ingroup) of the outgroup to ignore those identities in order to
unify against the ingroup.
"I will remind you that "black" people have their clothing and
electronics made in sweatshops just as much as "whites" do."
Which gene pool invented electronics?
"the ones actually in control."
The same gene pool which invented electronics is the one
actually controlling what the future will be like by its ongoing
inventions:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
To prevent this future, which gene pool must be eliminated?
"By talking about killing anyone who passively refers to
themselves as "white", you ARE reinforcing these fake
identities."
Any "non-white" who still uses an identity (e.g. "black") given
to them by "whites" does not yet hate "whites" enough.
Encouraging hatred towards "whites" will lead to disgust towards
identities invented by "whites", and hence ceasing to use them.
"You can't tell people to be ashamed of their ancestry but then
expect them to not eventually take pride in it."
That is their fault, not mine. In any case, I am not addressing
"whites" in the first place. I am addressing their victims.
I am telling their victims: there is nothing wrong with wanting
to kill your oppressors.
You are telling their victims: wanting to kill your oppressors
might upset your oppressors.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: FRG_03 Date: May 2, 2023, 5:03 pm
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This struggle is hard enough without factionalism. If you really
are aryan and have the ability to make propaganda, videos, and
have organization skills then be the change you want without
petty arguing.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 5:51 pm
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>That is their fault, not mine. And their reaction only further
proves my point.
Gahahhahahaha for someone who supposedly makes compassion the
focus of their worldview, you certainly understand nothing about
people. Are you comfortable with Backlash Herding then? Are you
going to forget how raceless and malleable people are? Is that
really it?
Because I can go to the same exact people you speak of, and
invite them to work with their neighbors (regardless of
ethnicity) to create community organizations that help
facilitate Folkic celebrations and grassroots social services
that brings their community together. Which method, my good
friend, do you think actually reduces racial tensions?
>When do the "white" Manifest Destiny occupiers (which I what I
think you mean) intend to return the land they stole? I am not
even demanding that they personally emigrate. All they need to
do is refrain from reproducing, and the land will cease to be
inherited by their descendants. They refuse to do even this.
This tells us all we need to know about them.
Many "white" people are not related to Western colonizers, do
they get the Gulag too? I don't think Native people are too
happy with "blacks" and "Asians" occupying their land either.
Are you going to flip out when they refuse to refrain from
reproducing? We all know Natalists suck, but your misanthropy
has clearly made you delusional and politically useless.
>Which will prove my point about them.
No you idiot. If I were to make fun of you for being short,
you'd probably end up finding a way to be proud of being short,
even if its something you didn't care about before. Replace
"shortness" with something actually bad, and the same affect
occurs.
>If X steals from Y, then Z inherits the stolen item from X, and
Z refuses to return it to Y on the grounds that Z was not the
one who personally stole it, what does that tell us about Z?
This isn't even what we were talking about, you are strawmanning
me with the backdrop of the random context you inserted. What do
you want then, to empty America of all "white" people? To where,
Europe? Return land to their ethnic Natives? Cool way to prevent
ethnostates bro.
>And should we listen to someone (you) who then argues Z should
not be blamed because blaming Z might lead to Z stealing even
more stuff from Y?
I want Americans to recognize the ignobility the US was founded
upon, and then come together to move forward and avoid those
mistakes. You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for
something bad that they were not responsible for, and act
surprised when they choose arrogance rather than self-hatred.
>"whites" invented "black"/"brown"/"yellow"/etc. identities as
well as the "white" identity.
Either all Americans drop the identity politics, or no one does.
Full stop.
>I am not bolstering them. If I were, I would not be using ""
around them.
I am going to call someone a piece of "shít" and then say that I
didn't mean it, because I put quotes around "shít".
>It is socially acceptable for "non-whites" to be aware of who
is oppressing them. As it should be.
You think "blacks" don't get screwed over people within "their
own" group, or don't get help from those outside of it? Yes,
"blacks" have to deal with racism and that should be addressed.
But you don't seem to realize that the "blacks" being ACTUALLY
oppressed like no other are the nine year olds in lithium mines,
not consumerist Americans.
>Which gene pool invented electronics?
Which gene pools USE and IMPROVE them? Hint: virtually of them.
Whatever happened to treating people like individuals?
>The same gene pool which invented electronics is the one
actually controlling what the future will be like by its ongoing
inventions
You really are doing Wignats a great service by attributing
every modern invention to "whites" LOL. Besides, if you're
concerned about electronics, then the [s]demographic[/s] "gene
pool" to oppose are the technocrats. And surprise! You'll find
Technocrats everywhere; a marvel of human diversity if you ask
me.
>Any "non-white" who still uses an identity (e.g. "black") given
to them by "whites" does not yet hate "whites" enough.
Encouraging hatred towards "whites" will lead to disgust towards
identities invented by "whites", and hence ceasing to use them.
So you want people to hate identity politics by using identity
politics to defeat identity politics? Truly a stroke of genius,
I think I get it now.
This demonstrably does not work. BLM riled up quite a bit of
hatred towards "whites" but did it cause "blacks" to drop their
tribal consciousness? Nope, it only skyrocketed. Did it make
"whites" any less racist? Nope, it only popularized racist
groups.
>That is their fault, not mine. In any case, I am not addressing
"whites" in the first place. I am addressing their victims.
Uhhh no. There are really no true complete living victims in the
West. Everyone lives off of the suffering of animals, the
devastation of the Earth, past genocides, and neocolonialism.
Anything beyond that is a pissing match between people arguing
who is getting screwed over less. Besides, hasn't this entire
conversation been about the need to instill some good ole
"white" guilt?
>I am telling their victims: there is nothing wrong with wanting
to kill your oppressors. You are telling their victims: wanting
to kill your oppressors might upset your oppressors.
Nope. I am saying that this is a classic case of slavemasters
strategically throwing goy biscuits into a crowd to make
different factions within it turn on each other, rather than
charge into the bank.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 5:58 pm
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>factionalism
I'm not the one rewritting the main site boyo.
"Ascesis supports the original Aryanist ideal, as it was
outlined on the main site for over a decade. If we're
"factionalists" because we independently pursue success
according to the original ideal, rather than allow Aryanism to
fade into oblivion, then so be it. But like it or not, it takes
more than a rule flatly saying "no factionalism" to prevent
factionalism."
HTML http://ascesis.a0001.net/updates/faq/?i=1
>be change you want without petty arguing.
I think it'd be reasonable for you to infer that forum posting
isn't our only form of action. I'm here because I care about
this community, and I don't want to see it poisoned anymore.
You're right though, this entire conversation is petty and
stupid. But if that applies to me, then that applies to 90sRF as
well. Its embarassing that Aryanism has come to this; this is
why Ascesis was created.
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Tyranny Date: May 2, 2023, 6:58 pm
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"Why You All Suck"
"I care about the members of this community..."
Whilst failing to tell us why we all suck mind you?
Cool story bro! ??? ;D
You really believe everyone is stupid and you are some kind of
genius don't you? How "white" of you!!! Rofl!
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 2, 2023, 8:12 pm
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"Gahahhahahaha for someone who supposedly makes compassion the
focus of their worldview, you certainly understand nothing about
people."
"Gahahhahahaha" why should anyone have compassion for their
enemies? Aryanists have compassion for the children of their
enemies, that's about it...
By the way, "Gulag" is a Soviet\Communist\Jewish\Western word:
[quote]The Gulag[c][d][10][11][9] was the government agency in
charge of the Soviet network of forced labour camps which were
set up by order of Vladimir Lenin, reaching its peak during
Joseph Stalin's rule from the 1930s to the early 1950s.[12]
English-language speakers also use the word gulag in reference
to each of the forced-labor camps that existed in the Soviet
Union, including the camps that existed in the post-Lenin
era.[13][14] The full official name of the agency changed
several times.
The Gulag is recognized as a major instrument of political
repression in the Soviet Union. The camps housed a wide range of
convicts, from petty criminals to political prisoners, a large
number of whom were convicted by simplified procedures, such as
NKVD troikas or other instruments of extrajudicial punishment.
In 1918–1922, the agency was administered by the Cheka, followed
by the GPU (1922–1923), the OGPU (1923–1934), later known as the
NKVD (1934–1946), and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in
the final years. The Solovki prison camp, the first correctional
labour camp which was constructed after the revolution, was
opened in 1918 and legalized by a decree, "On the creation of
the forced-labor camps", on April 15, 1919...[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
Why do you find it so difficult to not be "white"?:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/
"Ascesis supports the original Aryanist ideal, as it was
outlined on the main site for over a decade."
Please explain the "Aryanist ideal" that you supported "decades"
ago, which has somehow changed present day, or are you full of
horse shyte?
BONUS SONG:
Why Reconcile?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcxBwuvCjFw
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Re: Why You All Suck
By: Ascesis Date: May 2, 2023, 8:14 pm
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>"Why You All Suck"... "I care about the members of this
community..."
If you think that's bad, consider how 90sRF talks to people on
the regular. There's a reason why so many people have left
Aryanism over the years, and that's one of them.
>Whilst failing to tell us why we all suck mind you?
Hi flake. Did you not read the FAQ? Its posted in this thread:
HTML http://ascesis.a0001.net/updates/faq/
To be fair, you would have been able to see it better if this
account wasn't censored (all of my posts are redirected to this
thread), but holy śhit does it speak volumes that you guys
seem to love critiquing Ascesis without actually reading its
material.
>You really believe everyone is stupid and you are some kind of
genius don't you? How "white" of you!!! Rofl!
Do you? Because I never said that.
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