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Re: Buddhism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2024, 5:01 pm
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"Would you consider Buddhism a gnostic religion?"
Yes.
"I recalled earlier how you talked about most Aryans not being
"heritable gnostics", which means that Aryan religion itself is
not necessarily gnostic?"
Recall our definition of "religion":
[quote]The word “religion” derives from the roots ”re-” +
“legere” meaning “to go through again”, in other words to
personally reiterate the spiritual journey of the founder, which
is precisely what we expect of the genuinely religious. It is
this that distinguishes the teachings of religion, which are
based heavily on the personality and life story of the founder,
from the teachings of philosophy, in which only the concepts
matter irrespective of who proposed them where and when. Rudolf
Hess implicitly declared himself a religious Hitlerist when he
said: “Be true to Hitler’s spirit! Ask in all that you do: What
would the Fuehrer do?” It is therefore our duty not to discard
the word “religion” from our vocabulary, but to reclaim it from
its negative present-day misassociations with tradition, ritual
and fundamentalism and restore it to its true and simple
meaning: emulation of a heroic individual example. On this
account, and in keeping with the National Socialist emphasis of
Fuehrerprinzip, we further recommend limiting the use of the
word “religion” to describe only those systems which originate
from a single, clearly identified founder. Systems which have no
single founder offer no opportunity for followers to reiterate
the journey of the founder, and therefore are not religions, but
merely traditions.[/quote]
The part in bold can be done without committing to a particular
cosmological theory.
"I would consider Jainism the most Aryan religion alive today,
but I would not consider it a gnostic religion."
Can you elaborate?
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Re: Buddhism
By: rp Date: April 13, 2024, 5:32 pm
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Jainism is focused on reducing initiated violence toward all
living things (including non humans), but it is not gnostic in
the sense that it views the material world as an evil prison.
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Re: Buddhism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2024, 6:01 pm
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra_(Jainism)
[quote]Thus to reflect on the nature of mundane existence is
contemplation on worldly existence. He who contemplates thus is
alarmed at the miseries of transmigration and becomes disgusted
with worldly existence. And he who is disgusted with it
endeavours to free himself from it.[4]
[/quote]
Is this not close enough?
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Re: Buddhism
By: rp Date: April 13, 2024, 6:09 pm
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I see. But then what did you mean by "heritable gnostics".
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Re: Buddhism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2024, 6:26 pm
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It is extremely difficult for heritable Gnosticism to persist
under natural selection, as a hypothetical Gnostic mutation
causing Gnosticism to theoretically become heritable would also
cause the carrier to almost certainly voluntarily refrain from
reproducing, thus would eliminate itself within one generation.
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Re: Buddhism
By: rp Date: April 13, 2024, 7:00 pm
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So are you saying those Aryans which did not reproduce (most
likely due to being heritable Gnostics) are superior to those
who did? But imagine if all Aryans were heritable Gnostics:
Aryan blood would surely have disappeared from the face of the
Earth.
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Re: Buddhism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2024, 7:48 pm
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"Aryans which did not reproduce (most likely due to being
heritable Gnostics) are superior to those who did?"
In the same circumstances, yes.
"But imagine if all Aryans were heritable Gnostics: Aryan blood
would surely have disappeared from the face of the Earth."
Exactly. This is why we need National Socialism, which via state
control over reproduction is the only way to keep heritable
Gnostic bloodlines around long enough to outlast non-Aryan and
even non-heritable-Gnostic Aryan bloodlines. This is why (is
SirGalahad paying attention?) National Socialism can be
interpreted as a form of Pure Land Buddhism: once we have only
heritable Gnostic bloodlines remaining, we can get out of here
in one lifetime, exactly as promised.
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Re: Buddhism
By: SirGalahad Date: April 13, 2024, 8:06 pm
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My problem with Pure Land Buddhism is its reliance on a chant to
a character called Amitabha Buddha, in order to reach a higher
realm where achieving enlightenment is supposedly more
conducive. The first reason why I object to it, is because the
whole point of the Buddha’s teachings, was that you needed to
put in the work yourself, to be reborn in a higher realm. You
don’t just pray to a Buddha in the hopes that they’ll take you
to a Buddhaland themselves. The other reason why I don’t think
it makes sense, is because it’s significantly more defeatist
than the other sects of Buddhism right from the beginning. Even
though any lay Buddhist could theoretically become a monk RIGHT
NOW and achieve enlightenment within this life time, Pure Land
Buddhists just procrastinate and wait until they’re transported
by Amitabha Buddha to a pure land. All lay Buddhists are
technically procrastinators, but Pure Land Buddhism takes that
up to a doctrinal level, which I take issue with
Maybe I just don’t know enough about Pure Land Buddhism, but I
find it inauthentic in terms of what I think the Buddha actually
said and taught. Also, didn’t you imply in our earlier
discussion that you consider Theravada more authentic than
Mahayana in general anyways? Or are you simply siding with Pure
Land Buddhists for pragmatic reasons, similar to the ones that
you mentioned earlier for Mahayana?
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Re: Buddhism
By: rp Date: April 13, 2024, 8:22 pm
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"Exactly. This is why we need National Socialism, which via
state control over reproduction is the only way to keep
heritable Gnostic bloodlines around long enough to outlast
non-Aryan and even non-heritable-Gnostic Aryan bloodlines"
Ok. But how would you identify a heritable Gnostic Aryan as
opposed to a non heritable Gnostic Aryan? What specific
character trait (if any) separates the two?
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Re: Buddhism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2024, 8:31 pm
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"You don’t just pray to a Buddha in the hopes that they’ll take
you to a Buddhaland themselves."
I agree, but these are the people who can't get there within the
foreseeable future anyway, even if they put the work in. Yet if
they are putting the work in, we become obligated to guide them
as best we can, thereby reducing the time we can spend guiding
those who actually stand a chance. Better to just tell the
former group to just wait for their bloodlines to disappear.
This is what:
"reliance on a chant to a character called Amitabha Buddha"
really means.
"in order to reach a higher realm where achieving enlightenment
is supposedly more conducive."
This is indeed the case, because the higher realm is the one
with their bloodlines absent.
"It is less a matter of artificially improving the existing
generation - which, owing to human characteristics, is
impossible in ninety-nine cases out of a hundred - and more a
matter of securing from the very start a better road for future
development." - Adolf Hitler
"Even though any lay Buddhist could theoretically become a monk
RIGHT NOW and achieve enlightenment within this life time, Pure
Land Buddhists just procrastinate and wait until they’re
transported by Amitabha Buddha to a pure land."
Do you really want to manage an overwhelming majority of
inferior monks who will not only fail to achieve enlightenment
but also probably corrupt the monastery? Procrastinating might
be the least harmful thing they can do.
"didn’t you imply in our earlier discussion that you consider
Theravada more authentic than Mahayana in general anyways?"
Please link to the exact quote.
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