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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: SimplestExplanation
Date: November 10, 2023, 7:39 pm
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Why Liberals Can't Counter Conspiracy Theories
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVy_a9u8CeQ
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> The reality unfortunately is alot less awesome though. The
truth is that a chemical company was just left unchecked, thus
was able to very freely spread a questionable herbicide far and
wide, predictably resulting in ecological side effects. The frog
hormone imbalance thing actually does not seem like that big of
a deal at all when compared to alot of the other actually nasty
stuff this herbicide is alleged to do. To put this all in simple
terms, this is caused by, well, capitalism... — BadEmpanada
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To put it in simple terms from a True Left perspective, this is
not caused by "capitalism", it is caused by Western
Civilization, because capitalism predates western civilization
and the poisoning of this planet and life on a mass scale does
not predate western civilization. Therefore, western
civilization is the root cause of this problem, not the economic
system it happens to employ. (This is not an endorsement of
capitalism).
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/china-the-ocean-is-not-japan's-trash-can/<br
/> (Seriousness about environmentalism).
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 10, 2023, 7:53 pm
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"capitalism predates western civilization"
Capitalism is generally considered to date back to the
Renaissance:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#History
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> Capitalism, in its modern form, can be traced to the emergence
of agrarian capitalism and mercantilism in the early
Renaissance, in city-states like Florence.[32]
> ...
> The economic foundations of the feudal agricultural system
began to shift substantially in 16th-century England as the
manorial system had broken down and land began to become
concentrated in the hands of fewer landlords with increasingly
large estates. Instead of a serf-based system of labor, workers
were increasingly employed as part of a broader and expanding
money-based economy. The system put pressure on both landlords
and tenants to increase the productivity of agriculture to make
profit; the weakened coercive power of the aristocracy to
extract peasant surpluses encouraged them to try better methods,
and the tenants also had incentive to improve their methods in
order to flourish in a competitive labor market. Terms of rent
for land were becoming subject to economic market forces rather
than to the previous stagnant system of custom and feudal
obligation.[35][36]
> ...
> The economic doctrine prevailing from the 16th to the 18th
centuries is commonly called mercantilism.[37][38] This period,
the Age of Discovery, was associated with the geographic
exploration of foreign lands by merchant traders, especially
from England and the Low Countries. Mercantilism was a system of
trade for profit, although commodities were still largely
produced by non-capitalist methods.[39] Most scholars consider
the era of merchant capitalism and mercantilism as the origin of
modern capitalism,[38][40] although Karl Polanyi argued that the
hallmark of capitalism is the establishment of generalized
markets for what he called the "fictitious commodities", i.e.
land, labor and money. Accordingly, he argued that "not until
1834 was a competitive labor market established in England,
hence industrial capitalism as a social system cannot be said to
have existed before that date".[41]
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> England began a large-scale and integrative approach to
mercantilism during the Elizabethan Era (1558–1603).
>
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I do agree, though, that what caused this is not capitalism, but
(the even more uniquely Western) organic chemistry:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbicide#History
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> The first modern herbicide, 2,4-D, was first discovered and
synthesized by W. G. Templeman at Imperial Chemical Industries.
> ...
> Independently, a team under Juda Hirsch Quastel, working at
the Rothamsted Experimental Station made the same discovery.
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[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/2%2C4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic_acid_structure.svg[/img]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg16015/#msg16015
But because Western science is literally worshipped by
progressives/False Leftists, they prefer to attack capitalism
instead.
By the way:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juda_Hirsch_Quastel
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> Categories: ... British Jews Jewish scientists
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: SimplestExplanation
Date: November 10, 2023, 8:01 pm
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"Capitalism is generally considered to date back to the
Renaissance:"
Some people often say ancient Rome and Greece were "fully
functioning capitalist societies", I realize after you brought
it up why it is better to attach capitalism to the Renaissance
though.
Capitalism in Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece: Risk and
Unethical Business
HTML https://digitalworks.union.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1697&context=theses
Hilarious to note that the author of the above is named Sam
Goldman. Perhaps this is another example of backlash herding?
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: rp
Date: December 6, 2024, 2:08 am
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OT0wOHWDg
Although Jones's call to destroy the world to prevent post
humanism could be interpreted as anti Yahwist.
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 6, 2024, 2:44 am
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Jones is less annoying than Kulinski in this one video if taken
in isolation. Kulinski's materialist smugness here is an
excellent example of why I despise False Leftists, whereas
Jones' only objectionable rhetoric here is his MAP-phobia.
What leftism needs is not Kulinski, but a leftist version of
Jones. Those whom we need to stop are not corporations (and
definitely not MAPs), but Western machinists.
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: rp
Date: December 6, 2024, 5:52 am
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"Jones is less annoying than Kulinski in this one video if taken
in isolation. Kulinski's materialist smugness here is an
excellent example of why I despise False Leftists, whereas
Jones' only objectionable rhetoric here is his MAP-phobia."
I agree. But what's funny is that Jones now sounds like one of
those Megachurch preachers he used to rail against in the 00s.
"What leftism needs is not Kulinski, but a leftist version of
Jones. Those whom we need to stop are not corporations (and
definitely not MAPs), but Western machinists."
I agree. It is also worth pointing out that Jones himself is not
anti machinist (as I have elsewhere).
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: rp
Date: December 7, 2024, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> Jones is less annoying than Kulinski in this one video if
taken in isolation. Kulinski's materialist smugness here is an
excellent example of why I despise False Leftists, whereas
Jones' only objectionable rhetoric here is his MAP-phobia.
>
> What leftism needs is not Kulinski, but a leftist version of
Jones. Those whom we need to stop are not corporations (and
definitely not MAPs), but Western machinists.
>
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JAM comes to mind.
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Re: False Left: "Conspiracy Theories" and the Right
DIR By: rp
Date: December 12, 2024, 2:32 am
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I noticed that most of the False Left anti Israel crowd doesn't
bring up the 9/11 false flag or the "Holocaust". Probably
because they separate Jewish identity from Israel.
But equally annoying is the fact that most of the people who do
bring it up are rightists (which doesn't even make sense: many
of them gradually began accepting that Muslims are the bad guys
anyway).
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
DIR By: Onoda Hiroo
Date: September 13, 2025, 1:33 pm
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I was as also critical of Kirk for his subservience to Israel,
however during the final weeks to the end of his life he
criticised the Jews and linked Epstein to Israeli government
blackmailing operation.
Despite Kirk's criticism being mostly wrongheaded, failing to
see "cultural Marxism" as a mere tool of provocation to Zionism,
perhaps he was the sort of person to wake up to the bigger
picture of the Zionist dialectic.
Kirk was also regularly providing a speaking platform to
anti-Zionists, to whom he would lose in ethical debate, despite
video titles such as "Charlie Kirk destroys leftist veteran on
9/11".
As for ZOG planting a German Mauser bolt-action in the woods and
transgender-ideology-engraved ammunition, even a child can point
out that they went too far. The Mauser is 1.25 metres long and
doesn't disassemble without removing foot long screws, and even
then it would not fit in the 2 foot carry case seen in the roof
dismount footage.
They're saying the shooter, Tyler Robinson, is Antifa. Needless
to say, I don't buy it. Even the decoy "Zinn" was a Jew.
Meanwhile Netanyahu is doing a media tour rambling about how
Israel had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 13, 2025, 5:18 pm
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The best thing to do right now is to wait to see if Robinson
mysteriously dies before trial. If he does, it would fit the
usual modus operandi. If he does not, on the other hand, we can
listen to what Robinson himself has to say about what he was
doing and why. I caution against jumping to conclusions at this
early stage, especially since False Leftists seem to be as
hellbent on dissociating* the left from the shooting as
rightists are eager to pin it on the left, both sides
exaggerating whatever appears to reinforce their interpretation
and ignoring whatever does not fit it.)
(* Until the left inclines towards taking credit for such
actions, there is no hope for leftist victory.)
Finally, I would like to note:
HTML https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/media/over-10k-posts-tie-charlie-kirks-murder-to-israel-as-conspiracy-theories-explode-online-adl-report/
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> Jackson Hinkle, a 25-year-old known for amplifying pro-Putin
propaganda, wrote in an incendiary post on Wednesday that Kirk
“used to be an Israel loyalist … He feared ‘Israel would kill
him’ … He started *mildly* criticizing Israel.”
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