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       Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
       By: antihellenistic Date: October 29, 2023, 1:32 am
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       Origin of Eugenics
       [quote]Early Eugenics
       Man is instinctively eugenic: the most capable men have sought
       and been encouraged to mate with the healthiest women. Legal
       prohibitions against inbreeding, due evidently to an
       understanding of the increased chance of unhealthy offspring,
       are found as far back as the Code of Hammurabi (c. 1750 B.C.)
       and in the Old Testament. Plato and Aristotle advocated eugenic
       measures in the interests of society.
       ...
       The birthplace of eugenics, properly understood, was
       19th-century England, where Charles Darwin (1809-1882) had
       supplied strong evidence of man’s descent from other life forms.
       One consequence of this was quickly grasped by another Victorian
       Englishman, Darwin’s cousin Francis Galton (1822-1911). In
       Hereditary Genius (1869), Galton argued that intellectual
       abilities, no less than physical characteristics, are
       hereditary. From this insight, it was a short step to the
       realization that measures to foster the transmission of
       desirable traits could lead to enduring improvement of the race.
       ...
       From the beginning, eugenics caught the imagination of ordinary
       Americans. Its relation to family genealogy and its connection
       with the principles of plant and animal breeding aroused
       enthusiasm, particularly in farming communities, and eugenics
       exhibitions and contests became common at county fairs.
       As in England, leading churchmen endorsed eugenics — as did many
       Jews, who arguably owed their hereditary capabilities to a
       eugenic mating system adopted during their centuries of
       segregation in exile. In a Mother’s Day sermon at a temple in
       Kansas City in 1926, Rabbi Harry Mayer declared, “May we do
       nothing to permit our blood to be adulterated by the infusion of
       blood of a lower grade.” Jews were well represented in eugenics
       societies, and in eugenics research as well.
       ...
       It was America’s reform-minded Progressives — not right-wing
       conservatives or Southern segregationists — who took the lead in
       advocating and enacting eugenics legislation in America’s
       eugenic heyday. As historian Mark Haller writes, “Eugenics in
       its early years exerted a broad influence upon American thought
       as a sort of scientific reform among the many other reforms of
       the Progressive Era.”
       In his later life, perhaps the most eminent Progressive,
       Theodore Roosevelt, promoted the cause of improving the race
       through better breeding with his customary vigor. Echoing
       Professor McDougall, the Rough Rider wrote: “The great problem
       of civilization is to secure a relative increase of the valuable
       as compared with less valuable or noxious elements in the
       population. This problem cannot be met unless we give full
       consideration to the immense influence of heredity.”
       The Progressives were instrumental in passing laws providing for
       sterilization (often involuntary) of the insane or feebleminded.
       Indiana’s (1907) was the first; Governor Woodrow Wilson signed
       New Jersey’s sterilization law in 1911; Hiram Johnson signed
       California’s two years later. Significantly, sixteen American
       states passed legislation for sterilization before a single such
       law was passed in the South. By the 1930s, some thirty states
       had passed eugenics laws, primarily in reform-minded
       legislatures. It was in the most “conservative” states, where
       religion and tradition were most strongly opposed to reform,
       that eugenics made the least progress. From 1907 to the 1960s,
       some 60,000 sterilizations were performed in the United States,
       with California well in the lead with 20,000; below the
       Mason-Dixon line, North Carolina eventually carried out the most
       sterilizations.
       ...
       Following the American lead, other governments adopted eugenics
       measures. In Switzerland the canton of Vaud passed a
       sterilization law in 1928; in the next year Denmark was the
       first European nation to enact such a law, followed by the rest
       of Scandinavia shortly thereafter.
       Canada, too, had its eugenics movement, in which women played a
       leading role. While the influence of the Catholic Church
       prevented eugenics legislation in Canada’s most populous
       provinces, sterilization laws were enacted in Alberta and
       British Columbia in 1933. Fatefully for the eugenics movement,
       in that same year Germany adopted a law for eugenic
       sterilization.[/quote]
       Important information about the history of eugenics
       [quote]Nazism
       Nothing has blackened the reputation of eugenics so much as its
       link to the Hitler regime. In the estimation of Paul Popenoe,
       one of the leading figures in the American eugenics movement,
       “The major factor in the decline of eugenics was undoubtedly
       Hitlerism.” But in fact, as the American geneticist and
       anthropologist Stephen Saetz has demonstrated in a
       well-researched study of eugenics in the Third Reich, German
       eugenic practice was not radically different from its American
       counterpart, and many policies afterwards blamed on eugenics,
       above all the measures against the Jews, had nothing to do with
       eugenics. The “euthanasia” program, in which as many as 80,000
       of the severely retarded and incurably insane were killed, was
       motivated by a desire to free medical facilities and personnel
       at the outset of the war, and was not a eugenics program. In the
       view of historian Sheila Faith Weiss: “German eugenicists . . .
       have at most only indirect responsibility for the “euthanasia’
       program.”
       Still, the association of eugenics with Adolf Hitler and Nazism
       helped turn what was already a strong opposition to eugenics —
       stretching from the Catholic Church on one end, to the
       anti-hereditarian left (from the American academy to the
       Kremlin) on the other — to an ironclad orthodoxy. Most Jews, at
       first affronted by tangential connections between the eugenics
       movement and U.S. immigration reforms of the 1920s, and then
       repelled by Hitlerism, passed solidly over into the
       anti-eugenics camp.[/quote]
       Source :
       Ending a Historical Taboo. Posted on March 12, 2010.
  HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2010/03/ending_a_histor_1/
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       Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
       By: Aryanization Date: October 29, 2023, 3:56 am
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       [quote]“The major factor in the decline of eugenics was
       undoubtedly Hitlerism.” But in fact, as the American geneticist
       and anthropologist Stephen Saetz has demonstrated in a
       well-researched study of eugenics in the Third Reich, German
       eugenic practice was not radically different from its American
       counterpart, and many policies afterwards blamed on eugenics,
       above all the measures against the Jews, had nothing to do with
       eugenics.[/quote]
       The Aryanization process is radically different from western
       eugenics because Aryanization selects for traits that natural
       selection tried to erase, the noble traits of the Aryan, founder
       of civilization. Therefore, the Aryanization process has nothing
       to do with scientific racism either.
       [quote]“If one wished to describe the history of the Aryans, he
       would have to admit that today the Aryan has vanished except for
       a few very small traces.” – Alfred Rosenberg[/quote]
       This is because the Aryan was a mistake by natural selection...
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       Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
       By: Aryanization Date: October 29, 2023, 4:05 am
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       From the main site:
       [quote]At the heart of the Aryanist worldview is the axiom that
       all the gene pools not only in the present day but indeed
       throughout recorded history are heavily degraded, and that it is
       the natural tendency for such degradation to further increase
       over time, due to natural selection consistently eliminating the
       noble in favour of the ignoble. It follows that, tracing
       backwards in time, the noble traits that historically have
       appeared only rarely in individual cases might well have been
       the norm of at least one prehistoric root race, which we call
       the Aryan race. Biologically, the arising of such a race could
       be accounted to an accident of genetic mutations occurring in a
       window of favourable environmental conditions which did not last
       (but which authentic National Socialism aims to re-create).
       Teleologically, what other purpose could there be for a race
       whose nobility leads them to have no attachment to the material
       world in which they have arisen, if not to help the rest of
       living creation transcend it also? In Hitler’s words: “There
       have been human beings, in the baboon category, for at least
       three hundred thousand years. There is less distance between the
       man-ape and the ordinary modern man than there is between the
       ordinary modern man and a man like Schopenhauer.”[/quote]
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       Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
       By: mind Date: November 7, 2023, 8:38 pm
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       [quote]
       If we admit that radical Islam and war traumas are additional
       problems, performance will probably be somewhat lower than
       African Americans.
       [/quote]
       This information tells me that the mind of the martyr and the
       mind of IQ are on opposing poles of the spectrum.
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       Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
       By: antihellenistic Date: November 21, 2023, 7:57 am
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       Lee Kuan Yew, the Eurocentrist Chinese
       [quote]Lee did not reject all the Western practices inherited
       from the British. He was impressed by the capacity of Western
       capitalism to stimulate economic growth. With a sharply rising
       population, Communist agitation among the unemployed, and the
       end of Singapore’s previous role as a trade hub for the British
       Empire, the island needed a new model. Lee tried to enrich
       Singapore through world trade and investment.
       ...
       Lee was well aware of the weaknesses of any multi-racial society
       and he tried to limit the dangers. In a conflict with
       Singapore’s neighbors, many Malay Muslim citizens might feel
       more solidarity with enemies rather than with Singapore. Malays
       were therefore exempted from conscription and police work,
       although this policy was later relaxed.
       Lee understood racial differences. Observers had long noticed
       that Malays were easy-living and “lethargic,” while Chinese were
       driven and entrepreneurial. Lee Kuan Yew and a Malaysian
       nationalist prime minister Mahathir Mohamad had similar views:
       the Chinese had been selected by a culture of study and hard
       work, as well as by cold winters in China; tropical Malays had
       not. On trips to Europe, Lee remarked on the differences between
       efficient Germans and easy-going Italians. He was also aware of
       differences in performance and social outcomes in the United
       States. He said in a 1982:
       Let us not deceive ourselves: our talent profile is nowhere near
       that of, say, the Jews or the Japanese in America. The
       exceptional number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jews is no
       accident. It is also no accident that a high percentage,
       sometimes 50 percent, of faculty members in the top American
       universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews. And the
       number of high-caliber Japanese academics, professionals, and
       business executives is out of all proportion to the percentage
       of Japanese in the total American population.
       Lee was also impressed by Richard Herrnstein and Charles
       Murray’s The Bell Curve. He told his authorized biographers:
       The bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85
       percent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture.
       The whites score on average 100. Asians score more . . . . The
       Bell Curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are
       realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration
       because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the
       results cannot follow.
       In a 1993 article written for The Economist, Lee predicted that
       Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, coastal China, and Singapore
       would become very prosperous in the next century, while the rest
       of Asia would not. National differences were due to “a people’s
       culture, heredity, and organizational strengths.” Lee was right.
       ...
       Singapore’s successes reflect the country’s ability to keep
       economic elements of the British colonial inheritance along with
       Asian traditions and habits. Success came from Anglo
       institutions and Sinic virtue. Lee Kuan Yew almost seems like an
       Asian archeofuturist. Low fertility is a failure, but just such
       a hypermodern society may be the one that finds solutions to
       dysgenic trends.[/quote]
       Source :
       Lee Kuan Yew: Building and Keeping a Nation Posted on December
       24, 2021
  HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2021/12/lee-kuan-yew-building-and-keeping-a-nation/
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       Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
       By: antihellenistic Date: November 24, 2023, 2:42 am
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       Critics to the western capitalist morality
       [quote]Referring to Lenin’s theory of imperialism, the Brazilian
       sociologist, F. H. Cardoso (1972), argues that inequality
       ‘‘among nations and economies resulted from imperialism’s
       development to the extent that import of raw materials and
       export of manufactured goods were the bases of the
       imperialist-colonial relationship” (p. 171). Thus, the
       inequality between advanced economies and dependent economies
       was a by-product of the process of capitalist growth.
       Imperialist profit was based on unequal trade and financial
       exploitation. Similarly, the Egyptian economist S. Amin (1996)
       has argued that Europe was responsible for the underdevelopment
       of large parts of Africa during the colonial era. Europe
       produced peripheral economies that were heavily dependent on the
       world market. Their dependence is a result of the dominance of
       the center countries, which have prevented the establishment of
       nation-wide capital goods industries and the manufacturing of
       goods for mass consumption. Amin suggests that the less
       developed countries should break their asymmetrical relationship
       with the center countries and pursue a socialist development
       strategy. He blames not only global imperialism, but also the
       African ruling classes for their failure to further
       industrialization. He writes, “The collusion between the African
       ruling classes and the strategies of global imperialism is,
       therefore, the ultimate cause of the impasse” (Amin, 1996, p.
       210). Thus, the central thesis of dependency theorists is that
       the “underdevelopment in the periphery is the direct result of
       development in the center, and vice versa” (Roberts and Hite,
       2000, p. 12; see also Chilcote, 1984).[/quote]
       Continuing
       [quote]Hitherto we have surveyed a variety of evidence showing
       that intelligence is positively related to earnings. The major
       reason for this association lies in the operation of the law of
       supply and demand. This fundamental law of economics states that
       the price of goods and services is determined by the balance of
       supply and demand. If the supply is abundant relative to demand,
       the price of goods and services will be low. Such is the case
       with unskilled work in the contemporary world, for which a pool
       of unemployed is always available providing an excess of supply
       over demand. Conversely, if the supply is limited relative to
       demand, the price of goods and services will be high. People
       with high IQs can acquire complex skills that cannot be acquired
       by those with low IQs. As a result, people with high IQs are in
       short supply relative to the demand for the goods and services
       they can produce. They are therefore able to command high
       earnings.
       ...
       The explanation for the relationship between low intelligence
       and crime proposed by Wilson and Herrnstein (1985) is that those
       with low IQs have a greater need for immediate gratification,
       weaker impulse control, a poorer understanding of the
       consequences of punishment, and a more poorly developed moral
       sense. In addition, adolescents with low IQs tend to do poorly
       at school and fail to obtain vocational skills, As a result,
       they are only able to get badly paid jobs, or they find it
       impossible to obtain any kind of employment. This makes them
       disaffected; they become alienated from society; and as a
       result, many of them turn to crime.[/quote]
       Source :
       IQ and the Wealth of Nations -- Richard Lynn, Tatu Vanhanen --
       Human Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence, 2002 page 11, 34,
       46
       Therefore, a society that results in facilities and products
       that require high intelligence to operate, and the resulting gap
       between the people who are able to achieve it and people who
       can't, is inferior. Because it does not solve the problem for
       people with difficulties and "low intelligence". It can cause
       social disaffection for the people who fail in an attempt to
       achieve resulting in an unnecessary crime, that only happens in
       a society with facilities and products that require high
       intelligence to operate. Western Civilization is the source to
       blame. Because most complex facilites and products require "high
       intelligence" to operate mostly came from it. Western mindset of
       Industrialism, Progressivism, and Machinism are the problem
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       Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 5, 2023, 4:31 pm
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  HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2023/12/how-to-have-more-and-better-children/
       The most important line:
       [quote]the war with the anti-natalists is a war against an enemy
       that shoots its own soldiers: Fear of climate change will keep
       liberal birthrates low. “[Pro-natalists] have seized the means
       of reproduction.”[/quote]
       This is the hard truth. The only way we can win is if we are
       shooting more pro-natalist soldiers than anti-natalist soldiers.
       If we are not doing this, we are asking to lose.
       Miscellaneous disgust fuel:
       [quote]Life is beautiful, he concluded, and we must make sure it
       continues.
       ...
       Malcom and Simone Collins are a husband-and-wife team who stood
       at the mic together and alternated speaking.
       ...
       A heathy society creates networks that encourage dating,
       marriage, and childbearing. It used to be possible to insulate a
       pro-natalist group from America — the Amish, Traditional
       Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Mormons — but the internet makes that
       much harder. However, being surrounded by and resisting what the
       Collinses calls “the monoculture” can sharpen your own culture
       and make it more resilient. You should also pay attention to
       other successful groups and copy what works.
       ...
       Michael Anton started with the basic problem: How does boy get
       girl? His talk was about the lessons a pickup artist might learn
       from Socrates’ only surviving dialogue with a woman. The lady
       was Theodote, a beautiful, high-class courtesan of the kind
       known as a hetaira. Every Athenian man was at her feet, but by
       the end of the dialogue, she is begging Socrates — the fat,
       ugly, penniless Socrates — to let her come see him.
       According to Mr. Anton, Socrates had the spirit of the
       successful lady-killer, an “abundance mentality,” the assurance
       that there are so many women out there that any individual
       turndown doesn’t even count as a failure. Socrates genuinely
       didn’t care if she said “no.”
       Socrates also befuddled her with his quick mind, setting logical
       traps for her. He also put her through what the pickup artist
       calls “compliance tests,” or making her follow his rules. The
       successful bar crawler doesn’t buy a woman a drink; he tells her
       to buy him one. Socrates led Theodote through the conversation
       in the same dominating way. He also used the “push/pull”
       technique of alternating between seeming interest and
       indifference. Running hot then cold only increases her interest
       in him. The fly so much becomes the spider that by the end of
       the dialogue, Socrates warns the desperate Theodote that she may
       come try to seem him, but he won’t talk to her if he is with
       people he finds more interesting.
       ...
       We are inherently a religious species, and religion is
       pro-natal, even if it requires believing implausible things.
       ...
       Is there a substitute or proxy for religion that stimulates
       child-bearing? Some of the ancients believed that loyalty to the
       group was enough to encourage large families.
       ...
       The children-are-fragile meme warns that a single misfortune or
       mistake by parents could wreck a child. In fact, children are
       resilient, and can come through many bad experiences without
       permanent scars.
       ...
       Lefties are more worried about protecting their children from
       life, while “trad” parents believe in hard knocks, so long as
       they don’t open arteries.
       ...
       Miss Keenan is happy to see “trad” families having large
       families, but says they can’t do it alone. We need smart,
       tech-types who also want big families.
       ...
       Miss Keenan noted that the city of Austin is full of
       nice-looking women of marriageable age: “We need to push them
       off their ebikes into minivans full of toddlers.” She looks
       forward to a time when “maternity maxing will become a
       full-blown trend, not a luxury lifestyle.”
       ...
       Charles Haywood talked about the need for “men-only spaces.”
       Masculinity is in a crisis; there are too many feminized men.
       You don’t get children unless men behave like men, and no matter
       how they are educated, women love masculine men.
       ...
       Competition is central to masculinity: “When a man walks up to a
       group of men, at least part of his brain is asking, ‘Can I kick
       these guys’ asses?’ ” All these aspects of masculinity go into
       making babies.
       ...
       Men need places that are for men only, and women should stay
       out. Even low-testosterone groups, such as bowling leagues and
       model-railroad clubs, used to be all male and should stay that
       way. But the best groups for building men are based on masculine
       pursuits: hunting trips, gun clubs, canoe expeditions, jiujitsu
       and boxing clubs.
       There may be some hope for old-line male organizations such as
       the Moose, Elks, Rotary, Lions, and Masons, but most are dying.
       Men’s groups at churches are usually worthless. They invariably
       try to “elevate” women, are consensus-driven, and apologize for
       existing.
       Workplaces used to be functionally segregated by sex; we should
       go back to that. On the job, men should be able to favor each
       other for promotion, especially men with families.
       Unfortunately, that’s against the law; all anti-discrimination
       laws should be abolished.
       ...
       Israel has managed to keep its birthrates above replacement; the
       orthodox have big families and even secular Jews have 2.3
       children per woman. Cultural competition can spur childrearing;
       Israelis know that Israel cannot survive without Jews.[/quote]
       It's not as if our enemies do not deserve to be shot.
       Photo of the conference:
  HTML https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/ConferenceView.jpg
       A mass shooting here would have improved the world in a day more
       than most pacifists can improve the world in their lifetimes.
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       Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
       By: antihellenistic Date: March 15, 2024, 9:44 pm
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       The Western Logic which resulting Concept of Rights and
       Liberalism
       [quote]The Master-Slave Dialectic and its Historical Reference
       This brings me to the second context in which Hegel uses the
       word “desire”: in Section B, “Self-Consciousness” of the
       Phenomenology (1977), Chapter 4 entitled “The Truth of
       Self-Certainty,” which contains the famous account of “Lordship
       and Bondage”. Today, the most common interpretation of the
       lordship and bondage section (or the master-slave struggle) is
       that it is a parable about the nature of “selfhood” in which
       Hegel sets out to demonstrate that self-consciousness becomes
       determinate only though communication with another self
       consciousness. This section is thus seen as the point in Hegel’s
       text where the “social” dimension of human experience makes its
       appearance. Hegel sets out to show that the self who claims to
       be certain of his sensory experiences (including the Cartesian
       self who says “I think, therefore I am”, or the Kantian ego who
       speaks of the “possibility of the ‘I think’ accompanying all of
       my representation”) is impossible unless one also recognizes the
       existence of other selves. It is believed that Hegel uses the
       parable of the master’s rule over the slave to show that the
       self-sufficiency of the master is an illusion since the master
       cannot obtain true recognition from a slave lacking independent
       judgments (Solomon: 425–31). True recognition depends on a
       relation of mutual equality in which there are neither masters
       nor slaves (Rockmore 1997: 64–72). Thus, the isolated self (I=I)
       cannot claim to have knowledge of something unless this self
       acknowledges the existence of another self as an autonomous
       subject, “as something that has an independent existence of its
       own, which, therefore, it cannot utilize for its own purposes”
       (Hegel as cited in Stern: 74). Knowledge presupposes “two selves
       mutually recognizing each other as independent” and
       “collectively coming to take certain types of claims as counting
       for them as authoritative” (Pinkard 1996: 53–55).
       The master-slave dialectic, it is true, is intended to
       illustrate that one “cannot achieve self certainty except as a
       member of a community of free persons who mutually recognize one
       another’s rights” (Wood 1990: 93). This dialectic ends with the
       image of a master who cannot get satisfaction from the
       recognition he gets from his servant. But this relates to the
       eventual outcome. We should not underestimate the dynamic which
       precedes the creation of master-slave relationship. The opening
       paragraphs of Chapter 4, “The Truth of Self-Certainty”, which
       include paragraphs 166 to 176, deal with “Desire in general,”
       and the dialectic of this desire. The subsequent paragraphs, 177
       to 196, deal with the master-slave dialectic, and the first
       paragraphs of this dialectic describe two combatants engaging in
       a life-and-death struggle for the sake of “pure prestige.” Thus,
       in its very origins, before there is any master and slave, we
       have a confrontation between two independent individuals, each
       of whom is driven to fight the other because each desires to
       wrest superior recognition from another self. The desire of the
       combatants is not for reciprocal appreciation. The concluding
       outcome is a relation of mutual recognition, but in the
       beginning we are dealing with two self-assertive individuals for
       whom the other is an object that needs to be subordinated.
       I would argue, furthermore, that this initial struggle can be
       read as Hegel’s version of the “state of nature” parable first
       presented by Hobbes and Locke. My reading here is indebted to
       Alexandre Kojeve’s much discussed, but not well understood,
       lectures on Hegel, which he gave in Paris during the years
       1933–1939. I will be using these as they have been assembled by
       Raymond Queneau and edited by Allan Bloom under the title:
       Introduction to the Reading of Hegel: Lectures on the
       Phenomenology of Spirit ([1947] 1999). Kojeve does not state
       explicitly that this fi ght is a description of the state of
       nature, but he does write as if it had an empirical or
       anthropological basis in the past before the formation of
       states. I will go beyond Kojeve, however, in suggesting that the
       life and death struggle that brings about the master-slave
       relation should be read as a description of the Western state of
       nature.[/quote]
       Source :
       The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 318
       - 320
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       Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 17, 2024, 6:34 pm
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       [quote]we have a confrontation between two independent
       individuals, each of whom is driven to fight the other because
       each desires to wrest superior recognition from another self.
       The desire of the combatants is not for reciprocal appreciation.
       The concluding outcome is a relation of mutual recognition, but
       in the beginning we are dealing with two self-assertive
       individuals for whom the other is an object that needs to be
       subordinated.[/quote]
  HTML https://incels.is/threads/britcunts-fighting.586029/#post-13778200<br
       />(video at link)
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       Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
       By: antihellenistic Date: March 24, 2024, 8:44 pm
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       Moral Liberalism led into Rightism
       [quote]Liberty and the States System
       England was the first modern liberal nation but it was not
       exceptional. This brings me to one more challenge I would like
       to make against the inter-state idea. The original idea, as it
       was articulated by Enlightenment thinkers, that Europe’s
       difference consisted in the fragmented character of its polity,
       included as well the observation that there was a division of
       power within the nation-states themselves. This view can be
       found in the writings of John Hall (1992), Daniel Chirot (1985,
       1986), and Luciano Pellicani (1994). The very same states that
       dedicated so much energy to warfare, Hall writes, had “evolved
       slowly and doggedly in the midst of a pre-existing civil
       society” (1992: 187).
       One other uniqueness of the West is the role that Parliaments
       played in its history: indeed so unique has this role been that
       German historians have considered the Standestaat, the
       representation of the three functional estates, Church, Noble
       and Burgher, to be a particular stage in world history (187).
       The Standestaat was a type of political structure called the
       “state of estates”, which amounted to a partition of powers in
       which feudal lords, the church, and towns, recognized the
       monarch as the legitimate head of the state at the same time
       that each retained a specific set of rights and duties (Chirot
       1986: 17–19). In China, India, and Islam, in general, there were
       no countervailing powers because there was no substantial
       distinction between the state and civil society; there was no
       aristocracy with special rights, no separation of religious and
       secular powers, no independent cities, and no parliaments where
       relations between the various estates of society were open for
       adjudication. It was in reference to the absence of a civil
       society that the category “oriental despotism” was used by
       Montesquieu, Marx, Weber, and Karl Wittfogel (Pellicani:
       81–107). I shall return to this characteristic in the next
       chapter; suffice it to say now that, as centralized
       administrations evolved through the modern era, and the old
       feudal elites saw their privileges curtailed, consensual-liberal
       rights and limits were nevertheless elicited gradually from the
       emerging nation-states by aristocrats, town dwellers, lawyers,
       and commercial elites, albeit not peacefully but through a
       dynamic succession of conflicts that culminated in the Glorious
       Revolution of 1688 and the French Revolution of 1789.36
       There is a certain naiveté in the presumption that Europe’s
       liberal institutions were not really liberal because they were
       associated with the pursuit of global power. It is true that in
       some liberal-arts courses, or older survey courses in “Western
       Civilization,” the history of the West was occasionally taught
       as if it were an intellectual history of “great books” and
       “great ideas.” David Gress, in his vigorous book, From Plato to
       NATO: the Idea of the West and Its Opponents (1998) has dubbed
       this idea the “Grand Narrative” (1998). According to him, this
       moralistic narrative “established a false dichotomy between some
       high principles, which existed outside history, and a flawed
       reality, characterized by inequality, prejudice and war”. By
       presenting Western history in terms of the realization of the
       ideals of liberty and democracy, this narrative “placed a burden
       of justification on the West…to explain how the reality differed
       from the ideal”. This dichotomy, Gress argues, offered ample
       opportunity for cynics to speak of the fraud, hypocrisy, and
       inconsistency between Western ideals and Western realities.
       Gress thinks that these critical views of the West can be met so
       long as we get away from an idealized image of Western
       uniqueness. He argues that liberal-democratic ideals were not
       new but “old practices.” These practices took hold of society
       only when “rulers competing for power” came to realize that the
       promotion of autonomous cities, mercantile interests, taxation
       with representation “made their societies stronger and more
       prosperous [and hence fitter] in the geopolitical conditions” of
       early modern Europe.3
       I will follow a different line of reasoning in the next
       chapters. While liberty did not grow separately from mercantile
       interests and state power, the ideals of natural rights,
       security, and happiness were actually conceived as limits to the
       abuses of power. These ideals, moreover, were not ready-made
       human dispositions put into use when they were seen to serve the
       interests of warmaking states; they were cultivated and realized
       in time. Western freedom and reason can only be comprehended in
       time. I will also argue that Europeans were exceptionally
       warlike in a deeply-rooted, energizing and libertarian way
       rather than unexpectedly under the circumstances of a
       competitive interstate system.[/quote]
       Source :
       The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 240
       - 242
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