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Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: January 29, 2023, 1:59 am
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I'm as Diktatur Abdul, the opponents are Bruno#4660
Part 1
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Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part 5
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Bruno cannot answer how can we against and end the westerners
and Zionist if we not use authority and make powerful organized
entities. Libertarianism dislike any variations of authority.
He's seemed to commenting on another topic of discussion or
evading from my arguments on part 5's chat's photo
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 29, 2023, 7:33 pm
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You need to be more precise about what our complaint is. Bruno
says:
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> If they can do that without coercing or forcing anyone else, I
don't care
--- End Quote ---
If they truly followed this principle, they would oppose any
machine that is unable to get prior unanimous consent. Because
any machine, once introduced, eventually ends up affecting
everyone whether they want to be affected or not.
You should also challenge Bruno about how
libertarianism/anarchism enables violence initiated by parents
against their offspring, and how that contradicts the stated
principle above. The point is to show that those who truly want
to stop initiated violence will never be
libertarians/anarchists.
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: February 5, 2023, 12:45 am
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> If they truly followed this principle, they would oppose any
machine that is unable to get prior unanimous consent. Because
any machine, once introduced, eventually ends up affecting
everyone whether they want to be affected or not.
>
> You should also challenge Bruno about how
libertarianism/anarchism enables violence initiated by parents
against their offspring, and how that contradicts the stated
principle above. The point is to show that those who truly want
to stop initiated violence will never be
libertarians/anarchists.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: February 5, 2023, 1:56 am
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Love the Star of David sticker and MG-42 comment lol
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: HikariDude
Date: April 3, 2023, 10:37 pm
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This is something that I thought about today, but how would you
argue to people who justify being with people that have
different interests by saying that differences "open our minds"
or if everyone had similar interests, "we don't learn"?
Also to people who say the same things about corrupting an
elementary topic by mentioning controversial figures?
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 4, 2023, 12:17 am
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> This is something that I thought about today, but how would
you argue to people who justify being with people that have
different interests by saying that differences "open our minds"
or if everyone had similar interests, "we don't learn"?
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If you know what is the true and what is wrong, you will not
open your minds to people whose mind is oppressive and you only
come to them to refute and prevent their ideas from spreading
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: March 9, 2024, 1:12 am
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Westernization means Individual Freedom, not Modernization
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> Modernization is not westernization. The Meiji oligarchy may
have founded the modern Japanese state in 1867, but it also
sought to preserve the ancient Shinto and samurai culture from
the “soulless” modernity of the West. The Prussian-German state
in the Bismarckian and Nazi periods created a social order that
served the interests of modern industrial capitalism, yet, at
the same time, bolstered the social and political status of the
old aristocratic military classes and cultivated the
anti-Enlightenment notion of an organic nation rooted in blood
and soil. At the heart of Western modernity – and here I am
suggesting that “the West” is a cultural term without fixed
geographical and ethnic boundaries – is the ideal of freedom,
and the ideal of a critical, self-reflexive public culture. A
culture is modern and Western when it has a conception of itself
as self-grounding or self legitimating, and when individuals are
free to articulate their ideas and their feelings through the
exercise of their own faculties. The Other of this ideal is what
Immanuel Kant called “dogmatism;” that is, the acceptance of
norms and principles as “self-evident,” whether by “God” or by
“Nature,” without the exercise of self-determining reason
(Pippin 1997). There is more to a modern agent in Western
culture than a highly efficient producer who performs
specialized roles based on effort and merit according to
universally calculable rules. A self-directing person cannot
accept any set of norms, aesthetic conventions, or institutional
practices, unless those norms and laws can be seen to be
compatible with the free exercise of their reason.
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Source :
The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 237
and 238
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Re: Debate with Libertarians
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 9, 2024, 1:45 am
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> The Meiji oligarchy may have founded the modern Japanese state
in 1867, but it also sought to preserve the ancient Shinto and
samurai culture from the “soulless” modernity of the West.
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Duchesne has no clue what he is talking about:
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> A priority of the Meiji government was to gradually abolish
the entire class of samurai and integrate them into the Japanese
professional, military and business classes.[62]
>
> Their traditional guaranteed salaries were very expensive, and
in 1873 the government started taxing the stipends and began to
transform them into interest-bearing government bonds; the
process was completed in 1879. The main goal was to provide
enough financial liquidity to enable former samurai to invest in
land and industry. A military force capable of contesting not
just China but the imperial powers required a large conscript
army that closely followed Western standards. The notion of very
strict obedience to chain of command was incompatible with the
individual authority of the samurai. Samurai now became Shizoku
(士族; this status was abolished in 1947). The right
to wear a katana in public was abolished, along with the right
to execute commoners who paid them disrespect. In 1877, there
was a localized samurai rebellion that was quickly crushed.[63]
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