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Question about Rational Thinking
By: antihellenistic Date: January 24, 2023, 9:30 pm
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If the westerners are "most rational people", why they keep
oppressing the world with their Aristotelian ideology. Are they
not know, that with such attitude they will suffer? Of course
every human not want to suffer. Correct me if my logic are wrong
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 24, 2023, 10:57 pm
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"If the westerners are "most rational people""
They are not. They are empiricists.
"why they keep oppressing the world with their Aristotelian
ideology."
Aristotelianism is empiricist:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism
[quote]This denies that humans have innate ideas. The notion
dates back to Aristotle, c. 350 BC:
What the mind (nous) thinks must be in it in the same sense as
letters are on a tablet (grammateion) which bears no actual
writing (grammenon); this is just what happens in the case of
the mind. (Aristotle, On the Soul, 3.4.430a1).
...
These notions contrasted with Platonic notions of the human mind
as an entity that pre-existed somewhere in the heavens, before
being sent down to join a body on Earth (see Plato's Phaedo and
Apology, as well as others). Aristotle was considered to give a
more important position to sense perception than Plato[/quote]
"Are they not know, that with such attitude they will suffer?"
They will not. On the contrary, Yahweh will reward them. It is
their victims who will suffer. For example, look at the quantity
of progress in Western medicine achieved by violently
experimenting on non-humans. It is the experimentation victims
who suffered and Western civilization which was rewarded with
new treatments.
Again, think back to the Western air conditioner. It does not
fail at cooling the room. It succeeds in cooling the room by
causing everywhere outside the room to become hotter. Those
inside the room are not suffering; they are being rewarded by
Yahweh. It is those outside who suffer.
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: antihellenistic Date: January 25, 2023, 6:36 pm
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[quote]They will not. On the contrary, Yahweh will reward
them.[/quote]
Today, they hated by the rest of world population. Is that
"reward"?
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 25, 2023, 8:52 pm
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Even if the animals which the Western scientists experiment on
hate the Western scientists, so what? The Western scientists are
not threatened by the animals, and they gain knowledge from the
experiments themselves. That is Yahweh's reward.
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: antihellenistic Date: January 25, 2023, 11:19 pm
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If "Yahweh" want to oppress his enemies, then "He" can make us
all die, but "He" still give us some of "His"'s fortune to us
like "His reward" through "material benefit." So Yahweh and His
followers want to postpone their total victory?
Most of people compare their today's live with live of people
from previous generations which more difficult and exposed to
large-scale war. So, they justify today's natural condition and
humiliate us for not able to adapt into current conditions. Most
of people who teach "Self-Development" use that arguments to
prevent us from debunking their way of thinking. We will lose
their support if we want to change current condition into more
empathic one.
Self-Development, Modern Psychology, "Self-Love", "Self-Reward"
always use that kind of comparation. They always say that "God
have another way to make us happy with His plan, so be patient.
And if our perspective about justice are different from the
reality which we see today, it's because our view of justice is
different to God's plan. So trust His plan and He will give us
happiness and justice based on His plan."
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 25, 2023, 11:36 pm
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"If "Yahweh" want to oppress his enemies, then "He" can make us
all die"
You still don't get it, do you? Why did Yahweh create us in the
first place? He doesn't want us to die. He wants us trapped here
forever. With Western civilization, he is succeeding:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
"So Yahweh and His followers want to postpone their total
victory?
No, there is no "total" for Yahweh. There is only endless
accumulation:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
"Total" by definition is something we only calculate at the end.
The whole point of evil is to have no ending.
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: antihellenistic Date: January 26, 2023, 1:36 am
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If you believe that "armageddon" or "the end of time" will come,
why you bother to against this material world, seeing it will
die someday and sufferings which part of this world will removed
forever? So, you will win even though you don't do anything.
Different to me, I don't believe such prophecy, the world will
last without end. It's up to us to make the world according to
what we want it should be, if the sufferings cannot end, then
our struggle will be eternal. So, how can believing "armageddon"
is "rational"? Believing "the end of times" only make us falsely
believe that the current condition will be reformed into the
just one automatically
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 26, 2023, 2:59 am
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"If you believe that "armageddon" or "the end of time" will
come, why you bother to against this material world, seeing it
will die someday and sufferings which part of this world will
removed forever?
It won't happen by itself. We have to make it happen.
"So, you will win even though you don't do anything."
No, Yahweh will keep winning if we don't do anything.
"So, how can believing "armageddon" is "rational"?"
If I believe it is impossible, I will not work towards it.
If I believe it is inevitable, I will also not work towards it.
Only if I believe it is possible but not inevitable will I work
towards it.
"Believing "the end of times" only make us falsely believe that
the current condition will be reformed into the just one
automatically"
Not automatically. It is up to us to make it happen.
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: guest98 Date: January 26, 2023, 1:41 pm
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So then the goal of the true left is to create armageddon?
Because this is the only way that the judeo-west(dajjal) can be
destroyed?
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 26, 2023, 5:20 pm
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Destroying Western civilization only makes it easier by
preventing AI, settlement of outer space, etc.. We are merely
limiting the growth of the problem, not yet solving it.
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