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Re: Arctic alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 2, 2023, 4:05 pm
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"only being able to see and perceive through the lens of the
western world view"
This is a perfect description of Xi. In his mind, Western
civilization is just "civilization", whereas it is
Counterculture ideas which are "Western". Thus he would be
genuinely astounded at being labelled Westernized, since in his
own mind he is an anti-Westerner because he dislikes "Western"
(ie. Counterculture) ideas.
See also:
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[quote](And some people think Xi is anti-Western. No, Xi is
anti-Counterculture, which makes him pro-Western since the
Counterculture itself was an anti-Western movement.)[/quote]
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[quote]need to establish that Counterculture is not to be
referred to as "Western", an academic error which is currently
causing a lot of confusion as many who claim to be
"anti-Western" are actually anti-Counterculture.[/quote]
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[quote]They use the term "Western" to mean Counterculture.
...
They see Russia as the defenders of actual Western civilization
(which they call "civilization") against the US which they
believe represents Counterculture values (which they call
"Western"). They, in their terminology, consider "New China" to
be in need of "civilization", which means rejecting "Western"
influences. What they are actually doing, in our terminology, is
Westernizing by rejecting Counterculture influences.[/quote]
"it’s a solid 80% chance that he’ll be replaced by someone
equally as psychologically westernized as him"
The additional problem right now is that Xi is getting away with
being perceived as "anti-Western" (by those who are as confused
as he himself is about what is Western and what is not) despite
actually being pro-Western. If we manage to clear up the
confusion between "Western" and "Counterculture", then at least
subsequent leaders can no longer think of themselves as
"anti-Western" while in fact being pro-Western. Thus if they are
pro-Western they will have to admit it. And then they will have
to confront the question of why they are pro-Western.
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: guest98 Date: August 3, 2023, 2:01 pm
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Who or what started the counter culture era? I remember you
saying that the counter culture was supposed to replace western
civilization, but how could that be since the counter culture
wasn't a political movement. In my view the counter culture was
simply youthful, optimistic, and energetic vibes being emanated
by the mass media, which become depressing and serious vibes
after 9/11.
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 3, 2023, 5:40 pm
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"Who or what started the counter culture era?"
My theory is that it is what resulted from the end of WWII:
[quote]Although National Socialist Germany was destroyed in
WWII, the spiritual energy which animated it during its brief
run in history has remained resplendent in the post-WWII world.
Focus on charismatic pop culture icons became part of collective
psychology in a way it had never been prior to WWII. Every field
of mass entertainment media – literature, music, drama, and more
- anomalously and dazzlingly flourished, with one masterpiece
rolling out after another so seemingly effortlessly that their
beauty was indeed often taken for granted by their contemporary
consumers. Vigorous Jewish attempts to steer artistic direction
towards hedonistic nihilism did not succeed for long; by the
closing decades of the 20th century, heroic characters and
romantic themes had retaken centre-stage in the world of pop
culture. (“Wagner wanted this: an art as religion. … He did not
say in a state of collapse: I no longer understand the world.
Rather, he wished to create another world. … Even if the people
of our times felt themselves estranged from the forms of the
Bayreuth idea or unsympathetic to it, this idea has been the
real source of life in the midst of a barbaric time.” – Alfred
Rosenberg) Jews peddled egalitarianism to non-Jews in real-life,
but pop culture icons became increasingly larger-than-life
examples of sparkling individual personality (typically in
defiance of identity, by the way). Jews peddled sexual
promiscuity to non-Jews in real-life, but pop culture
increasingly celebrated pure, chaste, devoted and often
unfulfilled love (frequently in defiance of tradition, by the
way). Jews peddled moral relativism to non-Jews in real-life,
but pop culture increasingly extolled the absolute moral beauty
of justified vengeance and overdue retribution (especially
against tribalists, by the way). Unable to stop these trends,
just as they had been unable to stop Christianity 2000 years
ago, Jews then duplicitously switched to claiming credit for
them(!) – and neo-Nazis believe this(!!) - based on the
beyond-ludicrous assertion that these trends were inspired by
sympathy for the supposed Jewish victims of the alleged
“Holocaust”. No, they were not. These trends were inspired by
sympathy for the worldwide victims of 500 horrific years of
post-Renaissance Western civilization, and - though most who
felt this way were unaware of this - for the world’s greatest
champion against it: Hitler himself. Sensing the sheer nearness
of his Arhat personality from the earth-shattering impact it had
made only a few decades earlier, people with Aryan blood memory
yearned for it as an avatar for their idealism, but believed the
Zionist lies about “the Nazis” and therefore never knew that his
was the personality whom they sought, thus turned to pop culture
icons as imaginary substitutes.
This is the only narrative that accounts for the rise of
National Socialism and the development of post-WWII pop culture
trends not as distinct phenomena, but as two forms of the same
phenomenon: UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY. The 19th century Romantic
movement in art gathered the energy for National Socialism in
politics during the early 20th century (a point which Hitler
explicitly acknowledged by crediting the influence of Wagner on
his movement). With its political outlet attenuated by defeat in
war, this energy was then recycled back into art by the late
20th century, coming full-circle.[/quote]
"I remember you saying that the counter culture was supposed to
replace western civilization, but how could that be since the
counter culture wasn't a political movement."
It had political branches:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/alice-cooper-vs-homophobia/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10049/#msg10049
[quote]overlapping most notably with the Civil Rights movement
as well as opposition to the Vietnam War. However, in a
worldwide context, the Anti-Apartheid movement which also began
in the 60s:
...
continued to strengthen through the 80s:
...
and reached its peak in the 90s with the toppling of Apartheid
South Africa itself:
...
In this perspective, the Counterculture era was at its most
powerful in the 90s, also manifesting in Clinton's heroic
bombing of Serbia (which is our template for US foreign policy):
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/remembering-the-yugoslav-wars/
as well as environmentalism:
...
and continuing into the 00s with BDS:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/
which was explicitly modelled after the Anti-Apartheid movement:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions
[quote] BDS is modeled after the anti-apartheid movement in
South Africa.[10] Its proponents compare the Palestinians'
plight to that of apartheid-era black South Africans.[11]
[/quote][/quote]
After Apartheid South Africa fell, the next target was going to
be Israel! This is why the 9/11 false flag happened!
But even if it did not have political branches, even just
looking at the pop culture, the Counterculture was educating a
new generation to be anti-Western. Western aesthetics were
portrayed negatively:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10157/#msg10157
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10259/#msg10259
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American aesthetics were considered cool in proportion to the
extent that they diverged from Western aesthetics:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10219/#msg10219
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10239/#msg10239
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg18363/#msg18363
and the aesthetics of outright non-Western countries were even
cooler:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg7200/#msg7200
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg16320/#msg16320
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg19748/#msg19748
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"In my view the counter culture was simply youthful, optimistic,
and energetic vibes"
Optimistic why? Because we thought Western civilization was
dying by itself!
"depressing and serious vibes after 9/11"
Depressing why? Because Western civilization announced that it
was not going to die by itself!
[quote]We consider 9/11 to be the event which ended the
Counterculture era. Before 9/11, Western civilization was widely
viewed as the cause of most of the world's problems. After 9/11,
this was flipped on its head with the notion that Western
civilization was under attack and had to be preserved at all
costs. (For example, a movie like "300" could never have been
made in the Counterculture era, and even visually looks nothing
like the Counterculture era movies.)[/quote]
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: antihellenistic Date: August 5, 2023, 8:11 pm
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White Japan
By: antihellenistic Date: August 5, 2023, 8:57 pm
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: antihellenistic Date: August 18, 2023, 12:21 am
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Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
By: antihellenistic Date: August 22, 2023, 3:24 am
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Re: Exposing people with the Western Darwinian Worldview
By: antihellenistic Date: August 26, 2023, 12:17 am
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: rp Date: September 2, 2023, 8:50 pm
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How does Duginism fit in with the Arctic Alliance? Aren't
Duginists are explicitly anti-China? However many rightists who
are Arctic Alliance types also seem to be Duginist. Perhaps
their thought process is something like this: Turanians >
"White" non Turanians >"Yellows" > other "Non-Whites".
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 3, 2023, 5:01 pm
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Arctic Alliance theory (cold = superior) works in favour of
Duginism (Russia being the centre of the world) because Russia
is colder than China. Duginism is anti-China because China, a
country warmer than Russia, is a rival centre of the world.
There is no contradiction.
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