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Debate with Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: December 21, 2022, 7:10 pm
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I'm ever debate with an opponent whose answer to my debate is
ask me to be calm because they not forcing their opinion on me
to justify their way of life, what is the best answer of that?
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 21, 2022, 8:32 pm
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Imagine two people, one of whom is using an air conditioner to
cool their own room by blowing the hot air into other person's
room. When the other person objects, the air conditioner user
says: "I'm not forcing to you use an air conditioner in your
room, therefore you shouldn't force me to not use an air
conditioner in my room."
You cannot demand privacy when your actions affect others.
Just remember Western civilization is an air conditioner:
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See also:
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[quote]A non-industrial country does not prevent an industrial
country from successful industry, therefore the industrial
country is unjustified in invading the non-industrial country. A
non-compulsory-schooling country does not prevent a
compulsory-schooling scountry from successful compulsory
schooling, therefore the compulsory-schooling country is
unjustified in invading the non-compulsory-schooling country.
And so on. (In fact it is the other way round: the
non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should
invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in
order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)
In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed
only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).[/quote]
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: December 23, 2022, 7:54 pm
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[quote]You cannot demand privacy when your actions affect
others.[/quote]
They say that they writings a sentences which not directly to
speak to me or another people whose thinking is like me. And
their justify their psychological writings which contain
moral-relativism and Stoicism because they not mention anything
to attack others. They have reason to consider me as offensive
because I give correction arguments on their writing contents.
Is the answer still same like your analogy or there's another
argument to answer their accusation to me?
They rather blame me for my inconvenience on their content.
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 23, 2022, 8:51 pm
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Yes. "The air conditioner wasn't directly aiming its hot air at
you. I didn't even check to see if you were in your room before
switching it on. Their intent of switching on the air
conditioner was not to heat up your room, but to cool my own
room."* Does that make it acceptable?
(* This goes back to what I was saying about tribalism being
about not hostility to the outgroup but rather indifference to
the outgroup.)
"They have reason to consider me as offensive because I give
correction arguments on their writing contents."
If they didn't want feedback, they had the option to write
without publishing. By publishing, they are putting their
writings out there to be critiqued. How then can they blame you
for critiquing them?
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: December 23, 2022, 9:25 pm
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I think after I analyze and make dialogue to the false-leftist
westerners, they not want to follow our correct worldview and
methods not because they believe that what they see and follow
is right, but because they just not want to make any conflict
with everyone regardless of their ideological background. And
anyone who begin conflict will be despised by them even though
the conflict is necessary to defeat the oppressors
#Post#: 18791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with Westerners
By: HikariDude Date: April 9, 2023, 9:05 am
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As I know about Western culture, by West you mean the
ideological lineage of Aristotle and Moses,
but what was the main idea of the ideologies of Aristotle and
Moses. How were they distinct from each other and how were they
similar to each other?
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: April 9, 2023, 9:40 am
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[quote]but what was the main idea of the ideologies of Aristotle
and Moses. How were they distinct from each other and how were
they similar to each other?[/quote]
They are fellow radical democrats, capitalist, and racialist.
The differences were that Aristotle was a western paganist and
Moses was a Jew. And they live on different timeline, Moses
predates Aristotle
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 9, 2023, 6:54 pm
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You have no clue what you are talking about. Moses was not a
democrat:
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[quote]The "Law of Moses" in ancient Israel was different from
other legal codes in the ancient Near East because
transgressions were seen as offences against [s]God[/s] rather
than solely as offences against society (civil law).[6] This
contrasts with the Sumerian Code of Ur-Nammu (c. 2100–2050 BCE),
and the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi (c. 1760 BCE, of which
almost half concerns contract law).
...
The law attributed to Moses, specifically the laws set out in
the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, as a consequence came to
be considered supreme over all other sources of authority (any
king and/or his officials), and the Levites were the guardians
and interpreters of the law.[12][/quote]
The Levites were not the majority of Israelites, nor could
non-Levites by joining some of the Levites to form a majority of
Israelites thus override the other Levites in the minority.
It is more accurate to compare Moses to Lycurgus:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Longinus
[quote]calling him 'no chance person' (οὐχ
ὁ τυχὼν
ἀνήρ) but "the Lawgiver"
(θεσμοθέτης,
thesmothete) of the Jews, a term that puts him on a par with
Lycurgus[/quote]
(or for that matter Confucius:
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"Aristotle was a western paganist and Moses was a Jew"
Judaism is a form of paganism (ie. ethnic religion). It is more
accurate to say that Aristotle was a polytheist whereas Moses
was a monotheist.
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: April 9, 2023, 8:06 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=1656.msg18799#msg18799
date=1681084491]
You have no clue what you are talking about. Moses was not a
democrat:
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[quote]The "Law of Moses" in ancient Israel was different from
other legal codes in the ancient Near East because
transgressions were seen as offences against [s]God[/s] rather
than solely as offences against society (civil law).[6] This
contrasts with the Sumerian Code of Ur-Nammu (c. 2100–2050 BCE),
and the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi (c. 1760 BCE, of which
almost half concerns contract law).
...
The law attributed to Moses, specifically the laws set out in
the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, as a consequence came to
be considered supreme over all other sources of authority (any
king and/or his officials), and the Levites were the guardians
and interpreters of the law.[12][/quote]
The Levites were not the majority of Israelites, nor could
non-Levites by joining some of the Levites to form a majority of
Israelites thus override the other Levites in the minority.
It is more accurate to compare Moses to Lycurgus:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Longinus
[quote]calling him 'no chance person' (οὐχ
ὁ τυχὼν
ἀνήρ) but "the Lawgiver"
(θεσμοθέτης,
thesmothete) of the Jews, a term that puts him on a par with
Lycurgus[/quote]
(or for that matter Confucius:
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/>)
"Aristotle was a western paganist and Moses was a Jew"
Judaism is a form of paganism (ie. ethnic religion). It is more
accurate to say that Aristotle was a polytheist whereas Moses
was a monotheist.
[/quote]
Then, why Judaism, legacy of Moses, compatible with democracy?
Moses ben Maimonides and modern political philosophers admit
that Judaism were match with Aristotelian's theory of general
will and democracy
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Re: Debate with Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 9, 2023, 10:09 pm
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"Then, why Judaism, legacy of Moses, compatible with democracy?"
Because the majority can be herded by skillful herders. The
herders are merely pragmatists using democracy to achieve their
own aims.
Jews will claim to be compatible with anything they want to
exert control over. If you take them seriously you are a fool.
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