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False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 16, 2022, 8:44 pm
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There are many of these out there, and they deserve a topic of
their own. Here is one example.
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-aren-t-feminists-backing-133000745.html
[quote]Why aren’t feminists here backing brave woman-led
Iranians?[/quote]
Because only False Leftists are stupid enough to side with the
pro-Western anti-regime protestors against the non-Western (and,
most importantly, anti-Israel) regime:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg16485/#msg16485
True Leftists understand that the priority is to kill Western
civilization first.
[quote]Iranian-Americans were part of #MeToo, she said, and
protested the murder of George Floyd right alongside everyone
else. “But now our young people are being killed for standing up
for their human rights, and where is everybody?”[/quote]
Weinstein is a Westerner. Chauvin is a Westerner. Khamenei is
not a Westerner. Duh!
[quote]Yet “where are the feminists” who you’d have thought
would have been first to support the woman-led movement set off
by Amini’s murder?[/quote]
Who cares whether a movement is woman-led? What matters is
whether a movement is anti-Western! This is a fundamentally
pro-Western movement. Therefore we oppose it. It is that simple.
[quote]not one of the state California lawmakers and other
officials invited to stop by did.
Doing so could have been more than an act of courtesy. In some
European countries, including Germany and Sweden, lawmakers have
unofficially “adopted” an incarcerated activist, bringing
international attention to that person’s story in the hope that
this spotlight might save his or her life.[/quote]
Thank you for the demonstration of False Leftist anti-American
Eurocentric cue-taking.
[quote]Another activist said that earlier in the day, she had
knocked on every door of every member of the California
assembly, and talked to many staff members, hoping to interest
someone in coming down to the vigil to have a bowl of Persian
Ash Reshteh and at least learn about what some European
lawmakers are doing to help.
“Not one person showed up,” she said.[/quote]
We despise your Eurocentrism. American True Leftists prefer to
take cues from our fellow non-Western countries, not from former
Western colonial powers.
Some commenters get it (though many of these are probably
rightists):
[quote]Maybe they see the US as a poo poo stirrer and do not
believe our news anymore.[/quote]
[quote]feminists tend to be liberals and democrats. those are
people who love muslims and hate Jews.[/quote]
[quote]Because there's no evil white man to blame in
Iran.[/quote]
[quote]Feminists are not stupid. They don't want to be accused
of inciting Islamophobia[/quote]
[quote]American “feminists” are nothing of the sort. Theyre
simply white-male haters.[/quote]
[quote]They risk losing their Twitter "woke" bandwagon points
and being called Islamophobic if they go after Muslim
regimes.[/quote]
Here is a False Leftist commenter for contrast:
[quote]to fix the problems in MIDDLE EAST starts with Iran !
people in Iran they are ready for democracy and democratic
government !![/quote]
False Leftists are useful idiots.
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 26, 2022, 7:19 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/whoopi-goldberg-faces-scrutiny-over-235231598.html
[quote]Whoopi Goldberg is facing fresh scrutiny for remarks
about the Holocaust after she previously drew backlash for
claiming the genocide was not “about race.”[/quote]
Firstly, there is no reason to believe there was a 'Holocaust'.
We should treat with scepticism any alleged event that is
illegal to investigate in the very country where it was supposed
to have happened.
[quote]Times journalist Janice Turner pushed back, noting to the
67-year-old actress and comedian the race laws Nazi Germany
officials implemented targeting Jewish people.
When Turner reiterated that “Nazis saw Jews as a race,” Goldberg
replied: “Yes, but that’s the killer, isn’t it? The oppressor is
telling you what you are. Why are you believing them? They’re
Nazis. Why believe what they’re saying?”[/quote]
National Socialist Germany only saw Jews as a race because Jews
themselves saw themselves as a race first, which Jews have been
doing since Tanakh times. Goldberg ludicrously makes it sound
like Jews never thought of themselves as descendants of Jacob
until Hitler told them they were!
Ironically, Goldberg is actually correct that we should not
believe oppressors who tell us what we are. Yet the true
oppressors are the Western colonialists who introduced terms
such as "black" that Goldberg(!) thinks is something real.
[quote]“It doesn’t change the fact that you could not tell a Jew
on a street,” Goldberg added. “You could find me. You couldn’t
find them.”[/quote]
Gestapo members were trained to spot Jews by their non-Aryan
faces, for example:
HTML https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/15d5e71/2147483647/strip/true/crop/649x400+37+0/resize/880x542!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Flegacy%2Fsites%2Fkwgs%2Ffiles%2F201905%2Ffoxman-pic.jpg
Goldberg also a non-Aryan face (note the resemblance - she
literally looks like Foxman in blackface with a wig!):
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/6tqNjrlNKOZ5mqmiKbczZw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_hill_articles_341/1aaa03ab3612f47fe1af5bef71056dd8[/img]
so Gestapo members could surely pick her out by the physiognomic
criteria they would have used to pick out Foxman. (Let's not yet
started about her surname.....) Skin colour is irrelevant.
[quote]Goldberg said in apologizing earlier this year that her
support for Jewish people would “never waiver.”[/quote]
That's the other problem.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
By: rp Date: February 17, 2023, 6:37 pm
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Leftist explains the difference between "White" saviors and True
Leftists:
HTML https://twitter.com/IMPFneinPlural/status/1614299202640809986?s=20
[quote]I believe in community, not Big Gov altruism
@IMPFneinPlural
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Jan 14
The biggest difference between Leftists who are White Saviors, &
those who genuinely care about non-White people, is the ability
to listen & process.
White Saviors, by & large, have ignored voices from cultural
minorities who told them not to trust their colonizer
governments.
I believe in community, not Big Gov altruism[/quote]
HTML https://twitter.com/IMPFneinPlural/status/1614300906039963648?s=20
[quote]
@IMPFneinPlural
Instead of listening, White Saviors, like the unhinged,
misogynistic, war criminal Prysner, & many others, rage that
those that do not get the clot shot are killing people with
their stupidity, selfishness, & lack of trust in altruistic
Western governments.
[/quote]
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 17, 2023, 6:59 pm
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I can't stand "white" saviour movies such as Avatar. Here is a
good example in the dialogue of the lack of ability to listen
and process:
HTML https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/quotes/qt4155323
[quote]Moat: It is hard to fill a cup that is already full.
Jake Sully: My cup is empty. Trust me.[/quote]
This exchange perfectly captures the contradictory essence of
the "white" saviour: he thinks he knows better than the person
he himself is desperate to learn from! But if so, why the
desperation to learn from that person? (And worse, the movie
shows him soon succeeding, in effect validating the "white"
saviour worldview.....)
(True Leftists despise not only Sully, but the Na'vi (Gentiles)
also:
[quote]Neytiri: You are like a baby. Making noise, don't know
what to do.[/quote]
[quote]Neytiri: You have a strong heart. No fear. But stupid!
Ignorant like a child![/quote]
These lines were supposed to make Neytiri sound wise, but they
just make her sound adult. With that said, this is an accurate
portrayal of Gentilism, which has no concept of Original
Nobility.)
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: SirGalahad Date: February 17, 2023, 7:13 pm
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At the very least, I commend James Cameron for being vegan,
because he’s pretty famous so it’ll further normalize the
lifestyle. At the celebration he organized for the premier of
Avatar 2, all the food was plant-based
But I do agree that the way James Cameron presents his own
franchise is almost quintessential false leftism. There was a
thread online that someone created, where they asked fans if the
Avatar franchise had made them vegan (I’m assuming because of
the producer’s self-proclaimed veganism and the franchise’s
emphasis on the relationship between the Na’vi and their
companion animals). And the one comment that I really think said
it all, was something to the effect of “Why would I go vegan?
The Na’vi themselves aren’t even vegan”. I think that’s the main
issue with the franchise in my book, outside of the fact that it
doesn’t really have an interesting story to tell and is just eye
candy. It doesn’t really emphasize the unfortunate nature of the
lifestyle of the Na’vi. In fact, it glorifies it.
There’s also another piece of unintentional symbolism that the
franchise provides: If you look into the lore provided outside
of the movies, Eywa, the goddess of the Na’vi, embodied by their
sacred tree, is implied to have destroyed every single attempt
at civilization the Na’vi have ever made, in an effort to
preserve the balance of nature. This implies that the only two
options are gentilism (“the noble savage”), or progressive
“civilization”. This is obviously wrong, because we support
regressivism AND value civility. True civility
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: rp Date: February 17, 2023, 7:28 pm
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It also glorifies reproductive Eurocentrism IMO.
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 17, 2023, 7:38 pm
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"gentilism (“the noble savage”), or progressive “civilization”."
I wouldn't even say that Gentilism is contrary to progressivism.
Hunting equipment and tactics became consistently more efficient
over time even within the Paleolithic era (enabling hunting of
more and more types of prey previously too difficult to hunt),
therefore a Gentile would have no reason to be nostalgic for the
past, but instead should only expect the future to be even
better.
"It also glorifies reproductive Eurocentrism IMO."
Don't get me started about The Last Samurai.
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: rp Date: February 17, 2023, 11:29 pm
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"I wouldn't even say that Gentilism is contrary to
progressivism."
Hence why Gentiles are False Leftists/progressives
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 30, 2023, 5:50 pm
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HTML https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171112216/fat-talk-diet-culture-parenting-kids-virginia-sole-smith
[quote]On how thinness upholds white supremacy
The thin ideal is definitely a white ideal.[/quote]
No:
[img width=1280
height=656]
HTML https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Body-mass-index.jpg[/img]
As I keep explaining, thinness is a warm habitat adaptation:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/
whereas:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/blood-memory/msg19059/#msg19059
Seriously:
[quote]Sole-Smith, who herself identifies as "small
fat,"[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://bigfatpositivepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Virginia-Sole-Smith_3-scaled-1.webp[/img]
Go to any of the countries in green on the above map and see if
that is how people of your size over there are described!
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Why the Idea of Western Civilization is More Myth Than History
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 24, 2023, 6:00 pm
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Why the Idea of Western Civilization is More Myth Than History
[quote]Naoíse Mac Sweeney on Writing a New History of the West
[/quote]
[quote]One weekend, I found my younger son at the kitchen table,
carefully writing out everything he knew about the Olympian gods
for his school homework. His brow was furrowed, and he trained
his eyes on the page with a level of concentration that I wish
he would pay to his maths homework. So I asked him—casually, I
thought—why he was so interested in the ancient Greeks. He
beamed up at me with an angelic smile and answered, “Because
that’s what you study, Mama.”
At this point, my heart nearly burst with parental pride. I am a
Professor of Classical Archaeology and the ancient Greeks are,
quite literally, my bread and butter. But my heart sank when my
son added as an afterthought, “and because the Greeks gave us
Western Civilization.” Buckle up, kid, I thought, you’re in for
a lecture.
I wanted to tell him that the ancient Greeks did not give us
Western Civilization. That there is no golden thread, unfurling
unbroken through time from Plato to NATO.That we in the modern
West are not the heirs of a unique and elevated cultural
tradition, stretching back through Atlantic modernity to
Enlightenment and Renaissance Europe, and from there through the
darkness of the medieval period and ultimately back to the
glories of classical Greece and Rome...[/quote]
Some of the best forms of Christianity in Europe arose from "the
darkness of the medieval period":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/
Compared to the Judeo-Christianity that was by then dominant in
Europe during the Enlightenment and Renaissance periods:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
It was also the Judeo-Christianity of the Enlightenment and
Renaissance period which ultimately lead to the formation of
"white" and "black" identity in Colonial America prior to the
anti-Western American War of Independence:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-curse-of-ham-or-hamitic-myth/
Continuing with the article:
[quote]For most of us, it seems normal—even natural—to think of
Western history in these terms. Unthinkingly, we assume that the
modern West is the custodian of a privileged inheritance, passed
down through a kind of cultural genealogy that we usually refer
to as “Western Civilization.”
It is a version of history that is all around us, set out in
popular textbooks, encoded implicitly into children’s stories
and Hollywood movies, and proclaimed loudly and sometimes even
angrily by commentators on both sides of the political spectrum.
But it is a version of history that is simply wrong.
Perhaps the greatest centre of medieval classical learning when
it came to the sciences was in Baghdad, the capital of the
Abbasid Caliphate.[/quote]
So, why is Islam not as responsible for the devastation the
Industrial Revolution has wreaked on the planet and life in
general? Because ultimately Islam has never been anthropocentric
at it's core as Judaism always has been, nor was Islam's main
prophet:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/inspired-by-muhammad/
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/islamic-golden-age-philosophy-and-humanities/
Continuing:
[quote]Research points to a different version of Western
history. I have myself spent two decades of my professional life
uncovering how ancient Greeks and Romans were much more diverse
than we might think. They were neither predominantly white nor
predominantly European, and indeed did not conceive of racial
and geographical categories in the same way that we now do. As a
result, the monks of western Europe, laboriously copying Latin
manuscripts in their dusty scriptoria, were not the only
medieval heirs of classical antiquity.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/what-did-the-romans-think-about-race/
Continuing further:
[quote]So too were the merchants of fourteenth century Sudan,
conducting their trade in Greek; and so too were the Buddhist
sculptors of northern India and Pakistan, who drew on the
artistic traditions of the Indo-Greek kingdoms.
But perhaps the greatest centre of medieval classical learning
when it came to the sciences was in Baghdad, the capital of the
Abbasid Caliphate, where classical scholarship was fused with
new philosophical and scientific developments drawn from across
Asia, Africa, and Europe.
Put simply, the real history of the West is much richer and much
more complex than the traditional grand narrative of Western
Civilization acknowledges. It is not a golden thread but a
golden tapestry—in which strands of diverse peoples, cultures,
and ideas have been woven together over the centuries.
Our notion of Western Civilization is then demonstrably wrong,
proven to be factually incorrect again and again by the mounting
weight of historical and archaeological research. So where did
the idea come from anyway? And why do we still cling to a
version of Western history that we know to be untrue?[/quote]
Western Civilization sure does love it's gold:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
And, Western Civilization sure does love to steal from
non-Westerners:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonization-of-africa/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonial-crimes-dw-documentary/
Continuing:
[quote]The roots of the grand narrative lie in the Renaissance,
when European thinkers began to engage more intensively with
Greek and Roman antiquity. But the idea of a coherent “West,”
bound together by its shared classical heritage, [s]its
Christianity,[/s] Judeo-Christianity and its common geography
did not emerge until several centuries later.[/quote]
Western Culture is literally also known as
"Judeo-Greco-Christian Culture"...
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/
Further from the article:
[quote]The founding fathers found inspiration in the classical
world not only for their revolutionary fervor, but also for how
to [b]justify the inconsistencies at the heart of the
revolutionary movement.[/b][/quote]
Westerners using Judeo-Greco-Christian culture to justify the
inconsistencies in their hearts, no way, you don't say!?!?!? :o
;D
Continuing:
[quote]As late as the sixteenth century, there were attempts to
build an alliance between the protestant powers of northern
Europe and the Muslim Ottoman Empire, in coalition against their
common enemies, the Catholics of central and southern
Europe—implying a very different civilizational configuration
from the one which we now take for granted today.
It was only with the expansion of European overseas
[s]imperialism[/s] Colonialism over the course of the
seventeenth century that a more coherent idea of the West began
to emerge, being deployed as a conceptual tool to draw the
distinction between the type of people who could legitimately be
colonised, and those who could legitimately be
colonizers...[/quote]
Read that last sentence in red a couple of times!
And, Protestants and Catholics are still Judeo-Christians alike,
they are merely two opposing factions of the same exact thing!!!
Continuing:
[quote]With the invention of the West came the invention of
Western history—an elevated and exclusive lineage that provided
an historical justification for the Western domination.According
to the English jurist and philosopher Francis Bacon, there were
only three periods of learning and civilization in human
history: “one among the Greeks, the second among the Romans, and
the last among us, that is to say, the nations of Western
Europe.”
But if the West and its history was invented in the imperial
capitals of seventeenth century Europe, the notion of Western
Civilization was born in the eighteenth century on the
battlefields of revolutionary North America.
From Adams to Washington, the founding fathers found inspiration
in the classical world not only for their revolutionary fervor,
but also for how to justify the inconsistencies at the heart of
the revolutionary movement—the cry for a freedom that permitted
Black slavery, and the rejection of [s]imperial[/s] Colonial
shackles whilst continuing to impose them on others. It was the
privileged inheritance of Western Civilization, the cultural and
intellectual correlate of race, that justified the differential
treatment of different groups of Americans.
Western Civilization is therefore not just a myth in the sense
that it is a fiction that we tell ourselves, despite knowing
that it is factually false. It is a myth that was invented to
justify slavery, imperialism, and oppression. As such, it served
the ideological needs of the time of its invention, reflecting
the core values of the society that produced it...[/quote]
Rest of the article:
HTML https://lithub.com/why-the-idea-of-western-civilization-is-more-myth-than-history/
There is a huge difference between someone who takes inspiration
from Socrates, or Plato, to someone who takes inspiration from
Aristotle!:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
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