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#Post#: 8466--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 29, 2021, 8:45 pm
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@Mazda or NuminousSun
[quote]Hitler was NOT a nordicist like so many others in the
NSDAP. Hitler obviously appealed to Nordicist sentiments here
and there in an attempt to win them over. (We disagree with this
position.)...[/quote]
And, when he already won over them and led Germany with absolute
dictatorial power, even the racist law which discriminate
"colored" people still implemented even in 1943 after 10 years
of his rule, and "Nordicist" people around him still allowed to
work in government position and allowed to hold and spread the
world view to German people, which consider "White Europeans"
are superior, and "Non-White European Colored" people are
inferior, so Hitler did not seriously wanted to remove the
racist things in his government, or it can be said that Hitler
not wanted to remove racism on his government, because he was a
racist leader, removing a group of people who have a political
and ideological view which different from the leader is more
easy and can be done when leader has absolute control of the
government, so your opinion that Hitler keep the racist
worldview and law implemented in his regime for just wanted to
appeal to "Nordicist" to make him win, is just an excuse
Look how Stalin controlled and absolutely rule "White European
Russian" people, he bravely forced them to accept a ideological
worldview oppose to racism and force them to live together with
"colored" people who immigrated from outside Russia, and
ruthlessly order his police authority executed or send them to
concentration camps to many people who oppose his policies,
whether they are government people, or just ordinary people, led
a nation without compromise is can be done if a leader use
dictatorship and absolute power on his nation
[quote]Present-day Aryanists are correct in deducing that Aryans
= Neolithic Farmer type[/quote]
Your conclusion is correct and acceptable to society if you
explain the term "Aryan" without justifying Hitler's ideology
[quote]Himmler ran the SS, NOT Hitler. Himmler was a fool and a
Nordicist![/quote]
And Hitler keep that Nordicist control the Nazi military even
tough he has absolute control of the government until Germany's
defeat in 1945, it means Hitler did not really wanted to remove
racist people from German society, and it can be said that
Hitler agree with Himmler's ideological worldview
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest55 Date: August 29, 2021, 10:21 pm
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[quote]Your conclusion is correct and acceptable to society if
you explain the term "Aryan" without justifying Hitler's
ideology[/quote]
I just showed you how Hitler's ideology as expressed in Mein
Kampf is clearly in line with Aryanism. You are a fool with
terrible reading comprehension!
[quote]even the racist law which discriminate "colored" people
still implemented even in 1943 [/quote]
Growing up Black in Nazi Germany - Esther Anumu Fordham
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwz7kQtPPW0
[quote]Bill Lincoln
8 months ago
When I was a child in the early sixties, i recall the old Black
soldiers say how much they loved Germany, and only left because
they were under orders, and now sorry they never did
return.[/quote]
Just stop already, it's obvious you are an imbecile!
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 30, 2021, 1:45 am
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@Mazda or NuminousSun
[quote]I just showed you how Hitler's ideology as expressed in
Mein Kampf is clearly in line with Aryanism. You are a fool with
terrible reading comprehension![/quote]
No, Aryanism's ideology far from in line with Hitler's ideology,
Aryanism define "Aryan" as a Neolithic era farming people and
the people who founded civilization, Hitler's ideology define
"Aryan" not just a Neolithic farmer people who founded
civilization, but also racially "White European"
[quote]Growing up Black in Nazi Germany - Esther Anumu Fordham
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwz7kQtPPW0
[quote]Bill Lincoln
8 months ago
When I was a child in the early sixties, i recall the old Black
soldiers say how much they loved Germany, and only left because
they were under orders, and now sorry they never did
return[/quote]
Just stop already, it's obvious you are an imbecile! [/quote]
From video interview which you shown to me, this is some of
conversation between interviewer and the "black" woman whom he
interview :
"...How were marriage like that treated over there?", the
interviewer asked, Esther Anumu Fordham answer, "Well, oh yeah
that's I have to say that, the marriage (marriage between people
of "black" German and "white" German people) that took place
during earlier time before Hitler came that was fine, but then
after, when during Hitler time, they weren't allowed to get
married, they could live together but they not allowed to get
married", then the interviewer ask again to her whether there's
still "white Germans" who were living with "black Germans", she
answer that they can live together but they weren't allowed to
get married..."
Source : Documenter video - Growing up Black in Nazi Germany -
Esther Anumu Fordham
So, what Esther Anumu Fordham said about how condition of
"black" people during their live in Nazi Germany was correct,
they forbidden to marry to "White European German" people,
because the racial law prohibited them to do that, and that is
discriminative implementation of Nazism ideology, and the
information which you shown to me is make me more convinced that
what I see about Hitler and his discriminative racial policy in
during his regime is right
Thank you for educating me whom you considered as "the
imbecile", "the fool" and a people who have "terrible reading
comprehension"
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 30, 2021, 3:36 am
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"Hitler's ideology define "Aryan" not just a Neolithic farmer
people who founded civilization, but also racially "White
European""
We debunked this long ago:
HTML http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/AIF.jpg
Since then, other forums have been having serious discussions
about it:
HTML https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7vjzh0/in_a_bizarre_plot_twist_adolf_hitler_apparently/
[quote]In a bizarre plot twist, Adolf Hitler apparently
considered Native Americans to be equivalent to Aryans. Why? And
how did Natives react to this?
This just seems like such an interesting topic but there's
relatively little research on it.
From Wikipedia: In addition, in an effort to gain Native
American support, the Nazis classified the Sioux, and by
extension all Native Americans, to be Aryans,[88] a theory
echoed in the sympathetic portrayal of the Natives in German
westerns of the 1930s such as Der Kaiser von Kalifornien. Nazi
propagandists went as far as declaring that Germany would return
expropriated land to the Indians, while Goebbels predicted they
possessed little loyalty to America and would rather rebel than
fight against Germany.
Where did this belief in Native American superiority stem
from, especially in an era in which natives were being
persecuted and demeaned by other white countries at the time?
...
Karl May and his works are repeatedly alluded to and mentioned
throughout the book after his introduction in the section
"Germany's Foremost Indianthusiast: Karl May, German Virtues,
and National Socialism".
In the section mentioned, it elaborates that the relationship
between Winnetou (Apache) and Old Shatterhand (German) promotes
a few ideas that affect the German perception of Amerindians.
Relations between the two are amiable, Old Shatterhand lectures
Winnetou, and Winnetou even converts to Christianity on his
deathbed.[/quote]
HTML https://www.quora.com/How-did-Karl-May-influence-Adolf-Hitler
[quote]How did Karl May influence Adolf Hitler?
...
Hitler was ready to ally with Japanese, Arabs, and Indians
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_India_Legion
and actually did
cooperate with China against Japan before 1937, and on the other
hand tried to exterminate, decimate, or expel some of the
whitest people on Earth to make room for his fantasized German
land empire.
...
Karl May's books are the prototype of White Guilt. He
consistently places himself on the side of the oppressed peoples
of the Americas, of the Orient, Africa and Asia, bemoaning how
white people have treated them - and not solidly placing the
blame on any nation but generally using "we white people" in
that context. Of Native Americans in particular he says that
they are a more noble race than whites. When he goes to rescue a
black servant from the hands of a Native American tribe, he
gives a tongue-lashing to a fellow white guy who claims that
blacks are inferior; Karl May (in his alter ego of Old
Shatterhand) asserts that this black servant is worth several
white people.[/quote]
You are many years behind the curve.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: v3456 Date: August 30, 2021, 4:29 am
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[quote author=Mazda link=topic=159.msg8465#msg8465
date=1630261096]
If detractors of Aryanism had any smartness about them then they
would attack this central argument of the Aryanist ideology, but
for some reason they never quite get around to it, do they? They
always nit-pick at all the silly-**** regarding WWII
revisionism. Quite foolish of them. I suspect they do this
because they know that the central argument of Aryanism is
IRONCLAD and there's absolutely no way around it?
[/quote]
We don't have any problems with Aryan theory, nor do I
personally have anything against the notion of Aryan root race.
The only problem we have is the WWII revisionism, Nazi race
policies and Hitler's personal views which heavily contradict
the theory presented on the main site.
So, if revisionism is so irrelevant to you all - why don't you
just give it up and admit that Hitler was a racist and you have
nothing to do with him and his ideology. No? Maybe because your
own ideology is so centered around WWII revisionism you don't
even think about getting rid of it? Maybe because YOU think that
Neolithic Aryan theory is not enough to support your claims?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 30, 2021, 7:00 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]We debunked this long ago:
[img]
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As long as the Nazi racial law during Hitler's regime not
including native "American" people on it, Nazi people's attempt
to consider the native "American" people as an "Aryan" just a
propaganda to gain symphaty from them
This is another Hitler's thought on native "American" people :
...Hitler devoured the Westerns of the popular German novelist
Karl May. In 1928, Hitler remarked, approvingly, that white
settlers in America had “gunned down the millions of redskins to
a few hundred thousand.” When he spoke of Lebensraum, the German
drive for “living space” in Eastern Europe, he often had America
in mind."
Source :
HTML https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
[quote]
HTML https://www.quora.com/How-did-Karl-May-influence-Adolf-Hitler
...
Hitler was ready to ally with Japanese, Arabs, and Indians
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_India_Legion
...[/quote]
Hitler did not seriously helped Indian people to gain
independence from colonialism, because... he is Anglophile, see
this few writings on analysing Hitler's foreign policy :
Hitler did not want to go to war against British (United
Kingdom). Instead, he wanted to make friends with the British to
fight Communism, but Churchill refused. There were several
attempts by the Reich by people in Hitler's closest circle, such
as Walther Hewel or Unity Midford, to forge a German-British
pact. However, this is impossible considering what the
consequences would be if Hitler, with his criminal system,
fought war. Hitler was also not hostile to the British colonial
system. He said several times - even in times of war - that the
British empire must protect its colonies, which is why Subhas
Chandra Bose did not receive the military assistance he expected
from Hitler.
Source : Horst H. Geerken - Jejak Hitler di Indonesia page 373
And another fact about how Nazi people in Nusantara (Indonesia)
viewing my people...
"During the colonial period, the Dutch (Netherlands) government
saw that promoting education for the natives was tantamount to
planting the seeds of a threat to their rule, and therefore the
development of education was deliberately hindered at all levels
for centuries. The colonizers realized that education encouraged
self-confidence. So avoid anything that can increase literacy
rates. The natives were forced to conform to Dutch interests and
they were told again and again that they had not been able to
organize themselves as a state. Because the only goal of the
Netherlands is the exploitation of this rich country. This is
the clearest evidence of the poor policy of European colonizers!
Anton Adriaan Mussert, the leader of the Dutch Nazis, said while
visiting the Dutch East Indies before World War II: The form of
government that exists here is in harmony with fascist
ideals.[sup]20[/sup]"
Source :
Horst H. Geerken - Jejak Hitler di Indonesia page 153
20. Mak, Das Jahrhundert meines Vaters, Page 159
And, you need to know that people who give many contributions to
my nation's freedom is Communist people after the Islamic
people, not National [s]Socialist[/s] Racialist people
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 30, 2021, 11:55 pm
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"just a propaganda"
This is our disagreement: you think Hitler's anti-"white"
statements are insincere propaganda, whereas I think Hitler's
pro-"white" statements are insincere propaganda.
Nevertheless, even you agree that Hitler was (other than
anti-Jewish) most of all anti-Russian. And so are we. But
neo-Nazis are not. This alone already proves we have the
stronger claim to being Hitler's successors than neo-Nazis have.
"he is Anglophile"
In your other comments:
"you all the Anglophile"
"Anglophilic people like you"
Thank you for admitting in your own words that we are Hitler's
true successors.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 31, 2021, 12:53 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]...whereas I think Hitler's pro-"white" statements are
insincere propaganda.[/quote]
You say that Hitler's pro-"white" statements are insincere
propaganda, but most of his governments domestic policies and
foreign policies are mostly showing his pro-"white" statements,
if Hitler's anti-"white" statements was genuine, he more choose
to totally attack the pro-"white" nations Western Europe and
Britain, and more reluctantly against anti-"white" Stalin
Russia, and if Stalin suddenly prepare his military troops to
attack and invade Western Europe including Hitler's Germany like
what Viktor Suvorov said on his historical book "Icebreaker",
Hitler will made peace to him and together destroy Western
European Racial-Capitalist nations together, not placed most of
his troops to attack Stalin Russia, but of course Hitler more
hate Stalin Russia more than any of Western European nations,
because... Stalin was "anti-white" leader, he was the first
leader in Europe who implemented policy which opposed racism in
in 1920s, and let many "colored non-"white"" people come to
Russia which most of it's citizens are "white", of course Hitler
hated this good character of Stalin policy, which endangered the
existence of "white" race in Europe, and different if we see
British for example, British during Hitler's regime was
implemented racial policy which preserved "white" people's
racial purity, and most of it's citizen are "white", so Hitler
will more wanted to side with British and not seriously attacked
them, wanted them to side with him to destroy anti-"white"
Stalin Russia, and even Hitler did not seriously help the
colonized people who ask help to him, I already show the fact of
it on previous conversation post, you can see it again, so we
can conclude that Hitler was seriously pro-"white"
[quote]Nevertheless, even you agree that Hitler was (other than
anti-Jewish) most of all anti-Russian. And so are we. But
neo-Nazis are not. This alone already proves we have the
stronger claim to being Hitler's successors than neo-Nazis
have.[/quote]
Your statement on Hitler was anti-Russian is true, and Neo-Nazi
statement that Hitler was pro-Russia are false
[quote]"he is Anglophile"
In your other comments:
"you all the Anglophile"
"Anglophilic people like you"
Thank you for admitting in your own words that we are Hitler's
true successors.[/quote]
And people who proud to use that political view (Anglophile)
must be wipe out
Pro-Hitler people must be wipe out
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 31, 2021, 10:24 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]Hitler was ready to ally with ...Arabs...[/quote]
Another Hitler's racist view addressed towards Arab people :
"Wir werden weiterhin die Unruhe in Fernost und in Arabien
schüren. Denken wir als Herren und sehen in diesen Völkern
bestenfalls lackierte Halbaffen, die die Knute spüren wollen" -
Adolf Hitler
English colonial language translation :
"We shall continue to make disturbances in the Far East and in
Arabia. Let us think as men and let us see in these peoples at
best lacquered half-apes who are anxious to experience the
lash." - Adolf Hitler
Source : No 314: Contents of the Speech by the Führer to the
Chief Commanders and Commanding Generals on the Obersalzberg,
August 22, 1939. In Documents on the British-Foreign Policy
1919-1939. Volume VII 1939. London, 1954, 259.
And of course his racist views confirmed on his not serious
attitude to help Arab Islamic people to freed themselves from
British and French colonialism, see this historical fact
information :
Despite the Mufti's efforts to get German backing for Arab
independence, Hitler refused, remarking that he wanted nothing
from the Arabs"[9]
Source : "Hajj Amin al-Husayni: Wartime Propagandist".
Holocaust Encyclopedia. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
HTML https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/hajj-amin-al-husayni-wartime-propagandist#axis-armies-move-into-arab-lands-1
Book source : Islam and Muslims in Germany
Hitler was seriously pro-"white" and Anglophile
And also, Nazi racist movements inspired some of Arab people to
make a movements which emulate their racism
Some wealthy Arabs who traveled to Germany in the 1930s brought
back fascist ideals and incorporated them into Arab
nationalism.[citation needed] One of the principal founders of
Ba'athist thought and the Ba'ath Party, Zaki al-Arsuzi, stated
that Fascism and Nazism had greatly influenced Ba'athist
ideology.[citation needed] A student of al-Arsuzi, Sami
al-Jundi, wrote:
"We were racialists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the
source of its thought, particularly Nietzsche's Thus Spoke
Zarathustra, Fichte's Addresses to the German Nation, and H. S.
Chamberlain's The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, which
revolves on race.[27] We were the first to think of translating
Mein Kampf.
Whoever has lived during this period in Damascus will appreciate
the inclination of the Arab people to Nazism, for Nazism was the
power which could serve as its champion, and he who is defeated
will by nature love the victor. But our belief was rather
different.[28]"
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Arab_perceptions_of_Hitler_and_Nazism
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: Dazhbog Date: September 3, 2021, 8:21 am
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[quote author=kameradbaren link=topic=159.msg8475#msg8475
date=1630324841]And, you need to know that people who give many
contributions to my nation's freedom is Communist people[/quote]
90sRF has already established that you are not Nusantaran
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/aryanism's-hostility-towards-russia-and-eastern-european-people/?message=5395,<br
/>so you cannot talk about Nusantara as "your" nation. That poin
t
aside:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor
[quote]Belligerents
Indonesia
TNI
UDT
APODETI
Supported by:
Australia
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Republic of China (Taiwan)
United States
East Timor
FRETILIN (FALINTIL)
Supported by:
China
Cuba
Mozambique
Soviet Union
Sweden[/quote]
Note that "Australia" (does anyone know a decolonized name for
that country?) in particular supported Nusantara on
anti-colonialist grounds:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#Australian_involvement
[quote]Gough Whitlam had been a vocal anti-imperialist and
anti-colonialist but saw imperialism and colonialism almost
entirely as European phenomena and had supported Chinese
imperialism and was supportive of Indonesian imperialism to undo
Dutch, Portuguese and British colonialism. Previously secret
files of the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade,
released in September 2000, showed that comments by the Whitlam
Labor party government may have encouraged the Suharto regime to
invade East Timor.[/quote]
Note how close Whitlam is to our position on imperialism by
drawing a sharp distinction between colonialism and authentic
imperialism, as was the Nusantaran design for Timor:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#Integration_efforts
[quote]In parallel to the military action, Indonesia also ran a
civil administration. East Timor was given equal status to the
other provinces, with an identical government structure. The
province was divided into districts, sub districts, and villages
along the structure of Javanese villages. By giving traditional
tribal leaders positions in this new structure, Indonesia
attempted to assimilate the Timorese through patronage.[/quote]
It is also quite telling why some factions of "Australian"
society objected to supporting Nusantara:
[quote]There was some disquiet towards policy with the
Australian public, because of the deaths of the Australian
journalists and arguably also because the actions of the
Timorese people in supporting Australian forces during the
Battle of Timor in World War II were well-remembered.[/quote]
Against this backdrop, note who supported Nusantara in East
Timor itself:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timorese_Popular_Democratic_Association
[quote]APODETI's first president was Arnaldo dos Reis Araújo, a
60-year-old cattle farmer who had collaborated with the Japanese
invasion forces during World War II.[/quote]
The good guys are always the good guys, just as the bad guys are
always the bad guys!
Also, here is something for you to chew on, given that you harp
on about Nusantara acquiring Russian weapons ever so often:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#US_involvement
[quote]The US played a crucial role in supplying weapons to
Indonesia. A week after the invasion of East Timor the National
Security Council prepared a detailed analysis of the Indonesian
military units involved and the US equipment they used. The
analysis revealed that virtually all of the military equipment
used in the invasion was US supplied: US-supplied destroyer
escorts shelled East Timor as the attack unfolded; Indonesian
marines disembarked from US-supplied landing craft; US-supplied
C-47 and C-130 aircraft dropped Indonesian paratroops and
strafed Dili with .50 calibre machine guns; while the 17th and
18th Airborne brigades which led the assault on the Timorese
capital were "totally U.S. MAP supported," and their jump
masters US trained. While the US government claimed to have
suspended new arms sales to Indonesia from December 1975 to June
1976, military equipment already in the pipeline continued to
flow, and the US made four new offers of arms during that
six-month period, including supplies and parts for 16 OV-10
Broncos, which, according to Cornell University Professor
Benedict Anderson, are "specially designed for
counter-insurgency actions against adversaries without effective
anti-aircraft weapons and wholly useless for defending Indonesia
against a foreign enemy." Military assistance was accelerated
during the Carter administration, peaking in 1978. In total, the
United States furnished over $250,000,000 of military assistance
to Indonesia between 1975 and 1979.
Testifying before the US Congress, the Deputy Legal Advisor of
the US State Department, George Aldrich said the Indonesians
"were armed roughly 90 percent with our equipment.
...
The CAVR stated in the "Responsibility" chapter of its final
report that US "political and military support were fundamental
to the Indonesian invasion and occupation" of East Timor between
1975 and 1999. The report (p. 92) also stated that "U.S.
supplied weaponry was crucial to Indonesia's capacity to
intensify military operations from 1977 in its massive campaigns
to destroy the Resistance in which aircraft supplied by the
United States played a crucial role."
...
We sent the Indonesian generals everything that you need to
fight a major war against somebody who doesn't have any guns. We
sent them rifles, ammunition, mortars, grenades, food,
helicopters. You name it; they got it.[/quote]
The part I left out before the last quote above describes the
fate that awaits you. Leave it to the American-backed heroes of
Nusantara to deal with Duginist Untermensch rabble!
[quote]There were people being herded into school buildings and
set on fire. There were people herded into fields and
machine-gunned.[/quote]
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