DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
True Left
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Questions & Debates
*****************************************************
#Post#: 8260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest55 Date: August 23, 2021, 9:15 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=christianbethel link=topic=159.msg8259#msg8259
date=1629760278]
What do Aryanists have to say about child euthanasia in National
Socialist Germany? I'm very concerned, especially since Hans
Asperger, the 'founder' of autism, was involved.
[/quote]
Why are you so concerned about that, don't you know the Germans
were cutting off babies hands during WWI? Haven't you read the
reports?
#Post#: 8274--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: christianbethel Date: August 24, 2021, 8:11 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
#Post#: 8275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 24, 2021, 10:08 am
---------------------------------------------------------
@christianbethel
[quote]What do Aryanists have to say about child euthanasia in
National Socialist Germany? I'm very concerned, especially since
Hans Asperger, the 'founder' of autism, was involved.[/quote]
Yes, in National [s]Socialist[/s] Racialist Germany, unhealthy
people will got euthanasia, and "Colored Non-White European"
people who live in Hitler's Germany will be monitored and
prohibited to intermarriage with "White European German" couple,
if they got caught intermarry with "Non-White European" couple
and have child from it, they got sterilized and punished by the
government
And if you see many of my post debating to this Nazi apologist
forum, you can see that I expose that Hitler's ideology (Nazi)
was racist ideology, but they until now not yet refute my facts
which I give to them, it imply that they run out of arguments
and not able to prove that Nazi ideology was opposition to
racism, whether they not want to answer my debate post or they
not consider my sayings is important
And seeing this movement that claiming to be an opposition to
racism movement, but at the same time using racist ideological
worldview as their guidelines is just embarassing all of
goodhearted moral movements and this movement is cannot be
trusted
See my debate post on this link/URL :
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/aryanism's-hostility-towards-russia-and-eastern-european-people/msg8015/#msg8015
Any answer and debating my views on Nazi ideology will be
appreciated
And if you not seeing my warning are important, and not want to
give your time to see what I say, at least I try to remind you
that Hitler's ideology was not worth for us who attracted to
opposition to racism
#Post#: 8276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: christianbethel Date: August 24, 2021, 10:14 am
---------------------------------------------------------
What?
#Post#: 8293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 24, 2021, 7:52 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
@christianbethel
[quote]what?[/quote]
If you want to see how "colored" people treated in Nazi Germany,
don't just see the treatment of Jesse Owens, but also see how
ordinary "colored" people who live in Nazi Germany were treated
See this information :
"Colored" people in Germany during Hitler era persecuted and
discriminated by ordinary majority "White European German"
people, and being subject of Hitler's racial law
Source :
HTML https://theconversation.com/what-happened-to-black-germans-under-the-nazis-53599
"A subsequent ruling confirmed that black people (like
“gypsies”) were to be regarded as being “of alien blood” and
subject to the Nuremberg principles. Very few people of African
descent had German citizenship, even if they were born in
Germany, but this became irreversible when they were given
passports that designated them as “stateless negroes”.
In 1941, black children were officially excluded from public
schools, but most of them had suffered racial abuse in their
classrooms much earlier. Some were forced out of school and none
were permitted to go on to university or professional training.
Published interviews and memoirs by both men and women,
unpublished testimony and post-war compensation claims testify
to these and other shared experiences.
Employment prospects which were already poor before 1933 got
worse afterwards. Unable to find regular work, some were drafted
for forced labour as “foreign workers” during World War II.
Films and stage shows making propaganda for the return of
Germany’s African colonies became one of the few sources of
income, especially after black people were banned from other
kinds of public performance in 1939.
Contrary to how "Colored" people were treated in Socialist
Russia during Stalin leadership, Stalin's government struggle
enough to implement good treatment of "colored" people who live
on their land :
"The claim to be free from Western-style race discrimination was
partly true. The Soviet constitutions of 1918 and 1936 declared
equality of rights of all citizens.24 Soviet ethnic and national
categorizations did not align with the racialized thinking that
prevailed in the United States and Western Europe.25"
Source : 25 On Soviet concepts of race, nationality, and
ethnicity, see the provocative article, Weitz, Eric D., “ Racial
Politics without the Concept of Race: Reevaluating Soviet Ethnic
and National Purges,” Slavic Review 61.1 (2002): 1– 29, and the
responses by Francine Hirsch, Amir Weiner, and Alaina Lemon.
The predominant theme in the press coverage was the supposed
lack of national and racial differences among workers in the
Soviet Union, contrasted with the racism and injustice of
American society. “This is not bourgeois America,” declared the
headline in Rabochaia Gazeta.66 Komsomol'skaia Pravda proclaimed
that “all workers are brothers, regardless of the color of their
skin.”67 Trud likewise declared that “the U.S.S.R. is the
fatherland of black, yellow, and white races,” and went so far
as to claim that the incident at Stalingrad was “the only
example” of a racially motivated attack “throughout the entire
existence of the U.S.S.R.”—and that “it must be the last.”68
Source :
66 Rabochaia Gazeta, 11 August 1930, 1.
67 Komsomol'skaia Pravda, 19 August 1930, 1.
68 Trud, 14 August 1930, 1.
Website source :
HTML https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1540-6563.2008.00230.x
Seems people from "Aryanism" community spread misinformation
about Nazi ideology and Hitler apologist propaganda through
their website
HTML http://aryanism.net
and their online forum "True
Left" (website :
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com
)
#Post#: 8294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: Cthens Date: August 24, 2021, 9:14 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=kameradbaren link=topic=159.msg8293#msg8293
date=1629852739]
@christianbethel
[quote]what?[/quote]
If you want to see how "colored" people treated in Nazi Germany,
don't just see the treatment of Jesse Owens, but also see how
ordinary "colored" people who live in Nazi Germany were treated
See this information :
"Colored" people in Germany during Hitler era persecuted and
discriminated by ordinary majority "White European German"
people, and being subject of Hitler's racial law
Source :
HTML https://theconversation.com/what-happened-to-black-germans-under-the-nazis-53599
"A subsequent ruling confirmed that black people (like
“gypsies”) were to be regarded as being “of alien blood” and
subject to the Nuremberg principles. Very few people of African
descent had German citizenship, even if they were born in
Germany, but this became irreversible when they were given
passports that designated them as “stateless negroes”.
In 1941, black children were officially excluded from public
schools, but most of them had suffered racial abuse in their
classrooms much earlier. Some were forced out of school and none
were permitted to go on to university or professional training.
Published interviews and memoirs by both men and women,
unpublished testimony and post-war compensation claims testify
to these and other shared experiences.
Employment prospects which were already poor before 1933 got
worse afterwards. Unable to find regular work, some were drafted
for forced labour as “foreign workers” during World War II.
Films and stage shows making propaganda for the return of
Germany’s African colonies became one of the few sources of
income, especially after black people were banned from other
kinds of public performance in 1939.
Contrary to how "Colored" people were treated in Socialist
Russia during Stalin leadership, Stalin's government struggle
enough to implement good treatment of "colored" people who live
on their land :
"The claim to be free from Western-style race discrimination was
partly true. The Soviet constitutions of 1918 and 1936 declared
equality of rights of all citizens.24 Soviet ethnic and national
categorizations did not align with the racialized thinking that
prevailed in the United States and Western Europe.25"
Source : 25 On Soviet concepts of race, nationality, and
ethnicity, see the provocative article, Weitz, Eric D., “ Racial
Politics without the Concept of Race: Reevaluating Soviet Ethnic
and National Purges,” Slavic Review 61.1 (2002): 1– 29, and the
responses by Francine Hirsch, Amir Weiner, and Alaina Lemon.
The predominant theme in the press coverage was the supposed
lack of national and racial differences among workers in the
Soviet Union, contrasted with the racism and injustice of
American society. “This is not bourgeois America,” declared the
headline in Rabochaia Gazeta.66 Komsomol'skaia Pravda proclaimed
that “all workers are brothers, regardless of the color of their
skin.”67 Trud likewise declared that “the U.S.S.R. is the
fatherland of black, yellow, and white races,” and went so far
as to claim that the incident at Stalingrad was “the only
example” of a racially motivated attack “throughout the entire
existence of the U.S.S.R.”—and that “it must be the last.”68
Source :
66 Rabochaia Gazeta, 11 August 1930, 1.
67 Komsomol'skaia Pravda, 19 August 1930, 1.
68 Trud, 14 August 1930, 1.
Website source :
HTML https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1540-6563.2008.00230.x
Seems people from "Aryanism" community spread misinformation
about Nazi ideology and Hitler apologist propaganda through
their website
HTML http://aryanism.net
and their online forum "True
Left" (website :
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com
)
[/quote]
You are a bumbling idiot. Most of that is blatant lies.
Horst and Herbert Al Cher were two Mulatto wehrmacht soldiers.
Their father, Gustav Al Cher, was full black, in Stahlhelm, and
helped the National socialists gain power. He was given a
magnificent funeral.
What happened in the Rhine is as Hitlerian as pork chops.
Goebbels was explicit about Black Germans being Germans
entirely.
This is hardly truth but it's closer to the correct:
HTML https://www.kxan36news.com/the-palm-tree-and-swastika-black-soldiers-of-the-wehrmacht-tried-to-conquer-the-caucasus?amp
#Post#: 8295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: Cthens Date: August 24, 2021, 9:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Even that isn't the half of it. Ask people who lived in Berlin
during the Reich, black Germans, were not state enemies of any
kind, unlike black French
#Post#: 8296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: Cthens Date: August 24, 2021, 9:22 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
As for your beloved Russia, you belong with such a people, see
how the treat you once you look as tasty as Afghanistan
#Post#: 8297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: Cthens Date: August 24, 2021, 9:44 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=christianbethel link=topic=159.msg8274#msg8274
date=1629810716]
Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
[/quote]
Neither is your incognizance. If you wanted to be past western
propaganda, you could be. It is so incredibly obvious at this
point that the Reich was not White nationalist. At the very most
you could say there was a large number of Nordicists. But they
say stupid shit that you eat up. Like Hitler supposedly saying
that black people are primitive and should be banned from the
Olympics.
"Die Spiele Olympischen 1936" by Leni Riefenstahl (a famous
German film maker), highly praised Jesse Owens without a single
offensive word refering to his racial background.
#Post#: 8301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
By: guest30 Date: August 24, 2021, 10:15 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
@Cthens
[quote]Horst and Herbert Al Cher were two Mulatto wehrmacht
soldiers. Their father, Gustav Al Cher, was full black, in
Stahlhelm, and helped the National socialists gain power. He was
given a magnificent funeral.
What happened in the Rhine is as Hitlerian as pork chops.
Goebbels was explicit about Black Germans being Germans
entirely.[/quote]
Indeed there is some "colored" people live well in Nazi Germany,
but of course it's racial laws not changed until the the defeat
of Nazi Germany, the racial laws still keep that only "White
European" people who are can be classificated as "Aryan", and
only people who have racial background of it who can live with
well treatment in Nazi Germany, people with "colored" racial
background will be mostly persecuted by the state officials
because of the state's hatred towards the "colored" race people
and their deliberate discrimination policy to people of
"colored" race, different in Stalin's Russia, "colored" people
were discriminated not because the government enforce
discrimination policy towards them, but because some of "White
European Russian" people who have a bad attitude towards
"colored" people, so Stalin's ideology is proper to movement
which it's goals is opposition to racism rather than Hitler's
Nazi ideology which it's policies that opposing racism that you
show to me is not clear enough
*****************************************************
DIR Previous Page
DIR Next Page