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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 15, 2023, 9:23 pm
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You must think pretty highly of yourself to assume anyone here
cares enough about you to bait you?
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>
> no
>
> but I'll take the bait. Elysium was essentially saying we
should remember that racism is bad, no matter where its coming
from. That is not the same as saying that Civil Right's
activists should compromise with the KKK.
>
>
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> And fun fact about your guy JAM, he's a serial womanizer with
several kids with several women and is an unabashed pórn addict.
He is also hooked on the MGTOW craze, and literally believes
that women should be treated like property. Last he was on
YouTube, he was streaming for hours rambling about how he is the
Messiah. Last I heard about him from his ex-SIC, he's currently
"drinking himself to death in Mexico". Shortly after being
graced with this information, he began trying to get said ex-SIC
to "play out his fantasies" with him on some game online. I can
go on, but you get the idea.
>
> There's your hero right there pal. But fúck Elysium for saying
"blacks" shouldn't be racist too, right?
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"Blacks" should not identify as "black" because "blackness" was
forced on African sharecroppers in colonial America without
their consent by "whites". "Whites" chose "whiteness" for
themselves, just as Jews chose Jewishness for themselves and
then forced the non-Jew identity on the rest of humanity without
it's consent.
By the way:
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> Just as many are quick to point out the funding of Hitler by
not only American bankers, but also Jews, as a reason to discard
Hitler as “another puppet”.
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HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/elysium/racial-cooperation/
Hitler was NOT funded by "American bankers" or Jews:
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> Bush, Rockefeller, Rothschild & Hitler
> By Michael Collins Piper
>
> Some AMERICAN FREE PRESS readers were upset by the first two
articles in this series reflecting on the proliferation of
myths, phony documents and fraudulent “quotations” muddying
serious research into big issues of the current day and events
of the past.
>
> However, AFP’s job is to report the facts.
>
> This week, we take a look at one particularly ubiquitous
myth—a combination of myths—which has excited many: A variety of
claims the Bush, Rockefeller and Rothschild families and a host
of “Jewish bankers”—together or independently—helped finance
Hitler’s rise to power.
>
> The most cited source for the story Jewish bankers paved the
way for Hitler is Hitler’s Secret Backers, supposedly by a
Jewish banker named Sidney Warburg.
>
> First of all, there was no Sidney Warburg. But those who
actually read the spurious book (and most who cite it haven’t
read it) will find the unknown author says—in contrast to what
people think he said—that Jewish bankers didn’t finance Hitler.
Instead, the book claims some naughty non-Jewish bankers did so.
>
> But even that isn’t true. An accurate assessment by James Pool
in Who Financed Hitler absolutely refutes the legend big banking
or industrial interests played a substantial role funding
Hitler. Most of the Nazi Party’s money came from small
contributions and sales of literature.
>
> No Rothschilds backed Hitler. That’s a myth. One banker, a
practicing Christian of one-quarter Jewish descent, was said—by
one source, passing on a rumor—to have donated money to Hitler.
And that’s it. The one Jewish banker known to have given money
to any Nazis gave it to elements in the Nazi party—the Strasser
brothers—who were trying to stop Hitler.
>
> And Hitler wasn’t descended from any Rothschilds or
Frankenbergers. If he had any Jewish blood, it has never been
authoritatively traced.
>
> One proponent of the claim Hitler was Jewish cites Brigitte
Hamann’s Hitler’s Vienna as proof, pointing out the book
describes stories of Hitler’s Jewish heritage. In fact, Hamann
dissects the legends, refuting them in detail. Scholars such as
Carolyn Yeager and Veronica Clark, in Warwolves of the Iron
Cross, have also demolished the rumors.
>
> Some claim Hitler was pro-Zionist. They are wrong. For a brief
period Hitler did encourage some Zionists in efforts to promote
Jewish immigration from Germany to Palestine, as described in
Edwin Black’s The Transfer Agreement. However, at the same time,
other Zionist forces were calling for war against Hitler as
early as 1933.
>
> The legendary “Nazi-Zionist collaboration” was a tiny blip of
no geopolitical consequence. But it makes for great Internet
chatter.
>
> Others are hysterical over the fact American banks and
corporations worked with the Nazi regime, yet—despite the
frenzy—this is neither a major revelation nor is it
extraordinary.
>
> These were well-known arrangements, sometimes going back
decades, with whatever German government was in power.
>
> Many think that Antony Sutton “proved” in Wall Street and the
Rise of Hitler that Rockefeller-controlled Standard Oil funded
Hitler. However, in his book, Sutton says flatly: “Standard Oil
apparently did not finance Hitler’s accession to power.”
>
> Some cite that same book as evidence the Bush family, with the
Harriman banking interests, funded Hitler. In fact, Sutton says
only that the Harrimans—like many American financial groups—had
connections to corporate interests in Germany. And he concludes
that this “does not suggest that the Harrimans directly financed
Hitler.” He never mentions the Bushes at all.
>
> Another rumor claims the Bushes were part of a “fascist plot”
to overthrow Franklin Roosevelt, often citing Jules Archer’s The
Plot to Seize the White House. While there was a scheme to
dislodge FDR—which many patriots believe to have been a good
thing—the book never mentions the Bushes, nor is there any other
evidence they had anything to do with that plot.
>
> As Detective Sergeant Joe Friday used to say: “Just the
facts.”
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See also:
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 15, 2023, 9:55 pm
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Racism is okay if I pretend it was forced onto me? Astounding.
In that case, let's all be racist because, truth be told, at
this point nearly everyone who goes by the "white"/"black" label
had it forced on them by others.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 15, 2023, 10:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Vrilya link ---
>
> Racism is okay if I pretend it was forced onto me? Astounding.
In that case, let's all be racist because, truth be told, at
this point nearly everyone who goes by the "white"/"black" label
had it forced on them by others.
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"White" identity is racist because it is exclusive and "whites"
chose "white" identity for themselves. "Black" identity is not
racist because it is not exclusive and "blacks" did not choose
"black" identity for themselves. A "white" who is not racist in
their heart should stop identifying as "white" if they want to
be true to themselves and the others outside of the "white"
tribe.
You are right in stating that "white" identity was forced on
many Europeans by the American colonial elite:
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> “When the first Africans arrived in Virginia in 1619, there
were no ‘white’ people there; nor, according to the colonial
records, would there be for another sixty years.” — Theodore W.
Allen
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> The Virginians legislated a new class of people into
existence: the whites. They gave the whites certain rights, and
took other rights from blacks. White, as a language of race,
appears in Virginia around the 1680s, and seems to first appear
in Virginia law in 1691. And thus whiteness, and to a degree as
well blackness, was born in the mind of [Colonial] America.
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However, once many Europeans became "white" they did not resist
the identity, but accepted it for themselves because ultimately
they wanted to be in better with the colonial elite than the
newly minted "blacks" were, since that colonial elite stripped
"blacks" of certain rights. This is when the colonial elite
passed the anti-miscegenation laws to stop "whites" and "blacks"
from co-mingling. This is also around the same time "whites"
were forced to participate in slave patrols in "black"
communities.
Lastly, if you are on Elysium's side, then why do you make
circular arguments, I thought Elysium identified that as a
specifically Jewish tactic in this post?:
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> It has been started previously that the Jews create circular
relationships, beliefs, structures and concepts in order to
divide and paralyse the goyim.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 16, 2023, 1:53 am
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JAM never promoted any claim that "blacks" are superior to any
other "non-white" category. He has only ever promoted claims
that "blacks" are superior to "whites". That is not
"Afrocentrism". But when Elysium heard JAM claim "black"
superiority over "white", he erroneously presumed that JAM was
claiming "black" superiority over everyone else, because the
possibility that "blacks" could be superior to "whites" but not
necessarily superior to other "non-whites" (in other words, that
"whites" are inferior to everyone else) was a notion beyond the
bounds of Elysium's contemplation. This told me all I needed to
know about the unspoken null hierarchy inside Elysium's mind.
In a private email to Elysium, I reminded him that even Myatt
had singled out the "White Hordes" for condemnation on account
of their historically unique Homo Hubris behaviour. I did not
hear back from Elysium directly on this subject, but shortly
after, oregoncoug and delendaestziobot started trying to
discredit Myatt.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 16, 2023, 9:02 am
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@2ThaSun
>and "whites" chose "white" identity for themselves.
Hundreds of years ago, sure. But not anymore. You are ignoring
my point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them.
>because it is not exclusive
umm... yes it is. You have to have dark skin and African
ancestry to be "black". Ask an actual "black" person if they
consider whiggers to be "black". You are ignoring my point that
by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label forced on
them.
>and "blacks" did not choose "black" identity for themselves.
but they absolutely do now! Try telling this to an actual
"black" person and you'll know what I mean. You are ignoring my
point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them.
>A "white" who is not racist in their heart should stop
identifying as "white" if they want to be true to themselves and
the others outside of the "white" tribe.
Yep. "Blacks" too. Ten bucks that you're going to ignore my
point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 16, 2023, 9:22 am
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@90sRetroFan
>JAM never promoted any claim that "blacks" are superior to any
other "non-white" category. He has only ever promoted claims
that "blacks" are superior to "whites". That is not
"Afrocentrism".
I don't care if he meant "racist Westerners" when he said
"white". Most people, "blacks" included, read this as a racist
claim stating that "brown skin better than beige skin". Elysium
was correct in anticipating that this would lead to the
popularity of "black" tribalism, because that is what exactly
happened both within Aryanism and wider culture.
And I mean honestly, why are you trying to have a pissing match
over which colonial identity is better? Both cultural identities
are terrible, whatever happened to Universalism and Solar
Civilization?
>I reminded him that even Myatt had singled out the "White
Hordes" for condemnation on account of their historically unique
Homo Hubris behaviour.
Your issue is your inability to grasp the nuance between
technocratic Western chauvinists, common people with beige skin,
and how they shouldn't be lumped into the same group. Even your
own supporters on this forum understand this distinction, and I
bet old Davey-san does too.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 16, 2023, 9:26 am
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mfs will literally rewrite the Koran before going Vegan
#Post#: 20403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 16, 2023, 9:30 am
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You all speak of gravure as a more graceful alternative to
replace pórn. Very well. But am I "psychologically unhealthy"
because I don't want to jack off to that video? What the fúck?
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Re: Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
DIR By: Vrilya
Date: June 16, 2023, 9:36 am
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>inb4 you say gravure is just erotic "teasing" and doesn't have
to include mastúrbation. We all know where this is going, and we
all know what's on your hard drive.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 16, 2023, 1:02 pm
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"Hundreds of years ago, sure. But not anymore. You are ignoring
my point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them."
You lack reading comprehension and you accuse others of exactly
what it is that you yourself do. I did not ignore your point,
this is why I posted this on the Ascesis Foundation thread and
in 'The "Black" and "White" Identity Politics Scam' thread:
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> Here's what I would do if someone proved to me beyond a
reasonable doubt that the identity that had been forced on me
was in fact evil: I would instantly stop identifying with that
identity, and then spend the rest of my life denouncing it
publicly whenever possible. I figure that would be the least I
should do in order to attempt to right the wrong for those who
had been wronged by the evil identity that had been forced on me
without my consent. To not do so would only mean that I actually
do consent to said evil identity and that I have no problem with
the evil, would it not?
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"Whiteness" is a colonial identity and a slave-master identity
gifted to SOME Europeans initially by the American colonial
elite. You just want to defend "whiteness"...
"umm... yes it is. You have to have dark skin and African
ancestry to be "black". Ask an actual "black" person if they
consider whiggers to be "black". You are ignoring my point that
by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label forced on
them."
My "black" friends never called me "whigger", and they even told
me I wasn't "white" long before I even understood "whiteness".
"but they absolutely do now! Try telling this to an actual
"black" person and you'll know what I mean. You are ignoring my
point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them."
The point is, which you fail to see over and over again, that
"blacks" cannot stop being "black" until "whites" stop being
"white" first, which is what we argue for. You are full of
shyte.
"Yep. "Blacks" too. Ten bucks that you're going to ignore my
point that by now, everyone has had the "black"/"white" label
forced on them."
$10 bucks says you will continue to ignore everything I have
said here and in the Ascesis Foundation thread and then accuse
me once again of ignoring your points. Then you will claim you
won this debate. ;D
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