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#Post#: 8873--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 18, 2021, 6:12 am
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@Dazhbog, Anglophile Leftist, Hitlerist
--- Quote ---
> [quote]your speculation about potential recolonization is
impossible
--- End Quote ---
No, see the separatist movements in East Timor and
Papua.[/quote]
They want to seccede from Nusantara because bad treatment caused
by discriminative Suharto government's policies, Sukarno made
them had self-esteem, and Suharto made them feel more inferior
if compared by another "Native Nusantara" people in other
Nusantara's territory, if Suharto gave them facilities which
good on quality same like how other Nusantara people got, they
will not had any intention to seccede, and because of
discriminative policy of Suharto regime, even majority of East
Timor people wanted to seccede which happen in 1999
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/08010b44a7ef79a415a3ab4f2e21a9ee/8796e372431c1075-26/s640x960/4df26f950986311b9679cf79af439408d6295649.jpg
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_East_Timorese_independence_referendum#Background
And if you read the information, there is no single mention
about attempt by Portuguese to recolonize Nusantara, just
UN-arranged meetings which attended by representatives of
Nusantara and Portuguese to discuss East Timor question
And also, indeed there's some Papuan people want to seccede, and
they even not have any single idea to be wanted to be
recolonized by the Dutch
--- Quote ---
> The principle moral evil of communism is that it aims to
establish an utopian society so pleasurable that people will
feel no desire to transcend material existence altogether,
leading to a potentially infinite number of non-consensual
childbirths and thus, a potentially infinite number of victims
of initiated violence.
>
> Add to that communism's inherent class identitarianism, which
arbitrarily forces people into categories ("proletarian",
"bourgeois", "kulak" and so on) they didn't choose.
--- End Quote ---
You cannot live in this world without violence, and on class
identitarianism case, people can change their class identity by
choose a job which make them can be considered as class which
approved by the government, and people cannot change their
racial background, so change identity background which imposed
by Hitler's regime is almost impossible compared to on Soviet
Russia's regime
--- Quote ---
> [quote]During the war "colored" people in Nazi Germany was
categorized as "Third-Class Citizens" without their consent
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.[/quote]
If you read the Veronika Kuzniar Clark's "Black Nazis II" book,
you will know how "black" people in Nazi Germany considered as
"Third-Class Citizens", seem I already explain this to you on
previous conversation post, but you ignoring it, and your
attitude showing your total arrogance on doing discussion
--- Quote ---
> [quote]according to Ester Anumu Fordham, "black" people cannot
marry a "White European" people in Nazi Germany, including her,
who are from Togo, former German colony
--- End Quote ---
That doesn't entitle her to act on her Eurocentrism
either.[/quote]
And she still prohibited to intermarry with "White German"
people, even tough she was not people of former French
nationality, what is that if that is not racism?
--- Quote ---
> [quote]even Eastern European people from Poland to Soviet
Russia who forced by Nazi troops to did force labor in many Nazi
occupied territory including inside Nazi Germany itself are
prohibited to intermarry with "White European" people in Nazi
Germany, even they can be considered as "White European" if we
see their skin color and body shape
--- End Quote ---
...which at least proves that Hitler didn't care about
"whiteness".[/quote]
...which at least proves that Hitler very care about the purity
of "White European" racial stock, remember that Eastern European
people are ever racially mixed with Asiatic Mongol people, so
they are not racially "pure White European"
I already covered how at least the Russians have always been
treated as "white" (by the Germans in particular!):
...
--- Quote ---
> The 1890s and 1900s marked the height of the "Yellow Peril"
propaganda by the German government, and the German Emperor
Wilhelm II (r. 1888–1918) often wrote letters to his cousin
Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, praising him as the "saviour of
the white race" and urging Russia forward in Asia.
--- End Quote ---
Hitler more know about the purity of "White European" people,
and he correctly consider Eastern European people are not really
pure "White", that is why they cannot marry the "pure White
European German" people
And I'm glad that Tsar Nicholas II ruthlessly murdered by
Communist anti-colonial movement Bolshevik people
--- Quote ---
> Will the 'Tsar' likewise betray the interests of the White
Race to the Yellow as to be 'left in peace' and not embarrass
the Hague tribunal too much?"
--- End Quote ---
Your Anglophilic Worldview is supporting interest of the White
Race you know, since Anglophile nations today always oppress
non-White nations all around the world with their capitalist
debt-based economic system, you not realize that, or you just
pretend to not know about that?
--- Quote ---
> Jinglei Wan, a historian based in Shanghai says the Russians
in the city had a unique position in the race-based hierarchy in
the city. “They enjoyed a status that was higher than the
Chinese [...].
>
> ...
>
> “The poorer of the lot even became beggars, burglars and
pick-pockets,” says Wan “When they were caught, they were tried
under Chinese law since they lost extraterritorial protections
when they refused Soviet citizenship.” He adds that the poorer
Russians were an “eyesore” for the Westerners who hated the
sight of destitute drunken Europeans being arrested by the
police.
--- End Quote ---
And, they refused Soviet citizenship, so that is not the concern
of Soviet Russia, but only to "White Russian" people who are in
Shanghai
And also, if you still equate Tsarist Russia's worldview with
the view of Communist Russia, no surprise if you still see
Communist Russia was racist, and I am view them have different
worldview
--- Quote ---
> [quote]support Palestine
--- End Quote ---
The point is to oppose Israel, not to support Palestine. Not
recognizing either Israel or Palestine is also superior to
recognizing both Israel and Palestine.[/quote]
Try to tell that to BDS movement community, see how far you can
get approval from them
--- Quote ---
> [quote]I more respect quality of a material rather than the
origin of invention of a material
--- End Quote ---
The point is that you prefer Western designs over Nusantaran
designs, thereby exposing yourself as an aesthetic
Westerner.[/quote]
If we use Western aesthetic without following their evil
worldview, what is the problem, it just a clothes you know?
#Post#: 8875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 18, 2021, 7:49 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Suharto made them feel more inferior [...], if Suharto gave
them facilities which good on quality [...], they will not had
any intention to seccede
--- End Quote ---
How is it Suharto's fault that they desire a colonized
lifestyle?
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> there is no single mention about attempt by Portuguese to
recolonize Nusantara
--- End Quote ---
I already covered that:
--- Quote from: Dazhbog link ---
> The point is that the Fretilin wants to preserve a border
violently imposed on Timor by the Dutch and the Portuguese,
thereby perpetuating the violence initiated by them.
--- End Quote ---
You are illiterate!
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And also, indeed there's some Papuan people want to seccede,
and they even not have any single idea to be wanted to be
recolonized by the Dutch
--- End Quote ---
From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And the fact is Papuan people want the more luxury and
comfortable living from Western standards
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> You cannot live in this world without violence
--- End Quote ---
...hence why we want to transcend it.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> and on class identitarianism case, people can change their
class identity by choose a job which make them can be considered
as class which approved by the government
--- End Quote ---
Not in the Soviet Union at least. From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Stalin did not not trust and such traitorous people and his
paranoia feeling made him to expel them as a whole
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> If you read the Veronika Kuzniar Clark's "Black Nazis II"
book, you will know how "black" people in Nazi Germany
considered as "Third-Class Citizens", seem I already explain
this to you on previous conversation post, but you ignoring it,
and your attitude showing your total arrogance on doing
discussion
--- End Quote ---
I take it you are unable to elaborate then.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And she still prohibited to intermarry with "White German"
people, even tough she was not people of former French
nationality, what is that if that is not racism?
--- End Quote ---
Reproductive decolonization.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> remember that Eastern European people are ever racially mixed
with Asiatic Mongol people, so they are not racially "pure White
European"
--- End Quote ---
If Hitler had a problem with "Asiatics", he wouldn't have allied
with China and then Japan.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Hitler more know about the purity of "White European" people
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Your Anglophilic Worldview is supporting interest of the White
Race you know
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> White Nationalist and Neo Nazi people [...] today [...] more
see Russia as a good thing rather than the Anglophile nation
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And, they refused Soviet citizenship, so that is not the
concern of Soviet Russia, but only to "White Russian" people who
are in Shanghai
--- End Quote ---
The point is that they were Russian and deemed "white" by their
fellow Western colonialists.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And also, if you still equate Tsarist Russia's worldview with
the view of Communist Russia
--- End Quote ---
As far as their colonialism is concerned, I do.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Try to tell that to BDS movement community, see how far you
can get approval from them
--- End Quote ---
If they disagree, they cannot be taken seriously as
anti-Zionists.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> it just a clothes you know?
--- End Quote ---
Your clothes are always an expression of your personality.
#Post#: 8878--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 18, 2021, 12:25 pm
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@Dazhbog, Leftist Anglophile, Hitlerist
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Suharto made them feel more inferior [...], if Suharto
gave them facilities which good on quality [...], they will not
had any intention to seccede
--- End Quote ---
How is it Suharto's fault that they desire a colonized
lifestyle?[/quote]
Human naturally want something that make them have more
comfortable living, so that is fault of human natural behaviour,
that is why many people who ever colonized by the Western
European people still got atttracted to live with facilities
which built by them (Western European people), so, if a nation
doesn't have much comfort facilities for their people, some of
people will try to leave that nation for the sake searching
better live, or even want to make separatist movement to seccede
and make their own nation, and try to make their nation has more
good facilities and comfort living more than the nation they try
to seccede, so, Suharto was total fault and mistreat his own
people
--- Quote ---
> [quote]there is no single mention about attempt by Portuguese
to recolonize Nusantara
--- End Quote ---
I already covered that:
The point is that the Fretilin wants to preserve a border
violently imposed on Timor by the Dutch and the Portuguese,
thereby perpetuating the violence initiated by them.[/quote]
Sukarno also made nation of Nusantara with border that formerly
specified or invented by Dutch (Netherland) colonial government,
what matter is, as long as the government give a good policy
that make fair treatment to their people, and keep the nation
run well, such a border that formerly invented by previous
colonial nation is not a problem
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And also, indeed there's some Papuan people want to
seccede, and they even not have any single idea to be wanted to
be recolonized by the Dutch
--- End Quote ---
From your own post:
--- Quote ---
> And the fact is Papuan people want the more luxury and
comfortable living from Western standards
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
They wanted better living standards which should be given by
Nusantara people who are already try to integrate them, but
Suharto did otherwise, give better living standards only to
Western Nusantara people but not to Papuan people who also
wanted that thing, so the seccesion is because unfair treatment,
not because they wanted to be recolonized
--- Quote ---
> [quote]You cannot live in this world without violence
--- End Quote ---
...hence why we want to transcend it.[/quote]
Keep imagining the delusion of the afterlife and the end times,
many people from various civilization predicted the end times
and afterlife, but their prediction always false, so, this
material world will exist forever
--- Quote ---
> [quote]and on class identitarianism case, people can change
their class identity by choose a job which make them can be
considered as class which approved by the government
--- End Quote ---
Not in the Soviet Union at least. From your own post:
--- Quote ---
> Stalin did not not trust and such traitorous people and his
paranoia feeling made him to expel them as a whole
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
See this information, after Nikita Kruschev continued Soviet
Russia leadership after Stalin, he condemned the deportation
policy :
"In February 1956, Nikita Khrushchev in his speech On the
Personality Cult and its Consequences condemned the deportations
as a violation of Leninist principles:
"All the more monstrous are the acts whose initiator was Stalin
and which are violations of the basic Leninist principles of the
national policy of the Soviet state. We refer to the mass
deportations from their native places of whole nations... This
deportation action was not dictated by any military
considerations. Thus, already at the end of 1943, when there
occurred a permanent breakthrough at the fronts... a decision
was taken and executed concerning the deportation of all the
Karachay from the lands on which they lived. In the same period,
at the end of December 1943, the same lot befell whole
population of the Autonomous Kalmyk Republic. In March all the
Chechen and Ingush peoples were deported and the Chechen-Ingush
Autonomous Republic was liquidated. In April 1944, all Balkars
were deported to faraway places from the territory of the
Kalbino-Balkar Autonomous Republic and the Republic itself was
renamed the Autonomous Kabardin Republic.[49]"
And also, all form of deportation and population transfer are
because their betrayal action to the state like collaborated
with Soviet Russia's enemies like Nazi Germany and Japanese, not
because racial reason, and not just "Non-White European" people
who face deportation, even Polish, Ukrainain, Baltic, and German
people who can be considered as racially "White European", also
face deportation and population transfer policy, it imply that
Soviet Russia did not care about race, or even "White Race"
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
--- Quote ---
> [quote]If you read the Veronika Kuzniar Clark's "Black Nazis
II" book, you will know how "black" people in Nazi Germany
considered as "Third-Class Citizens", seem I already explain
this to you on previous conversation post, but you ignoring it,
and your attitude showing your total arrogance on doing
discussion
--- End Quote ---
I take it you are unable to elaborate then.[/quote]
"Black" people in Germany during Hitler's regime were not
segregrated, but still discriminated, they considered as
racially inferior and prohibited to intermarry and have children
with "White European German" people, they banned from some
public jobs that only available to "White European" people who
live in Hitler's Germany, this event is deliberately made by
Hitler's government people, and it was in line to what Hitler
said about how he saw "black" people, see his sayings :
«France is and remains by far the most terrible enemy. This
people, which is basically becoming more and more negrified,
constitutes in its tie with the aims of Jewish world domination
an enduring danger for the existence of the white race in
Europe. For the contamination by Negro blood on the Rhine in the
heart of Europe is just as much in keeping with the perverted
sadistic thirst for vengeance of this hereditary enemy of our
people as is the ice-cold calculation of the Jew thus to begin
bastardizing the European continent at its core and to deprive
the white race of the foundations for a sovereign existence
through infection with lower humanity.» volume two, chapter XIII
of Mein Kampf
«Germanization can only be applied to soil and never to people.
It is a scarcely conceivable fallacy of thought to believe that
a Negro or a Chinese, let us say, will turn into a German…» –
Mein Kampf, volume two, chapter II «The State», «False
Conceptions of ‘Germanisation’»
"...In the same way, it was not America that discovered Europe,
but the other way around. And all that which America did not get
from Europe may seem worthy of admiration to a Jewified mixed
race, but Europe regards that merely as symptomatic of decay in
artistic and cultural life, the product of Jewish or Negroid
blood mixture." - Adolf Hitler's speech on 11 December 1941
Hitler forbid intermarry between "White European" people and
"Colored Non-White European" people because it resulting
offsprings who are not have pure "White European" racial
background, and Hitler consider people with mixed race between
"White European" and "Colored Non-White European" are resulting
lower culture and artistic life which made by them, not because
such intermarry will resulting offsprings who attracted to
"Eurocentrism" worldview, even Hitler never said anything about
word "Eurocentrism" on his speeches and his conversation with
his confidant, so your thoughs that Hitler forbid interracial
marriage because preventing Eurocentrist offsprings are just
your own making up, and from that reason, Hitler considered
"Colored Non-White European" people like "black" people as
citizens of lower class than the "White European" citizens
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And she still prohibited to intermarry with "White
German" people, even tough she was not people of former French
nationality, what is that if that is not racism?
--- End Quote ---
Reproductive decolonization.[/quote]
If people attracted to "White European" people and intermarry
with them you considered as reproductive colonization, then what
example of intermarriage between "White European" people and
"Colored Non-White European" people which not resulting
reproductive colonization? Soon your reasoning of prohibition of
intermarriage between "White European" people and "Non-White
European" people will be made as another reason to keep "White
European" people racially pure by "White Nationalist" people,
soon they will agree with you, what is that if that is not
racialism or racism?
--- Quote ---
> [quote]remember that Eastern European people are ever racially
mixed with Asiatic Mongol people, so they are not racially "pure
White European"
--- End Quote ---
If Hitler had a problem with "Asiatics", he wouldn't have allied
with China and then Japan.[/quote]
Had Hitler's peace proposal was accepted by Britain (United
Kingdom), Hitler will more allied with the Anglophiles rather
than the "colored" people of Japan and China, Hitler's alliance
with Japan and China just for cooperation reason during the war
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Hitler more know about the purity of "White European"
people
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.[/quote]
Explaining Hitler's saying on considering Russian people as also
part of Asian people are enough, see Hitler's private
conversation :
"Asia, what a disquieting reservoir of men ! The safety of
Europe will not be assured until we have driven Asia back behind
the Urals. No organised Russian State must be allowed to exist
west of that line. They are brutes, and neither Bolshevism nor
Tsarism makes any difference—they are brutes in a state of
nature" - Adolf Hitler
Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 42 (PDF format's page)
paragraph 5
Hitler even considered states which needed to be driven out
behind the Ural mountain are "Asiatic", even tough the
population are mostly can be considered as racially "White
European"
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Your Anglophilic Worldview is supporting interest of
the White Race you know
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
White Nationalist and Neo Nazi people [...] today [...] more see
Russia as a good thing rather than the Anglophile nation[/quote]
If you not consider the Anglophile nations's military domination
across the world and their placement of military base across
non-Western European nations like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea,
Middle East, and also their forced implementation of debt-based
economic system to the rest of the world is not benefitting them
and supporting "the interest of White Race", the issue is on you
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And, they refused Soviet citizenship, so that is not
the concern of Soviet Russia, but only to "White Russian" people
who are in Shanghai
--- End Quote ---
The point is that they were Russian and deemed "white" by their
fellow Western colonialists.[/quote]
And they are not part of Soviet Russia anymore, so it was not
Soviet Russia's responsibility
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And also, if you still equate Tsarist Russia's
worldview with the view of Communist Russia
--- End Quote ---
As far as their colonialism is concerned, I do.[/quote]
Your ignorance prevent you to see how Soviet Russia was
anti-colonialism
--- Quote ---
> T[quote]ry to tell that to BDS movement community, see how far
you can get approval from them
--- End Quote ---
If they disagree, they cannot be taken seriously as
anti-Zionists.[/quote]
At least, they are have many supporter across the world, you
just only 10 people, very easy to be destroyed
--- Quote ---
> [quote]it just a clothes you know?
--- End Quote ---
Your clothes are always an expression of your
personality.[/quote]
And 1950s clothes and fashion showing the best quality of
clothes, I am 50sRetroFan
#Post#: 8888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 19, 2021, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Inferior Human naturally want something that make them have
more comfortable living by Western standards, so that is fault
of inferior human natural behaviour, that is why many inferior
people who ever colonized by the Western European people still
got atttracted to live with facilities which built by them
(Western European people)
--- End Quote ---
Fixed. Suharto had no obligation to cave in to their
inferiority.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Sukarno also made nation of Nusantara with border that
formerly specified or invented by Dutch (Netherland) colonial
government
--- End Quote ---
The point is that the Fretilin defended the border against a
victim of colonialism, not against the colonizer.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> the seccesion is because unfair treatment, not because they
wanted to be recolonized
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And the fact is Papuan people want the more luxury and
comfortable living from Western standards
--- End Quote ---
You are illiterate!
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Keep imagining the delusion of the afterlife and the end times
--- End Quote ---
I simply believe that whatever lies beyond material existence,
no matter if heaven, hell or just the great nothingness, is
superior to material existence.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> this material world will exist forever
--- End Quote ---
We are here to prevent this.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> he condemned the deportation policy
--- End Quote ---
Did he end the policy of forcing people into categories they
didn't choose?
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And also, all form of deportation and population transfer are
because their betrayal action to the state
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Stalin did not not trust and such traitorous people and his
paranoia feeling made him to expel them as a whole
--- End Quote ---
You are illiterate!
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> not just "Non-White European" people who face deportation
--- End Quote ---
...and once more:
--- Quote from: Dazhbog link ---
> What matters is that Stalin treated people based on categories
they themselves didn't choose.
--- End Quote ---
You are illiterate!
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> they considered as racially inferior
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> prohibited to intermarry and have children with "White
European German" people
--- End Quote ---
I already covered that:
--- Quote from: Dazhbog link ---
> Reproductive decolonization.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> they banned from some public jobs that only available to
"White European" people
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> This people, which is basically becoming more and more
negrified
>
> ...
>
> contamination by Negro blood on the Rhine
>
> ...
>
> bastardizing the European continent
--- End Quote ---
He is criticizing reproductive Eurocentrism.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> enduring danger for the existence of the white race in Europe
>
> ...
>
> to deprive the white race of the foundations for a sovereign
existence through infection with lower humanity.»
--- End Quote ---
In other words, he doesn't consider the so-called "white race"
valuable by itself, but only a certain element within it, to
which it owes what he calls its "foundations for a sovereign
existence". He accurately deems this element to be threatened by
reproductive Eurocentrism, which reinforces other, inferior
elements.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> It is a scarcely conceivable fallacy of thought to believe
that a Negro or a Chinese, let us say, will turn into a German…»
--- End Quote ---
Hitler is accurately attacking the colonialist belief in a
civilizing mission.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And all that which America did not get from Europe may seem
worthy of admiration to a Jewified mixed race, but Europe
regards that merely as symptomatic of decay in artistic and
cultural life, the product of Jewish or Negroid blood mixture."
--- End Quote ---
This quote has to be read in context with National Socialist
criticism of the Jazz music of their time. In effect, he is
criticizing Jews and "black" Eurocentrists for perverting
authentic American culture (in particular "black" American
culture) by appropriating it into more complex, Western
Civilization-leaning forms.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> If people attracted to "White European" people and intermarry
with them you considered as reproductive colonization, then what
example of intermarriage between "White European" people and
"Colored Non-White European" people which not resulting
reproductive colonization?
--- End Quote ---
Those explicitly ordered to reproduce by a National Socialist
state with complete control over reproduction after a thorough
racial evaluation of both partners.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Soon your reasoning of prohibition of intermarriage between
"White European" people and "Non-White European" people will be
made as another reason to keep "White European" people racially
pure by "White Nationalist" people, soon they will agree with
you
--- End Quote ---
The difference is that we don't want "whites" to reproduce at
all, neither with non-"whites" nor with other "whites", unless
they are explicitly ordered to by a National Socialist state
with complete control over reproduction after a thorough racial
evaluation of both partners.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Had Hitler's peace proposal was accepted by Britain (United
Kingdom), Hitler will more allied with the Anglophiles rather
than the "colored" people of Japan and China
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate on Hitler's plans to ditch Japan/China as soon
as he had an alliance with Britain.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Explaining Hitler's saying on considering Russian people as
also part of Asian people are enough
--- End Quote ---
He is referring to the geographic origin of the steppe peoples
without stating whether he deems them "white" or not.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Anglophile nations's military domination across the world and
their placement of military base across non-Western European
nations
--- End Quote ---
This strongly depends on whether the countries in which these
bases are built are themselves allowed to station troops in the
countries which built these bases and whether these bases are
directed against non-"white" countries (such as China) or
"white" countries (such as Israel and Russia).
At the moment, neither of the two is the case as far as I am
aware, so your criticism is entirely valid (and I never meant to
defend the status quo in this regard). However, there is a
realistic perspective that this may change with the shifting
demographics in many Anglosphere- and EU/NATO-countries, which
is why WNs already now prefer Russia.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 19, 2021, 10:03 am
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@Dazhbog, Anglophile Leftist, Hitlerist, Nazi Revisionist
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Inferior Human naturally want something that make them
have more comfortable living by Western standards, so that is
fault of inferior human natural behaviour, that is why many
inferior people who ever colonized by the Western European
people still got atttracted to live with facilities which built
by them (Western European people)
--- End Quote ---
Fixed. Suharto had no obligation to cave in to their
inferiority.[/quote]
If Suharto had no obligation to the human behaviour which you
considered it as "inferiority", then he also not make Western
Nusantara people to have industrialized lifestyle, but he did
such thing to Western Nusantara people, it imply that he wanted
to make some of Nusantara people to use the lifestyle which you
considered it as sign of "inferiority"
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Sukarno also made nation of Nusantara with border that
formerly specified or invented by Dutch (Netherland) colonial
government
--- End Quote ---
The point is that the Fretilin defended the border against a
victim of colonialism, not against the colonizer.[/quote]
And Fretilin gain independence not just from Nusantara, but
their evil colonizer Portuguese, it means the Fretilin people
gain independence, not recolonization
--- Quote ---
> [quote]the seccesion is because unfair treatment, not because
they wanted to be recolonized
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
--- Quote ---
> And the fact is Papuan people want the more luxury and
comfortable living from Western standards
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
The Papuan people want more comfortable living and luxury which
they know from how Western standards are implemented to their
fellow Nusantara people by Suharto regime, and they wanted
Suharto to did that to them, not wanted the Dutch (Neherlands)
back and recolonize them
--- Quote ---
> [quote]he condemned the deportation policy
--- End Quote ---
Did he end the policy of forcing people into categories they
didn't choose?[/quote]
Nikita Kruschev only made categorization based on class, and
that is alright and not a problem according to me, if you not
wanted to be persecuted in socialist state, don't be a Kulaks
and racist people...
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And also, all form of deportation and population
transfer are because their betrayal action to the state
--- End Quote ---
No. From your own post:
--- Quote ---
> Stalin did not trust and such traitorous people and his
paranoia feeling made him to expel them as a whole
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
And Stalin's feel paranoid to a group of people who betray to
the state, so that is rational reason, not racial reason, had I
am being a leader, even I am not hesitate to expel the Chinese
people on Nusantara because their behaviour which like Kulaks,
and also "White" people from Western Europe who are have
vacation in Bali (Denpasar) because they are potentially a spy
who want to leak our national security, remembering that our
people are ever oppressed by Western Europe economically and
militarily
--- Quote ---
> [quote]not just "Non-White European" people who face
deportation
--- End Quote ---
...and once more:
What matters is that Stalin treated people based on categories
they themselves didn't choose.[/quote]
As long as the categorization is not racial categorization, that
is justified, non-racial categorization still give people a
chance to change their behaviour to category of people that
state approved, meanwhile people cannot change their racial
categorization
--- Quote ---
> [quote]they considered as racially inferior
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.[/quote]
If Hitler not considered "black" people as inferior, then he not
made many negative statements about "black" people in his book
"Mein Kampf", and on his private conversation which booked into
"Table Talk" book, on his speeches which talking about the Negro
black" people in 11 December 1941, and he not made racial policy
which consider "black" people as "Third-Class Citizens" and
prohibited to intermarry with "Native White German" people, all
of the fact which I provide is clear brother...
--- Quote ---
> prohibited to intermarry and have children with "White
European German" people
>
> I already covered that:
>
> [quote]Reproductive decolonization.
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
I not yet found a word and a sentence, and also a policy from
Hitler regime which explain the prohibition to intermarriage
with "Native White German" people which contain a sentence and
word "Eurocentrism", even what I got from researching Hitler's
racial policy is, the prohibition of intermarriage between them
is because Nazi regime want to protect the purity of "White
European" race and the rejection to people of "colored" races
who bring lower culture and civilization if it compared to Aryan
civilization, or "White European" Western Civilization, so,
Hitler's racial policy is about the racial purity, not about
"reproductive decolonization"
--- Quote ---
> [quote]they banned from some public jobs that only available
to "White European" people
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate.[/quote]
See this historical information about how "black" people were
treated in Nazi Germany
However, they did face widespread
discrimination which made it difficult to get jobs and
they were forbidden to attend university. Some black
people were able to make careers in the entertainment
industry, taking small roles in films or performing in
travelling circus-style shows of ‘traditional African
dance and song’ which were partly intended to show
the supposed ‘inferiority’ of black culture. A more
openly racist policy was followed towards jazz, which
the Nazis described as ‘degenerate music’. Jazz was
presented as a ‘primitive’ form of music which had been
exploited by American Jews to corrupt German society.
It was therefore banned from public radio in 1935 and
Nazi propaganda used racist images in an attempt to
discredit it. Even though it became increasingly difficult
to buy jazz records, some white teenagers, mainly in
Hamburg and Berlin, continued to listen to jazz in clubs
or their homes. In August 1941 more than 300 of
these ‘Swingjugend’ (‘Swing Youth’) were arrested;
some were eventually sent to concentration camps –
essentially for listening to black music!
Source :
HTML https://neu.org.uk/media/2886/view
--- Quote ---
> [quote]This people, which is basically becoming more and more
negrified
>
> ...
>
> contamination by Negro blood on the Rhine
>
> ...
>
> bastardizing the European continent
--- End Quote ---
He is criticizing reproductive Eurocentrism.[/quote]
Hitler is condemning "black" people's blood polluting "White
European" people's blood through intermarriage
--- Quote ---
> [quote]enduring danger for the existence of the white race in
Europe
>
> ...
>
> to deprive the white race of the foundations for a sovereign
existence through infection with lower humanity.»
--- End Quote ---
In other words, he doesn't consider the so-called "white race"
valuable by itself, but only a certain element within it, to
which it owes what he calls its "foundations for a sovereign
existence". He accurately deems this element to be threatened by
reproductive Eurocentrism, which reinforces other, inferior
elements.[/quote]
He considered the spread of "colored" race people to Europe were
big threat to "white" race existence, there is no single word of
"Eurocentrism" on Hitler' sayings which I provide, so don't
making up
--- Quote ---
> [quote]It is a scarcely conceivable fallacy of thought to
believe that a Negro or a Chinese, let us say, will turn into a
German…»
--- End Quote ---
Hitler is accurately attacking the colonialist belief in a
civilizing mission.[/quote]
Hitler is describing that is wrong if we see that a Negro and
Chinese people can be a German people
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And all that which America did not get from Europe may
seem worthy of admiration to a Jewified mixed race, but Europe
regards that merely as symptomatic of decay in artistic and
cultural life, the product of Jewish or Negroid blood mixture."
--- End Quote ---
This quote has to be read in context with National Socialist
criticism of the Jazz music of their time. In effect, he is
criticizing Jews and "black" Eurocentrists for perverting
authentic American culture (in particular "black" American
culture) by appropriating it into more complex, Western
Civilization-leaning forms.[/quote]
Hitler criticizing the mixed race because the product of Negroid
blood which he considered as a way to make the artistic and
cultural life decadent, don't making up
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Soon your reasoning of prohibition of intermarriage
between "White European" people and "Non-White European" people
will be made as another reason to keep "White European" people
racially pure by "White Nationalist" people, soon they will
agree with you
--- End Quote ---
The difference is that we don't want "whites" to reproduce at
all, neither with non-"whites" nor with other "whites", unless
they are explicitly ordered to by a National Socialist state
with complete control over reproduction after a thorough racial
evaluation of both partners.[/quote]
This make "White" people's population on this world totally
shrink or even almost extinct, seeing you want total restriction
to "White European" people on reproducing, regardless your
strange interpretation about Hitler and Nazi ideolog and also
your view that also support Hitler, if your political goals are
including this, then I admire that, destruction of "White
European" people mean the destruction of evil colonizer people,
and the Jewish people will have no power had it happen, because
most of Jewish people's source of political and military power
are come from "White European" help, especially "White European"
people of Western Europe and the Anglophiles
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Had Hitler's peace proposal was accepted by Britain
(United Kingdom), Hitler will more allied with the Anglophiles
rather than the "colored" people of Japan and China
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate on Hitler's plans to ditch Japan/China as soon
as he had an alliance with Britain.[/quote]
What I mean is, had Britain accept Hitler's peace proposal, he
will more concern to ally with her rather than the far nations
which are even their people are racially more different than
people on Hitler's regime, Hitler will not consider the Chinese
and Japanese important partner if he allied with Britain, that
is what I mean
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Explaining Hitler's saying on considering Russian
people as also part of Asian people are enough
--- End Quote ---
He is referring to the geographic origin of the steppe peoples
without stating whether he deems them "white" or not.[/quote]
Hitler explicitly consider Russian people are "Asiatic", even
tough Russian people racially more similar to German people whom
he led, even Aleksandr Dugin agree with this fact, he consider
Russian people are not pure "White European"
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Anglophile nations's military domination across the
world and their placement of military base across non-Western
European nations
--- End Quote ---
This strongly depends on whether the countries in which these
bases are built are themselves allowed to station troops in the
countries which built these bases and whether these bases are
directed against non-"white" countries (such as China) or
"white" countries (such as Israel and Russia).
At the moment, neither of the two is the case as far as I am
aware, so your criticism is entirely valid (and I never meant to
defend the status quo in this regard). However, there is a
realistic perspective that this may change with the shifting
demographics in many Anglosphere- and EU/NATO-countries, which
is why WNs already now prefer Russia.[/quote]
United States and their fellow Anglophile allies allowed to
station their troops on the nations who already subjugated by
them both politically, economicaly, and ideologially, now they
placed mostly their troops on nations surrounding China with
pretext of "defending freedom" and prevent the "Communist
totalitarian regime from spreading", actually they just want to
defend their capitalist hegemony surrounding heroic "Communist
China" under leadership of Comrade Xi Jin Ping
#Post#: 8896--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 19, 2021, 10:30 pm
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"If people attracted to "White European" people and intermarry
with them you considered as reproductive colonization, then what
example of intermarriage between "White European" people and
"Colored Non-White European" people which not resulting
reproductive colonization?"
Let's go back here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg2343/#msg2343
--- Quote ---
> Now, imagine a conquistador and his Indian woman have two sons
in the 1520s. These two mestizo brothers grow up and go out in
the world to seek their fortunes. One is smarter, and he strikes
it rich. The other wasn't so lucky in the genetic lottery, and
he becomes poor. The rich son has a wide variety of potential
wives to choose from. Like most men, and like almost all Mexican
men, he is more attracted to blonde women, and thus marries one.
(If you aren't familiar with the depths of Mexico's blonde
obsession, try watching Spanish-language TV shows. Almost all
the women on Mexican TV look like Finns.) His impoverished
brother, in contrast, cannot attract a blonde wife. So he
marries an Indian girl.
>
> Then, the brothers have children. On average, the smarter,
richer brother's kids, who are 3/4 white, are smarter than their
underprivileged 1/4 white cousins. They're smarter not because
they are whiter, but because their father had more smartness
genes than their uncle. This trend continues: in both families,
the smartest, most energetic, and most ruthless sons marry the
blondest wives, while the blondest daughters marry the husbands
with the most Right Stuff. Repeat for another dozen and a half
generations. By 2000, this pattern could lead to the most
European-looking people being the most naturally formidable,
even if they weren't when they arrived in 1519.
>
> Now, in Mexico every century or so, there is a massive
upheaval like the Revolution of 1910. The white monopoly is
fractured. Up through the cracks come the most talented mestizos
and Indians. They start dynasties that persist to this day … but
their grandsons and great-grandsons are notably whiter than they
were, since the men of the family have been exploiting their
social ascendancy to marry white women.
--- End Quote ---
What would not be reproductive colonization would be if the
higher-status sons are no more likely to have the blonde wife
than the lower-status sons in every generation.
Of course, I believe this is unlikely to happen so long as
status is associated with wealth, since people who succeed in
becoming rich under capitalism tend to have more aggressive
personalities and hence are more likely to have bad taste in
general and be Eurocentrists in particular:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7593/#msg7593
What we need is a top-down system of conferring the highest
status to people with the least aggressive personalities, whom I
am hoping will also have better aesthetical preferences. For
example, if the state put ethical vegans since childhood to the
front of the queue for choosing reproductive partners, perhaps
they might (I myself certainly would!) prioritize traits such as
skeletal gracility:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/msg6391/#msg6391
instead of blondeness. This would break the Eurocentric dynamic
described above and set up a new dynamic whereby Aryan traits
are gradually collected among new high-status people.
#Post#: 10584--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: January 16, 2022, 12:01 pm
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What does Aryanism have to say about Yukio Mishima?
#Post#: 10595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 16, 2022, 3:18 pm
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@christianbethel This blog post talks about him a little bit,
within the context of our movement:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/another-one-bites-the-dust/
I respect him in the sense that he was a potential bridge to
authentic fascism (as opposed to the kind of "fascism" promoted
by white nationalists), and he very clearly stood against some
of the core values of both rightism and progressivism
(elaborated on in the blog post I linked), but as with most
people, I'm sure he held some views that I and other people here
would disagree with.
#Post#: 10597--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: January 16, 2022, 3:48 pm
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--- Quote from: SirGalahad link ---
>
> @christianbethel This blog post talks about him a little bit,
within the context of our movement:
>
>
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/another-one-bites-the-dust/
>
> I respect him in the sense that he was a potential bridge to
authentic fascism (as opposed to the kind of "fascism" promoted
by white nationalists), and he very clearly stood against some
of the core values of both rightism and progressivism
(elaborated on in the blog post I linked), but as with most
people, I'm sure he held some views that I and other people here
would disagree with.
>
--- End Quote ---
Like what?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 16, 2022, 7:54 pm
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I haven't had the chance to read any of his books myself yet, so
I wouldn't know. Which is why I'm only making the assumption
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