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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 13, 2021, 5:34 pm
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Does the True Left Forum have a recommendation for the most
accurate English translation of Mein Kampf? I have the latest
translation by Thomas Dalton but it turns out he's a White
Nationalist. Should I just stick with the Ford translation?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest55
Date: September 13, 2021, 6:22 pm
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I use the Ford translation mostly....
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 13, 2021, 7:25 pm
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@christianbethel, another negro man who support people who hate
people like him, Austrian painter Adolf Hitler
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> Does the True Left Forum have a recommendation for the most
accurate English translation of Mein Kampf? I have the latest
translation by Thomas Dalton but it turns out he's a White
Nationalist. Should I just stick with the Ford translation?
--- End Quote ---
You should abandon National Socialism and it's useless Mein
Kampf book, it's only benefit Aryan people, or "White European"
people from Western Europe and the "White Anglo" people, not
negro man like you
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 13, 2021, 7:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Mazda link ---
>
> I use the Ford translation mostly....
>
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It's settled, then. I'll be using the Ford translation
henceforth.
#Post#: 8771--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 13, 2021, 9:11 pm
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@Dazhbog
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> [quote]Sukarno already made Dutch (Netherlands) facilities on
Papua belong to national possession
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This is not what I meant. What I meant is that the Dutch saw a
need for large-scale industrialization in Papua in the first
place, whereas Suharto did not.[/quote]
Tell that to Papuan people that they not worth to got better
industrial facilities like fellow Nusantara people across West
Nusantara which improved their live condition, if you get many
approval from them, then I will justify what Suharto did to
Papuan people
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> [quote]so Papuan people got facilities from Dutch which
already belong to Nusantara, that imply Papuan people
automatically followed Nusantara's policy, not Dutch
--- End Quote ---
As per the above, if the loyalty of the Papuans was dependent on
whether the industrialization of Papua would be continued, they
did in fact adopt the pro-industrialization attitude of the
Dutch.[/quote]
Sukarno also adopted the pro-industrialization policy to
Nusantara people, seeing his view that also support communism
beside supporting nationalism and religion, if Sukarno not
adopted pro-industrialization policy, then he will destroy the
Dutch (Netherlands) facilities and industry which already built
in Papuan people's territory rather than nationalize it
--- Quote ---
> [quote]And, it's Suharto who imposed Western standards more
deeply to Nusantara people, imposing capitalism way of life and
debt-based economic system through turning national bank system
into central bank system which it's a Western European's
oppressive economic system
--- End Quote ---
Communism is also a Western oppressive economic system. Even if
we would indeed have to consider Suharto westernized as far as
his economic policy is concerned, his enemies were no
better.[/quote]
From what you said recently on your words above which I quoted,
you already know that capitalist is also oppressive Western
economic system, but you still support the nations who always
forcing capitalist policy to the nation who not yet adopt
capitalist, different from how Soviet Russia introduce communism
to the nations which they try to help, even tough they not fully
adopt communism, as long as they not harming Soviet Russia, then
such ideological differences is not a problem to them (Soviet
Russia), Soviet Russia assist Arab people to against Israel and
they have no problem seeing Arab people still use Islamic
nationalism as their ideology, as well as how Soviet Russia keep
assisted my nation even tough we not fully using communism as
our main ideological worldview, they never harm us until now
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> [quote]if you still not agree with that
--- End Quote ---
I do not.[/quote]
Then it's back to you whether you want accept another facts of
information which is more valid and strong or not
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> [quote]Purging a group of people because they did something
bad, not because their background of their race is not racist
even tough the people who are categorized on the group type
which got purged is not also did bad things, I consider it as
preventive action
--- End Quote ---
Rightists also tell me that categorically banning all
non-"white" individuals from certain businesses, neighborhoods,
countries etc. is a preventive measure due to their supposedly
higher crime rates. I don't take them seriously either.[/quote]
And the difference between Right wing people and how Stalin
treated people is, right wing people inspired by racialism, and
also Hitler's racialist ideology, don't forget about that,
Stalin treated people based on how far their loyalty to the
state, if Stalin treated people based on their race, then Stalin
did not made murderous action to people who have similar race
background to him, like Holodomor event to "White European
Ukrainian" people, and made a mass murder on large scale even to
his own "White Russian" people, see the "Great Purge" event and
"de-Kulakisation" event
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> And the populations of Togo, Cameroon, Tanzania, and Namibia
are majority people of "black" category
>
> As we discussed above, Hitler differentiated between China and
Japan, which both belong in the "Asian" (or related) category as
per the colonial classification system.
>
> As was discussed a few pages prior, Hitler differentiated
between different "black" populations within Germany.
>
> Why wouldn't he differentiate between the "black" populations
of the aforementioned countries and other "black" populations?
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> "As was discussed a few pages prior, Hitler differentiated
between different "black" populations within Germany."
--- End Quote ---
And, in his ideological book "Mein Kampf" and his regime's
Waffen SS soldier's manual book which I provide in previous
conversation post, Hitler clearly speak mostly humiliated and
discriminated "black" people without differentiate them, another
good strategy to win the debate from you, ignoring my factual
arguments and repeating the same arguments which already been
debunked with another facts of arguments
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> Why wouldn't he differentiate between the "black" populations
of the aforementioned countries and other "black" populations?
--- End Quote ---
Because he hated "black" people for their "backward" attitude
and their productivity of work which not match to Aryan people,
or "White European" people from Western Europe whom he loved
whom he considered as inferior subhuman apes
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> No authentic National Socialist would ever deem an ape their
inferior.
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And on actual history, Nazi people always used "ape" as a symbol
of inferiority, and try to tell that to Stormfront and White
Nationalist movements that you are representing "authentic
National Socialist" ideology, if some of them agree with you,
then my thoughts on National Socialism was false, and remember
that I keep open mind to any new facts of information, as long
as my facts got debunked and I cannot found another facts of
information which can refute your facts anymore , then I can
agree with you all
#Post#: 8777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 14, 2021, 10:31 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Tell that to Papuan people that they not worth to got better
industrial facilities
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They didn't need them in millennia, so why would they need them
now?
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> Sukarno also adopted the pro-industrialization policy
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If he really did, he was a worse anti-colonialist leader than
Suharto in this regard.
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> seeing his view that also support communism
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Thank you for admitting that communism is pro-industrialization
and thus also pro-Western civilization.
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> if Sukarno not adopted pro-industrialization policy, then he
will destroy the Dutch (Netherlands) facilities and industry
which already built in Papuan people's territory rather than
nationalize it
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It isn't pro-industrialization to nationalize facilities already
built so that they no longer benefit the previous owner. It is
pro-industrialization to build new facilities that didn't exist
before.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> even tough they not fully adopt communism, as long as they not
harming Soviet Russia, then such ideological differences is not
a problem to them (Soviet Russia)
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Thank you for confirming that Russia's foreign policy was never
based on shared ideals, but simply on opportunism.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Stalin treated people based on how far their loyalty to the
state
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No, he didn't. He placed people in categories they didn't choose
and then treated them according to whether he himself thought
their category was loyal to the state, regardless whether
persons arbitrarily assigned to the category in question were
loyal on an individual level.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> if Stalin treated people based on their race, then Stalin did
not made murderous action to people who have similar race
background to him, like Holodomor event to "White European
Ukrainian" people, and made a mass murder on large scale even to
his own "White Russian" people, see the "Great Purge" event and
"de-Kulakisation" event
--- End Quote ---
What matters is that Stalin treated people based on categories
they themselves didn't choose.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And, in his ideological book "Mein Kampf" and his regime's
Waffen SS soldier's manual book which I provide in previous
conversation post, Hitler clearly speak mostly humiliated and
discriminated "black" people without differentiate them
--- End Quote ---
These quotes also mention "Mongols" without differentiating
between particular countries or populations and Hitler still
treated China and Japan differently.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> And on actual history, Nazi people always used "ape" as a
symbol of inferiority
--- End Quote ---
Where?
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> if you get many approval from them
>
> ...
>
> if some of them agree with you
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Spoken like a true believer in democracy.
#Post#: 8779--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest62
Date: September 14, 2021, 11:18 am
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--- Quote ---
> remember that I keep open mind to any new facts of
information, as long as my facts got debunked and I cannot found
another facts of information which can refute your facts anymore
, then I can agree with you all
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For this to happen, you would have to share the same ideals as
us, which you've proven again and again you do not. To put it
simply, our ideals are noble: empathy, unity, simplicity. Your
ideals are ignoble: tribalism, opportunism, progression. The
nazis on stormfront have far more in common with you than us.
#Post#: 8781--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 14, 2021, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: Mazda link ---
>
> I use the Ford translation mostly....
>
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I also understand you're German. What German version of Hitler's
Table Talk do you recommend?
#Post#: 8784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 14, 2021, 5:28 pm
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@arthuriana
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> which you've proven again and again you do not.
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As long as I still can debunk the arguments from you all, I not
agree that your ideals are worth to be followed
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> tribalism, opportunism
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Of course, you will consider me are opportunism and tribalism if
I exposing Nazi racism and reality of Russia and NATO nations's
geopolitics, which you proven to be overwhelmed to refute my
facts of information, even ignore my sayings, complaining,
criticizing without giving an factual arguments just embarassing
your own "Aryanist" movement and showing that your view of
politics are can be refuted and from that, you all have wrong
political way
#Post#: 8788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: Cthens
Date: September 14, 2021, 7:38 pm
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
>
> @arthuriana
>
> [quote]which you've proven again and again you do not.
--- End Quote ---
As long as I still can debunk the arguments from you all, I not
agree that your ideals are worth to be followed
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> tribalism, opportunism
--- End Quote ---
Of course, you will consider me are opportunism and tribalism if
I exposing Nazi racism and reality of Russia and NATO nations's
geopolitics, which you proven to be overwhelmed to refute my
facts of information, even ignore my sayings, complaining,
criticizing without giving an factual arguments just embarassing
your own "Aryanist" movement and showing that your view of
politics are can be refuted and from that, you all have wrong
political way
[/quote]
You've been thoroughly debunked and rebuked, repeatedly. At this
point you are just solidifying your inferiority.
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