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Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 16, 2020, 10:31 am
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This will be my thread where I ask questions concerning
Aryanism. I pray that I receive sufficient answers.
For starters: I was rereading the third part of the 'Aryan
Diffusion' article and couldn't help but notice the Vedic
'Indian' peoples are held in quite a negative light. What does
Aryanism have to say about Hinduism? Savitri Devi was a Hindu,
and the principle of Ahimsa originated with Hinduism. Are there
separate religions that you specify?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 17, 2020, 12:18 am
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"the Vedic 'Indian' peoples are held in quite a negative light"
They do not deserve to be called "Indian" (which refers to the
Indus Valley); the Vedics were Turanians:
HTML http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/brahmins.jpg
HTML https://s01.sgp1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/article/127145-nspveuwprq-1568114085.jpeg
And yes, they are the main villains of Part 3.
"What does Aryanism have to say about Hinduism?"
The good parts of it came from Jainism. The bad parts of it came
from Vedic Brahmanism:
HTML http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/beef.jpg
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Arama%E1%B9%87a
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> Modern Hinduism can be regarded as a combination of Vedic and
śramaṇa traditions as it is substantially influenced
by both traditions. Among the Astika schools of Hinduism,
Vedanta, Samkhya, and Yoga philosophies influenced and were
influenced by the śramaṇa philosophy.
--- End Quote ---
I recommend re-purifying Hinduism by throwing out the Vedic
influences. Anyone who wishes to start a blog doing so should
post the link below. (Would you like to try?)
"Savitri Devi was a Hindu"
Yes, and she criticized the aspects of it she disliked. Quotes
of her doing so were included in Part 3.
"the principle of Ahimsa originated with Hinduism"
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa_in_Jainism
Since Jainism predates Hinduism:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism#History
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> Scholars have conjectured that images such as those of the
bull in Indus Valley Civilization seal are related to
Jainism.[309] It is one of the Śramaṇa traditions of
ancient India, those that rejected the Vedas,[310][311] and
according to the philosopher Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, it
existed before them.[312][313]
--- End Quote ---
Jainism should be considered the originator of Ahimsa.
"Are there separate religions that you specify?"
Yes:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80stika_and_n%C4%81stika#Classification_of_schools
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> Āstika
> A list of six systems or ṣaḍdarśanas (also
spelled Sad Darshan) consider Vedas as a reliable source of
knowledge and an authoritative source.[18] These are the Nyaya,
Vaisheshika, Samkhya, Yoga, Mīmāṃsā and
Vedanta schools of Hinduism, and they are classified as the
āstika schools:
> ...
> Nāstika
> The main schools of Indian philosophy that reject the Vedas
were regarded as heterodox in the tradition:[3]
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: rp
Date: September 17, 2020, 1:57 am
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"Since Jainism predates Hinduism"
Jainism can be called the original "Hinduism", as the word
"Hindu" itself originates from the English who used it to refer
to the religious practices of the Indus Valley area, and since
the English only arrived during the renaissaince, whereas the
existence of the Indus Valley predates their arrival by several
millenia, the English definition only referred to the
contemporary practices at that time. However, etymologically,
"Hindu", similar to "Indian", strictly refers to the religious
practices of the Indus Valley Civilization, which is Jainism. I
recommend this approach to recruit Aryan Hindus who do not
formally identify as Jain but nevertheless are closer to the
Indus Valley Civilization.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 17, 2020, 5:35 pm
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From the site (Aryan Diffusion Part 3):
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> In contrast, Zoroaster promised that the Ahura would
ultimately triumph over the Daeva, leading to the end of time.
(In English, shards of both opposing worldviews obliviously
co-exist in the positive connotation of “divine” (Vedic sense)
and negative connotation of “devil” (Zoroaster’s sense), even
though etymologically – and indeed theologically – the terms are
cognate.)
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.etymonline.com/word/divine#etymonline_v_11548
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> divine (adj.)
>
> late 14c., "pertaining to, of the nature of, or proceeding
from God or a god; addressed to God," from Old French divin,
devin (12c.), from Latin divinus "of a god," from divus "of or
belonging to a god, inspired, prophetic," related to deus "god,
deity" (from PIE root *dyeu- "to shine," in derivatives "sky,
heaven, god").
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=devil
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> devil (n.)
>
> Old English deofol "a devil, a subordinate evil spirit
afflicting humans;" also, in Christian theology, "the Devil, a
powerful spirit of evil otherwise known as Satan," from Late
Latin diabolus (also the source of Italian diavolo, French
diable, Spanish diablo; German Teufel is Old High German tiufal,
from Latin via Gothic diabaulus).
> The Late Latin word is from Ecclesiastical Greek diabolos,
which in Jewish and Christian use was "the Devil, Satan," and
which in general use meant "accuser, slanderer" (thus it was a
scriptural loan-translation of Hebrew satan; see Satan). It is
an agent noun from Greek diaballein "to slander, attack,"
literally "to throw across," from dia "across, through" (see
dia-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw,
reach").
--- End Quote ---
"Divine" and "Devil" are not etymological cognates.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 17, 2020, 11:42 pm
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That is a matter of opinion. It could be argued that dyeu itself
comes from dia, as for something to shine, the light must travel
across/through space from the source to the eye.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 18, 2020, 3:21 pm
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--- Quote ---
> That is a matter of opinion. It could be argued that dyeu
itself comes from dia, as for something to shine, the light must
travel across/through space from the source to the eye.
>
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OK, that's a bit of a stretch, but noted.
--- Quote ---
> “The Brahmins who called themselves ârya in India, were no
more aware of the real origin of this name and its connection
with agricultural labour, than the artist who now speaks of his
art as a divine inspiration suspects that the word which he uses
was originally applicable only to so primitive an art as that of
ploughing.” – Max Mueller
--- End Quote ---
Where can I find this quote?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 18, 2020, 11:10 pm
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Use a search engine?
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 19, 2020, 3:54 pm
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I already have- nothing came up. Now I'm asking you.
#Post#: 1221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 19, 2020, 11:18 pm
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I found it in <1 minute:
HTML http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/787
I despise laziness.
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Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 20, 2020, 12:21 pm
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Damn. The one place where I didn't think to look.
I was browsing the site recently and I noticed there are no
quotes from Reinhard Heydrich. Didn't Hitler view him as the
ideal National Socialist?
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