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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: July 29, 2023, 3:39 am
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Westerners thinking :
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> ...the government, according to Rousseau, is only tasked with
carrying out the will of the people; government is a tool at the
service, used by the general will. Because it is appointed by
the people, the government can be dissolved by it at any time."
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Source :
Social Contract
Hitler's thinking
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> A person who feels it is his duty at such times to assume the
leadership of the people is not responsible to the laws of
parliamentary use or to any particular conception of democracy,
but solely to the mission assigned to him. And anyone who
interferes with this mission is an enemy of the people. - Adolf
Hitler
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Source :
Adolf Hitler & His Speeches (1939-1945) by Umair Mirza page
37-38
HTML https://archive.org/details/adolf-hitler_202006/page/34/mode/2up
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 9, 2023, 5:50 pm
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Again a good idea does not gets implemented because bad people
don't like it:
HTML https://rmx.news/migration/uk-university-withdraws-plans-to-house-300-migrants-in-small-english-town-after-mass-protests-from-local-residents/
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> A British university has been forced to withdraw plans to
commercially rent out its student accommodation in a small town
to asylum seekers after over 1,400 objections to the planning
application were submitted by local residents.
>
> The University of Derby had applied to rent out the 274-room
High Peak Halls building in the spa town of Buxton to a third
party, with the expectation the rooms would then be occupied by
migrants new to Britain.
>
> However, mass demonstrations from local residents opposed to
the plans saw the application withdrawn just two hours before
the local council was due to vote on the matter.
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 16, 2023, 4:38 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/fury-silent-majority-driving-global-185139401.html
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> Across the West, the vast majority of voters are fed up with
the status quo, furious at the political class and desperate for
alternatives. They believe society to be broken, that the
post-industrial economy and globalisation generally aren’t
working for them
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They aren't meant to be working for you! They are meant to (very
mildly) mitigate the damage done by your First World lifestyle!
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> Almost wherever one looks, from New Zealand to the
Netherlands, hundreds of millions no longer feel in control,
valued or even consulted by the self-satisfied ruling class.
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You aren't meant to be in control, valued or consulted! If you
don't like your ruling class, emigrate to somewhere else with a
ruling class you prefer!
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> economic growth has been feeble for years
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The economy isn't meant to grow! Thinking that it is is the
problem!
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> women are having far fewer children than they tell pollsters
they would like
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It isn't about how many you would like! It's about how severely
overpopulated we already are!
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> In Europe, including Britain, there is a popular consensus
that there has been and remains too much immigration.
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You can emigrate if you don't like it!
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> while Western publics are very concerned about climate change,
they aren’t prepared to see their living standards decimated to
deal with it.
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And that is why we do not need to take their opinion (on any
subject) seriously!
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> the global Right-wing revolution is gaining ground regardless.
In Italy, Giorgia Meloni is prime minister. In the Netherlands,
the anti-net zero farmers’ party has surged. Across the
Continent, including in Scandinavia, mainstream parties are
adopting once unthinkable policies on immigration. In Spain,
Isabel Díaz Ayuso, a rising star, is advocating Thatcherite
populism. In New Zealand, the centre-Right is ahead in the polls
and the libertarian ACT party has rocketed. In Argentina, one
leading presidential contender is an anarcho-capitalist. In
Paraguay, the Right-winger Santiago Peña has won the presidency.
Benjamin Netanyahu regained power last December.
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If this is not enough indication as to who is the real problem,
nothing will ever be.
Woke comments:
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> Is the Silent Majority, racists, bigots, and sexists?
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> The "silent majority" was the phrase Nixon coined for the
people who were in favor of the Vietnam war.
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> We used to rightly call this the lunatic fringe. They got
past fringe and are now just the lunatics.
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> Climate change will spur more and more migration, as people
leave inhospitable places. Things will get much, much worse, not
better. The last thing we need is right-wing "policies."
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> As for living with people you don't want to live with...I have
no idea what you mean. Move?
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Re: State subverters
DIR By: guest98
Date: September 7, 2023, 5:21 pm
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HTML https://www.salon.com/2023/09/07/not-just-trump-the-trial-of-texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-shows-maga-wants-crooks-as-leaders/
It's OK for love to be "white"
Not just Trump: The trial of Texas attorney general Ken Paxton
shows MAGA loves crooks as leaders
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>
>
> When feeling defensive about their love for Donald Trump, it's
become common for MAGA Americans to pretend it's about "his
policies," not his personality. This is, of course, a lie, and
not just because none of them can produce an example of a Trump
"policy" they like. Everything that decent people find repulsive
about Trump — his criminality, his racism, his genital-grabbing
misogyny — is what draws the MAGA base to him, like flies to
garbage. We know this because his poll numbers with GOP voters
rise with his number of felony indictments. We know this also
because his primary opponents share his "policies," yet none of
them can compete with Trump's villainous air.
>
> Now there's even more evidence that what really gets the MAGA
juices going is a politician who is extravagantly evil: The
impeachment and trial of Texas's attorney general, Ken Paxton, a
man so audaciously malignant that he might make Trump jealous.
>
> Paxton's unbridled corruption has been long understood by
Texas Republicans, who have, until recently, not had a problem
with it.
>
> Donald Trump Jr. went full gaslighting mode, by claiming the
floridly corrupt Paxton "will survive and will continue to
combat the Swamp in Texas."
>
> No, there is not a sinister plot. The evidence is overwhelming
that Paxton took massive bribes, including assistance in
adultery, to help a friend in criminal trouble and then
retaliated against employees who spoke out about it. The man
oozes corruption from every pore. He's so bad that the Texas GOP
felt he had crossed a line.
>
> It's unlikely that Paxton's supporters are unaware that the
man is pure scum. As with Trump, they love Paxton because, not
despite, his massive corruption. When people like Paxton or
Trump break the law with impunity, it reinforces a core MAGA
belief
>
> In MAGA's view, conservative white men should get to break
whatever law they want, if only to prove they can get away with
behavior that would ruin anyone else. What is privilege, if you
can't flout it?
>
>
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These satanic disturbers of peace must be sealed in the abyss.
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 11, 2023, 5:52 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT1bVUp6LU8
More:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgP7-adAQ-I
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 20, 2023, 12:32 pm
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Our enemies are mortified by state encouragement towards mild
frugality:
HTML https://gatesofvienna.net/2023/09/a-room-of-your-own-but-just-one/
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> Berlin is planning to solve the housing crisis (which has been
exacerbated by a huge influx of “refugees”) by mandating that
single renters occupy only one room.
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Good idea! But this is how our enemies describe it:
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> Absurd Reaction to the Housing Shortage
>
> Maximum one room per person: Berlin wants to cram in tenants
> ...
> Instead of new buildings, citizens are being penned in
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: rp
Date: September 22, 2023, 8:34 am
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The following tweet (although from an enemy account) describes
the plebian hubris attitude of "Whites" pretty well ("gora"
means foreigner, but has now evolved to meaning "White".
"gorajeet" is a spin on the "pajeet" slur)
HTML https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1700091603317064100
(video
at link):
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>
> Rawal Rudrabhoj Bhati
> @rudrabhoj
> I do not want to fight gorajeets anymore, but listen I’ll give
you all a script. Look at this video, the condition of white
people in England at the height of the empire. The glories that
the white nationalists claim isn’t theirs. A small minority of
aristocrats and merchants who are really middle eastern farmer
dna rich (Anatolian farmer) attained all these glories. A
microscopic minority.
>
> And unlike us, the Indian ruling class, which universally has
a paternal affection for their subjects, European aristocrats
treated these white trash, mostly whg enriched, as cannon
fodder. Their condition was extremely miserable. This is why
socialism followed by Marxism was born there. This is why all
the popular movements there from Paris commune to Russian
revolution and really are even fascism and nazism were anti
elite, anti aristocratic and pro socialist.
>
> American revolution tried to incorporate the ideals of
European aristocratic high culture and impart it to masses. It
give America a real head-start. But since the reforms of
Roosevelt and New Deal even that was scrapped. Entire modern
European history is all about the conflict between its
aristocratic minority which really achieved greatness and white
trash majority.
>
> Neo Nazis and white trash have more in common with the
executioners of the Russian royal family, both genetically and
culturally, than they have with the likes of Kaisers, Tsars,
Kings, Princes and Dukes- the people who really attained
greatness and whose legacy white nationalists steal.
>
> Only white trash non aristocrat to have ever attained anything
of worth was Adolf Hitler. But we can really see where it landed
white people and Germanic nations to- to genocide, humiliation
and mass r*pes.
>
> So whenever these gorajeet bandars try to put you down coz
muhhh British raj, remind them that they are way bigger victims
of European imperialism than you would ever be. The gorajeet
attacking you, his great grandfather was a construction labourer
and generations of his female ancestors were humiliated by
European ruling class by jus prima noctics. They have no
achievement over you other than living in a country created by a
really successful aristocracy while you are born in one ruled by
fat kallu Indian babus.
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First of all, "aristocrat" and "aristocracy" should be put in
quotes, but I don't expect more from a Turanist such as
yourself. Secondly, the Western "aristocracies" were probably
more Steppe enriched than farmer-enriched, so it is strange that
a Turanist such as yourself would try to claim the latter. Other
than that, I agree that the average "White" thinks he is
superior to "non-Whites" (even royalty) even if he himself is a
low-born serf.
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 22, 2023, 2:53 pm
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"describes the plebian hubris attitude of "Whites" pretty well"
I disagree. Plebian hubris does not refer to low class "whites"
claiming the achievements of high class "whites" as their own.
It refers to the psychological attitudes that make statism
uniquely unpalatable to "whites" irrespective of class. We
witnessed this recently during the pandemic, with high class
"whites" just as likely to flout masking and social distancing
rules as low class "whites", remember?
Plebian hubris is what accounts for why Western systems of
government are uniquely different from non-Western systems of
government, the former based on fundamental distrust towards
those in positions of power:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-hydraulic-empire/msg20655/#msg20655
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> A hydraulic empire, also known as a hydraulic despotism,
hydraulic society, hydraulic civilization, or water monopoly
empire, is a social or government structure which maintains
power and control through exclusive control over access to
water. It arises through the need for flood control and
irrigation, which requires central coordination and a
specialized bureaucracy.[1]
> ...
> A developed hydraulic civilization maintains control over its
population by means of controlling the supply of water. The term
was coined by the German-American historian Karl August
Wittfogel (1896–1988), in his book Oriental Despotism: A
Comparative Study of Total Power (1957). Wittfogel asserted that
such "hydraulic civilizations"—although they were neither all
located in the Orient nor characteristic of all Oriental
societies—were essentially different from those of the Western
world. According to Wittfogel, most of the first civilizations
in history, such as Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, India,
and Pre-Columbian Mexico and Peru, are believed to have been
hydraulic empires.[2] Most hydraulic empires existed in arid or
desert regions, but imperial China also had some such
characteristics, due to the exacting needs of rice cultivation.
>
> The Maurya Empire in India was classified by Wittfogel as a
grandiose Hydraulic Economy.[3] Kautilya while referring to the
udakabhaga (water-cess, cess being a term used in India,
Scotland and Ireland for an additional tax) lists various kinds
of irrigation, viz., irrigated by manual labour, by carrying
water on the shoulder, by water lifts, and by raising water from
lakes, rivers etc. Some scholars believe, there is a clear
reference to canals for irrigation in the Arthashastra, in a
sutra which points out that water was set in motion by digging
(khatapravrittim) from a river-dam (nandinibhandayatana) or a
tank.[4]
>
> Apart from Ancient Egypt and the Kingdom of Kush, the Ajuran
Sultanate of the Horn of Africa was the only other hydraulic
empire in Africa. Beginning in the 13th century, the Ajuran
monopolized the water resources of the Jubba and Shebelle
rivers. Through hydraulic engineering, they also constructed
many of the state's limestone wells and cisterns that are still
in use today. Its rulers developed new systems for agriculture
and taxation, which continued to be used in parts of the Horn of
Africa as late as the 19th century.[5]
> ...
> The typical hydraulic empire government, in Wittfogel's
thesis, is extremely centralized, with no trace of an
independent aristocracy – in contrast to the decentralized
feudalism of medieval Europe.
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: rp
Date: September 22, 2023, 8:03 pm
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But you also mentioned (on the main site) that plebian hubris
was the belief in the superiority of low-grade "White"
individuals over "non-Whites" individuals, ignoring qualitative
differences. This was the definition I had in mind when creating
this thread (see first post). Is this belief and aversion toward
statism related?
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Re: Plebian Hubris
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 22, 2023, 9:41 pm
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"But you also mentioned (on the main site)"
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> the shift to full-scale representative democracy (e.g. French
Revolution) was operationally indeed a Freemasonic plot to serve
the Zionist agenda, but developmentally just a further stretch
of a unique tendency that already existed in the Western psyche,
and which finds independent expression in jury trials,
peer-review journalism, compulsory schooling and other
institutions characteristic of Western-style modernity. The
essence of this tendency is best described as Western plebian
hubris: a refusal to recognize the existence of a few
enlightened individuals incomparably superior to everyone else
in the same society and who therefore deserve absolute authority
as rulers, judges and other arbitrators. Alfred Rosenberg
laments: “It is a significant world historical fact that however
religious the European of earlier times was, however much a
religious longing is again occurring (admittedly still concealed
for many, but nevertheless in many places deep), however many
mystics and devout men the west produced—absolute religious
genius or completely autocratic embodiments of the divine in one
man, is something that Europe still does not possess.”
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The definition is in bold.
"the belief in the superiority of low-grade "White" individuals
over "non-Whites" individuals. ignoring qualitative differences.
This was the definition I had in mind"
You had in mind a corollary:
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> This plebian hubris was by no means egalitarianism; on the
contrary, it merely replaced the qualitative belief in the
superiority of high-grade individuals worldwide over low-grade
masses worldwide with an ethnocentric belief in the superiority
of “white” over “non-white” regardless of grade, implying, for
example, precedence of ”white” commoners over even “non-white”
royalty, which provided the psychological priming for the
uniquely Western phenomenon of colonialism.
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You are welcome to post examples of this in topics such as:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/western-neo-colonial-mentality/
"Is this belief and aversion toward statism related?"
Yes, as explained in the quoted text, in particular the
Rosenberg subquote.
Also from the same page:
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> Even prior to formal attempts at governments voted into power
by an electorate, Western mentality differed from that of the
rest of the world in its lack of belief that kings were living
gods (Alexander was deified by Persians and Egyptians but never
really by Greeks themselves), instead implicitly believing that
kings owed their position to their popularity among the
governed. (Judeo-Christianity supplements this with the notion
of constitutionalism: that laws are not codification of a
monarch’s will, but rather that the monarch too(!) is
subordinate to laws which come from Yahweh (e.g. the Ten
Commandments (an early example of a constitution). This meshed
harmoniously with Aristotelian notions of “natural rights”, with
a constitution supposed to be a definition of these “rights”.)
Thus Western civilization has always been averse to true
autocracy and especially to absolute monarchism, instead
consistently exhibiting a marked tendency not only towards
plebiscite but also towards separation of powers. It is
misleading to claim that Solonian Athens was democratic while
Lycurgan Sparta was non-democratic; Spartan ‘kings’ in practice
had to share power not only with ephors, gerousia and apella,
but even with each other, for not one but two(!) ‘kings’ (hence
the quotation marks) were in place at any one time – all these
are anti-autocratic and anti-monarchist measures which any
self-respecting (ie. non-Western) monarch would find personally
insulting to be subjected to, of which Hitler had personal
experience: “This annual meeting had something of farce about
it. I would offer my resignation. Two accountants, in the space
of two hours, would succeed in checking a balance for a total
movement of funds of six hundred and fifty millions. The
President of the Assembly, elected ad hoc, would conduct the
debates and proceed to the election of the new Committee. Voting
was by a show of hands. “Who is for, who is against?” he would
ask. His silly questions would arouse storms of mirth. I would
then present myself to the Registry of the Court to have our
documents registered. The anti-democratic parties, just like the
democratic parties, had to go through these grotesque
ceremonies.” The Magna Carta signed by John Plantagenet reflects
the same Western inclination towards limiting the power of
‘kings’ (a.k.a. constitutional ‘monarchism’), a notion utterly
incomprehensible to any authentically non-Western mind. This is
to say nothing of the power-juggling between papal authority and
royal authority throughout the Catholic period. This is yet
another reason why National Socialism, whose attitude towards
autocracy is much nearer that of non-Western antiquity, cannot
be considered part of Western civilization.
>
> “The pharaohs of Egypt, the emperors of China and Japan, the
Incas and the Fuehrer embodied Gods, were possessed by a God,
becoming the projection of God, here on earth.” – Miguel Serrano
>
> It is worth noting that the Roman Empire could be considered
divergent from Western civilization despite heavy early Western
influence (Roman Republic era), as it alone among all states in
European history prior to the Third Reich more closely resembled
the non-Western world in its Imperial Cult encouraging its
citizens to view its emperors as living gods, as Hitler notes:
“”Caesar” personified the supreme authority. The Japanese also
have their own expression to indicate the highest authority:
they say “Tenno”, which means “Son of Heaven”.” Furthermore, it
is as Rome became more autocratic that it placed greater
emphasis on voluntary citizenship – awarded upon completion of
service in the Roman Army - and less on ethnic background
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Which conveniently brings us back to:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-ancient-rolemodels-of-our-enemies/msg22128/#msg22128
Another example of plebian hubris is found here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-ancient-rolemodels-of-our-enemies/msg18493/#msg18493
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> People who study judo or Tae Kwon Do or karate wear “gis” and
talk about “masters” and “dojos.” It is all about some
mysterious system with ceremony and decorum. An obsession with
Asian-ness is standard for any American who becomes a “sensei.”
The students attribute deep wisdom to the “master,” who is
likely to believe that anyone who uses strength to win a fight
is a brute.
>
> The Western view is different. We proudly used war and
fighting to make our boys into men, but we never pretended that
a Kung-Fu-Panda-type master of some mysterious cult was the
wisest man in the world.
--- End Quote ---
This is precisely what Rosenberg was lamenting about above.
And don't forget:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg21041/#msg21041
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