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       Musjawarah versus Fuehrerprinzip System of Governance
       By: antihellenistic Date: October 24, 2022, 9:27 pm
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       Musjawarah means the individual leader need to hear his
       inner-circles what the ethical quality policies which should
       have implemented. And the deficiency of individual leader can be
       furnished with the another of his co-workers who have qualities
       which the leader's not have. So, the leader's policies can be
       increased it's quality with discussion with his inner circle's
       co-workers
       Fuehrerprinzip means total obedience to the individual leader
       even though he has deficiency of himself. So his policies cannot
       be corrected by anyone even though there's something wrong on
       it. What about that?
       #Post#: 16177--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Musjawarah versus Fuehrerprinzip System of Governance
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 24, 2022, 10:35 pm
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       Under Musjawarah, after the leader has listened to what his
       co-workers think, who makes the final decision about policy? If
       the leader does so, then Musjawarah is also Fuehrerprinzip.
       #Post#: 16179--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Musjawarah versus Fuehrerprinzip System of Governance
       By: antihellenistic Date: October 24, 2022, 11:21 pm
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       [quote]Under Musjawarah, after the leader has listened to what
       his co-workers think, who makes the final decision about policy?
       If the leader does so, then Musjawarah is also
       Fuehrerprinzip.[/quote]
       During Old Order and New Order Era, Ir. Sukarno (Old Order's
       Leader) and Muhamad Suharto (New Order's Leader) who are made
       all the decisions. The decisions's output in musjawarah came
       from the unrefutted arguments, not how popular the arguments are
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