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#Post#: 16116--------------------------------------------------
Balkanization of America
By: guest63 Date: October 20, 2022, 1:48 am
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What should do the True Left just in case America does balkanize
into multiple countries? That seems more likely than ever, and
could easily give a home to White Nationalism.
Should we support Canada and/or Mexico annexing former American
territory?
#Post#: 16120--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balkanization of America
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 20, 2022, 2:35 am
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"What should do the True Left just in case America does
balkanize into multiple countries?"
Look to Lincoln as our precedent:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/abraham-lincoln/msg9922/#msg9922
Rightists must especially not be allowed to control any
territory containing strategically important resources. You must
figure out which territories these are and be prepared to
re-acquire them ASAP by any means necessary.
"Should we support Canada and/or Mexico annexing former American
territory?"
There is no guarantee that they will be on our side. (Recall how
willing they were to work with Trump during his term!) It will
depend on who is in charge at the time and what their motives
are. They could be annexing US territory to deny rightists
access to it, or they could be annexing US territory to deny
leftists access to it. Therefore no general answer can be given
ahead of time.
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: guest63 Date: October 20, 2022, 3:24 am
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"Look to Lincoln as our precedent:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/abraham-lincoln/msg9922/#msg9922
Rightists must especially not be allowed to control any
territory containing strategically important resources. You must
figure out which territories these are and be prepared to
re-acquire them ASAP by any means necessary."
The Pacific Northwest is divided with leftists in the Willamette
Valley and Puget Sound, and rightists in the rest of Oregon and
Washington.
I believe that the Pacific Northwest will face an uphill battle
(even more than the Midwest and the South), but by encouraging
the left to move there and settle in rural areas, we will
increase our chances of winning.
"There is no guarantee that they will be on our side. (Recall
how willing they were to work with Trump during his term!) It
will depend on who is in charge at the time and what their
motives are. They could be annexing US territory to deny
rightists access to it, or they could be annexing US territory
to deny leftists access to it. Therefore no general answer can
be given ahead of time."
On the plus side, Mexico could get all of it's territory
(including Texas) that was stolen by the US in the War of
Aggression Against Mexico.
But then again, Arizona, Utah, and Texas still have to undergo
more Demographic Blueshift in order to make sure Mexico faces
less resistance if and when the right Mexican leader does decide
to reclaim it's former territory in the event of the
Balkanization of America.
If Canada does have the right leadership at the time of a
hypothetical balkanization of the US, Oregon and Washington
should join it to help push Canada more left (and vice versa!).
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 20, 2022, 4:04 am
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"Mexico could get all of it's territory (including Texas) that
was stolen by the US in the War of Aggression Against Mexico."
Besides the fact that this would almost certainly screw up our
Demographic Blueshift plan, what about the nuclear arsenal which
Mexico would end up with?
HTML https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/us-nuclear-weapons-location-1.png
"Arizona, Utah, and Texas still have to undergo more Demographic
Blueshift in order to make sure Mexico faces less resistance if
and when the right Mexican leader does decide to reclaim it's
former territory in the event of the Balkanization of America."
I don't think you understand the point of Demographic Blueshift.
If Mexico moves the border northwards, it would be as if all
those (mostly Blue voters) who migrated across the current
border to live in the border states never migrated, since they
would then suddenly no longer be in the US!
HTML http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/mex-war/mex-war-map.jpg
The states we successfully turn Blue are the states we need to
keep in the US in order for Demographic Blueshift to work.
"If Canada does have the right leadership at the time of a
hypothetical balkanization of the US, Oregon and Washington
should join it to help push Canada more left (and vice versa!)."
And leave the US more rightist? You think this is a good trade?
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: rp Date: October 20, 2022, 7:04 am
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Balkanization is a Duginist strategy.
#Post#: 16135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balkanization of America
By: guest63 Date: October 21, 2022, 5:49 pm
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"Besides the fact that this would almost certainly screw up our
Demographic Blueshift plan, what about the nuclear arsenal which
Mexico would end up with?
I don't think you understand the point of Demographic Blueshift.
If Mexico moves the border northwards, it would be as if all
those (mostly Blue voters) who migrated across the current
border to live in the border states never migrated, since they
would then suddenly no longer be in the US!"
You're right. That's something I'll have to learn more about. I
am saying this as if the US were to cease to exist as country,
which is a very real possiblity!
"The states we successfully turn Blue are the states we need to
keep in the US in order for Demographic Blueshift to work."
Of course! What if the US ceases to exist (aka breaks up into
many countries) due to balkanization though, which is a very
real reality that we may likely have to face in the next 5-15
years?
Someone like Adam Kokesh (Jew) or Tulsi Gabbard (Gentile) could
easily allow this to happen, if they ever take power.
"And leave the US more rightist? You think this is a good
trade?"
Of course not! I should have said "if Canada has the correct
(not right as in the Right, but a True Left or close to True
Left) leadership".
I want to have a backup plan for Aryanists just in case the US
does break up into many countries, and if the chances of the US
reuniting quickly are [s]slim to none[/s], which unfortunately
most likely does seem like the case in the next 5-15 years, due
to the false left and the right trying to balkanize America
alike.
Look, I don't want the US to break up into multiple countries
either, but I also like having backup plans as well, since it
seems more and more likely! Just look at the Greater Idaho and
San Bernardino secession plans!
[img width=1280
height=720]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfduR_jaYAEoX0-?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Already those are very likely to happen! I know Kari Lake
(Gentile) has called for secession from the US as well, and so
is Texas!
If the US does collapse into many countries, I would also hope
Russia is weakened by then and collapses, with China, Finland,
Germany, Iran, Japan, etc reclaiming their lands.
"Balkanization is a Duginist strategy."
I'm well aware of that, and Dugin (Gentile) is obviously a
partner to Putin (Jew) and Trump (Jew). To prevent Duginism from
happening, I want to make sure that Karafuto goes back to Japan,
Outer Manchuria back to China, Konigsberg back to Germany, etc.
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 21, 2022, 6:22 pm
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"What if the US ceases to exist (aka breaks up into many
countries) due to balkanization though, which is a very real
reality that we may likely have to face in the next 5-15 years?"
Then we must wage ruthless war to re-unify it, as Lincoln did.
Above all we must get the nuclear arsenal out of our enemies'
control. This is answer I already gave here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/balkanization-of-america/msg16120/#msg16120
"Someone like Adam Kokesh (Jew) or Tulsi Gabbard (Gentile) could
easily allow this to happen, if they ever take power."
They should be assassinated.
"if the chances of the US reuniting quickly are slim to none"
We must do whatever it takes to increase the chances. Keep
assassinating leaders of the enemy-controlled territories until
no one dares to lead them. Starve the enemy populations by
blocking supplies. And so on. But never accept a balkanized US
as the new normal.
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 21, 2022, 7:17 pm
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Also, in the event of balkanization, it is likely that leftists
will retain control of many coastal territories. This will allow
you to keep importing climate refugees via ships, who could then
help take back the rightist-held territories. This is a
fundamental HR advantage that the left possesses over the right,
which you should capitalize on. The key is to have enough
weapons ready to supply the climate refugees with.
The rightists will try to offset our advantage by increasing
their birth rate. This is slower than our method, but if you let
them do it for a few decades, they could succeed, which is why
it is all the more crucial that you use our early HR advantage
to defeat them before then.
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Re: Balkanization of America
By: guest63 Date: October 22, 2022, 8:04 am
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"Then we must wage ruthless war to re-unify it, as Lincoln did.
Above all we must get the nuclear arsenal out of our enemies'
control. This is answer I already gave here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/balkanization-of-america/msg16120/#msg16120<br
/>"
I see now.
"They should be assassinated."
Agreed, without exception.
"We must do whatever it takes to increase the chances. Keep
assassinating leaders of the enemy-controlled territories until
no one dares to lead them. Starve the enemy populations by
blocking supplies. And so on. But never accept a balkanized US
as the new normal."
Absolutely!
But for the sake of argument, there are also may be the
formation of new nations/folkish states (NOT countries) such as
"New Afrika" and the "Republic of Lakotah".
What is your opinion on new nations/folkish states such as those
forming in the event of the US balkanizing? Groups like the NFAC
may form a country similar to "New Afrika" (hopefully not named
that way). I'm not too sure if Grandmaster Jay himself stated
that he wanted to form a new country.
#Post#: 16151--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balkanization of America
By: guest63 Date: October 22, 2022, 8:12 am
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[quote]Also, in the event of balkanization, it is likely that
leftists will retain control of many coastal territories. This
will allow you to keep importing climate refugees via ships, who
could then help take back the rightist-held territories. This is
a fundamental HR advantage that the left possesses over the
right, which you should capitalize on. The key is to have enough
weapons ready to supply the climate refugees with.[/quote]
That and also in the event of balkanization, criminalize
abortion in Leftist held territories and areas predominantly
inhabited by leftists. How would we start propagating
anti-abortion movements on the Left?
It's practical to side with the pro-abortion people right now,
and it is becoming more and more necessary to do so, but then
again.
[quote]The rightists will try to offset our advantage by
increasing their birth rate. This is slower than our method, but
if you let them do it for a few decades, they could succeed,
which is why it is all the more crucial that you use our early
HR advantage to defeat them before then.[/quote]
Another thing to consider in the event of the balkanization of
the US, the Leftists should mandate abortion on areas that are
predominantly Rightists and sterilize as much, if not all of the
Rightists as well ASAP.
Database to track Rightists anyone?
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