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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 10, 2022, 11:33 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/msg15569/#msg15569
a retort:
HTML https://www.opindia.com/2022/09/queen-elizabeths-ii-death-tucker-carlson-hails-england-for-civilising-india/
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> Western opinion shapers often have a mistaken sense of world
history since they tend to look at it from the coloniser’s
prism. They labour under the belief that the colonial and
imperialist rule greatly benefitted the colonised subjects by
offering them the fruits of the industrial revolution and
bringing them to “civilisation”. Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson
is one such individual who believes India’s civilisation is not
millennia old, but just over three centuries old and a gift that
Britain bequeathed India when it left in 1947.
> ...
> Carlson sang paeans to the former English monarch, Queen
Elizabeth II, who breathed her last on Thursday, at 96.
Lavishing praises on Elizabeth II, Carlson slammed her critics
highlighting how England left behind a “civilisation” in India
when they quit in 1947
> ...
> “When the U.S. government withdrew from Afghanistan after 20
years, we left behind airstrips, shipping containers and guns.
When the British pulled out of India, they left behind an entire
civilization, a language, a legal system, schools, churches and
public buildings, all of which are still in use today. Here’s
the train station the English built in Bombay, for example.
There’s nothing like that in Washington, DC right now, much less
in Kabul or Baghdad,” said Carlson, enthusing about the British
rule in India that authentic and unbiased historians say was
among the darkest periods endured by the country.
>
> He further continued, “Today, India is far more powerful than
the UK, the nation that once ruled it and yet, after 75 years of
independence, has that country produced a single building as
beautiful as the Bombay train station that the British
colonialists built? No, sadly, it has not. Not one.”
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This is the Homo Hubris monstrosity he is talking about:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatrapati_Shivaji_Terminus
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> The terminus was designed by a British born architectural
engineer Frederick William Stevens from an initial design by
Axel Haig, in an exuberant Italian Gothic style. Its
construction began in 1878, in a location south of the old Bori
Bunder railway station,[5] and was completed in 1887, the year
marking 50 years of Queen Victoria's rule.
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HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/VictoriaTerminus1910.jpg
It took me only a few seconds to find an example of infinitely
superior post-colonial Indian train station architecture:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Vihar_Terminal_railway_station
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> This station was officially inaugurated on 19 December 2009
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[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Anand_Vihar_Terminal_-_Main_Building.JPG/1024px-Anand_Vihar_Terminal_-_Main_Building.JPG[/img]
(Note the resemblance to Harappan architecture:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg5923/#msg5923<br
/>)
Back to main article:
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> While it is Carlson’s personal choice to slaver over buildings
made by the British before India’s independence, what needs to
be contested and opposed is his mistaken belief that the British
were on an altruist expedition in India, with “civilising” the
indigenous masses being their primary object of imperialist
ambitions.
> ...
> Racism, economic exploitation, and unabashed loot define the
“civilisation” that the British imparted to India
>
> Contrary to what Carlson would have his watchers believe,
Britishers in India were guided by the sole aim of squeezing the
country dry. In fact, they left India in 1947 not as an act of
benevolence as people like Carlson and other perennial
sycophants of the British continue to perpetuate, but because
remaining in India had become untenable for them, especially in
the wake of the losses borne in World War II and Britain’s
growing reluctance to grapple with Indian independence movement
that was beginning to assume dangerous proportions.
>
> As per conservative estimates, the Britishers looted over 45
trillion dollars during 190 years of their imperial rule in
India.
> ...
> If one considers the amount of wealth that was repatriated to
England during those gloomy years of slavery, the value comes
out to be close to 14 million pounds every year for 190 years,
besides the attendant British inequities & racial transgressions
endured by Indians for those woeful years. It is pretty rich of
Carlson and apologists of colonialism to clthat the democracy
was the positive outcome for the Indians, and that the British
rule imparted “civilisation” to what they considered as a nation
of unwashed and perpetually squabbling masses. Britishers
created deep fissures in the society, some of which exist even
today, in their bid to wrench as much wealth as possible from
Indians.
>
> Britishers ruled India & Indians, but most positions in the
government were reserved only for Britishers. When eminent
Indians like Dadabhai Naroji pointed out the treachery and
demanded greater autonomy, the British Raj conceded initially
but the decision to grant Indians a say in their self-government
was merely an eyewash meant to contain then simmering outrage
against their inequities and atrocious rule. After the outrage
died down, the British, through subterfuge, accumulated all the
decision-making power with themselves.
>
> The roles extended to Indians were at best frivolous and at
worse spineless. It is one thing, to empower the masses with
providing opportunities of ruling themselves and another thing,
to duplicitously stof them off their power by passing a
legislation superseding their roles & responsibilities by
bestowing their heads with supreme powers to annul any
legislation passed by the lower rung Indians.
>
> Apologists of the British empire like to claim that the
British brought the Railways in India. What they conveniently
hide is the fact that the railways was introduced in India for
the transportation of goods and personnel across the hinterland
and to aide the mercantilist goals of the East India Company. As
historians point out, the perception that Indians should be
grateful to the British for starting Railways is deeply flawed
as the English had their own selfish reasons to bring the
Railways in India. The purpose of the Railways was to serve the
British to extract raw materials, goods, and minerals from the
rural India that were hitherto inaccessible.
>
> In his book, Tharoor mentioned about how Indian passengers and
employees working for the Railways had to face racism from their
British counterparts. Indians, he wrote, were never offered the
posts of ticket collectors or station masters, which were
reserved only for the Europeans. While the Europeans travelled
in relative luxury, Indians were consigned to the horrendous
third class with wooden benches but were charged the highest
passenger rates anywhere in the world at that time. By contrast,
the British companies who were shipping freight on the railways,
paid the lowest freight rates anywhere in the world.
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We previously covered the railways here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg5693/#msg5693
Continuing:
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> The Britishers also stole the much-vaunted Kohinoor diamond
from India and spirited it away to England, where it was set in
the platinum Crown created for the British monarch. The story of
its thievery with laced with subterfuge, immorality, and
cruelty. The diamond was taken away from the treasury of the
Sikh Empire by Lord Dalhousie, the Governor General of India in
1849, when Duleep Singh, son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, was 11
years old. The British took the diamond by force and peddled a
false narrative that it was gifted by the king to the Queen.
>
> In addition to this, Great Britain is also responsible for
engineering the Bengal famine in 1943, when three million people
died due to starvation or malnutrition. The Bengal famine of
1943 was not a result of a severe drought but it was caused by a
complete failure of the policy of the then-British Prime
Minister Winston Churchill, who diverted essential food rations
to Greece and other European countries even when they did not
need it while people in Bengal continued to die of starvation.
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The same is also happening now:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/why-war-in-ukraine-is-causing-apocalyptic-famine/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ethnonepotism/
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 25, 2023, 8:23 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/sword-indian-ruler-slain-british-113550634.html
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> The bedchamber sword of Tipu Sultan, an 18th-century king
famous for the commanding role he played in wars in southern
India, has sold for £14 million ($17.4 million) at auction in
London.
>
> The sale price Tuesday was seven times the estimate, breaking
the record for an Indian and Islamic object sold at auction,
according to a statement from auction house Bonhams.
> ...
> Tipu ruled the kingdom of Mysore in southern India between
1782 and 1799, earning the title “Tiger of Mysore” for the
ferocity with which he defended his realm, according to the
auction house.
> ...
> Tipu was killed by British forces on May 4, 1799, when they
stormed his kingdom’s capital, Seringapatam (now Srirangapatna).
>
> After Tipu was killed, his sword, which was found in the
private quarters of his palace, was presented to British Major
General David Baird as a token of his courage, according to
Bonhams.
> ...
>
[img]
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> ...
>
[img]
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NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.
Woke comments:
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> Why did they ruin this sword with the trashy engraving?
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> Whenever British says it was gifted, it means either it was
robbed by force or stolen.
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> Not yours. Give it back to India.
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> As usual all the loot of India is in London. The thieves
market.
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> Looting is a war crime
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> British <=== Lecture others on morals when they are the
biggest frauds and thieves in History.
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> Once again the British profiting from their past crimes,
scattering the history of countries they had invaded and looted,
instead of going to “prison” or even apologizing.
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> The British have been robbers since day one.
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> Tipu Sultan not only defended and stand tall but supported
the Americans in war against British. A ship was named by
Americans to his Father name. He is the illuminating light for
freedom fighters against Tyranny, abuse by occupiers.
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> the sword was stolen and should be returned to his heirs.
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> This sword belongs to India and should not have been
auctioned.
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> British is cashing in the items they stole/looted from
colonies. My opinion, British should return ALL items back to
those colonies with restitution and APPOLOGIES.
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> UK must return all stolen assets to India. Brits are the worst
people on earth.
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> British Government then and still today is a thief who has
collected the goods from India, Africa, and many other counties.
Shameless creatures keep them in their museum, If I was the head
of India I would have bombed Britain.
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> How come the west did not sanction the brits for invading a
sovereign nation? ............... ah, UK is part of the west.
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> An insult to Indians. Decapited their ruler and than sell his
sword. Western debauchery knows no bounds.
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> And after this death, India was robbed $40 Trillions by
English
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> The British Occupied most of the world, and stole lots of
things from each country.
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> Thousands of value items stolen from China still remain in
British hands.
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> stealing and plundering under the banner of "bringing Western
Civilization".
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> This is how the British are (and still will be) thieves..
Despite all the fraud of democracy and Magna carter and all
that, the British and the EU & their progenitor states are all
thieves,
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> And yet, the world (especially Indians) celebrate the british
monarchs like they’re some sort of Gods versus the decedents of
the largest war lords in history, responsible for the deaths of
untold millions
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> 2nd in line is Spain. They saaaaavaged the cultures, human
civilizations and the sad part is their cultures are praised and
introduced into the education system and newer generations
simply forgot what the European nations committed against them
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> Karnataka state should send 100000 immigrants to UK now.
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: October 16, 2023, 1:57 pm
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When a Shankaracharya went to jail for Hindu Muslim unity:
HTML https://m.timesofindia.com/india/when-a-shankaracharya-went-to-jail-for-hindu-muslim-unity/articleshow/937812.cms
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: January 16, 2024, 10:34 am
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Truth about "martial races":
HTML https://x.com/Katz4B/status/1666031053734289410?s=20
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> Katz4Blue
> @Katz4B
> - martial race-
> It’s Made Up By d Brits post 1st War of Independence, 1857
>
> d army battalions from UP, Bengal & Bihar went against d Brits
- but d Pathans, Punjabi Muslims, Sikhs supported Brits in 1857
>
> Brits wanted to reduce d numbers of mutineers & increase
“martial race”
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"
"Slave race" would be more apt for these people... But alas.
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: October 23, 2024, 9:46 pm
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Difference between pre-Enlightenment settler (Turanian) and post
Enlightenment extractive (Gentile) colonialism (read comments):
HTML https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistory/comments/1dmfw0s/why_did_india_not_adopt_european_colonisers/
It is worth noting that the U.S. started off as a settler colony
(Jamestown, Massachusettes Bay) but did not retain this
character during its official founding, which was based on
(albeit Western) "egalitarian" Enlightenment values (in the vein
of similarly "egalitarian" France). Of course, the settler blood
was still there, manifesting in the form of the Confederacy and
frontier expansionism, but the prevailing view was an
Enlightenment one.
This is why perhaps Hitler considered Turandom (including Jewry)
a greater enemy than Atlanticism.
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:35 pm
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Enlightenment colonialism, rooted in Giant blood memory, is
about "civilizing" "non Whites", whom the Giants view as
inferior due to being low in sexual dimorphism. This is also why
it is paternalistic, in that it (accurately) views low sexual
dimorphism non Westerners as being more neotenous and hence more
childlike, who need to have their original nobility crushed to
accept Western Civilization. This is also the main argument
behind compulsory schooling.
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: December 21, 2024, 9:50 am
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HTML https://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php/hitler-not-gandhi-was-the-reason-for-the-1947-indian-independence
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Re: Indian Rebellion 1857
DIR By: rp
Date: December 21, 2024, 11:32 am
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HTML https://www.quora.com/Can-you-say-that-Adolf-Hitler-had-a-major-role-in-Indian-Independence?top_ans=6625463
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