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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 23, 2021, 10:17 pm
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This is what False Leftists care about:
HTML https://www.nola.com/news/article_f0e99ed4-336d-11ec-b9f7-7f40a1cf5396.html
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> New Orleans-built rocket set for test to send first woman and
person of color to moon
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In contrast, True Leftists want to eradicate the very idea of
space travel, which would not have existed in the first place in
absence of Western civilization. Some ignorant False Leftists
claim that desire for space travel is a general "human" desire
in reaction to possessing the machines that enable it, and thus
is not exclusively Western; this can be disproven by showing
that Westerners desired space travel long before they were able
to build the machines needed:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_in_science_fiction
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> Early works of science fiction, called "proto SF", such as
novels by 17th century writers Francis Godwin and Cyrano de
Bergerac, or astronomer Johannes Kepler, include "lunar
romances", where much of the action takes place on the Moon.[4]
> ...
> From the late 19th and early 20th centuries onward there was a
visible distinction between more "realistic" and scientific
fiction (which later would evolve into hard sf[8]), whose
writers, often scientists like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and Max
Valier, focused on the more plausible concept of interplanetary
travel (to the Moon or Mars), whereas the more grandiose but
less grounded in realism were the stories of "escape from Earth
into a Universe filled with worlds", which gave rise the genre
of space opera, pioneered by E. E. Smith
> ...
> On the screen the French movie 1902 A Trip to the Moon, by
Georges Méliès, also described as the first science fiction
film, linked special effects to the depictions of
spaceflight.[5]: 744 [10] Together with other early
movies such as Woman in the Moon (1929), Thing to Come (1936)
they contributed to the early recognition of the concept of the
rocket as the iconic and primary means of space travel, decades
before the space program begun in earnest.[5]: 744 
Later milestones in film and television include the Star Trek
series and movies, and the 2001: A Space Odyssey film by Stanley
Kubrick (1968), which visually advanced the concept of space
travel, allowing it to evolve away from the simplistic rocket
towards that of a more complex space ship.[5]: 744 
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False Leftists are nothing but Westerners who want to give
"whites" less credit for Western civilization, and who thus want
to reframe Western ideas as general "human progress" that they
delusionally claim would have happened sooner or later anyway
(with or without Western civilization).
True Leftists have no problem with giving all due credit to
"whites" (including Jews) for Western civilization because this
only strengthens our case against them!
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 2, 2021, 9:06 pm
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In response to global warming, we already know that the most
guaranteed effective countermeasures are drastic population
reduction and de-industrialization. But instead of pursuing
these objectives, Westerners have been trying to solve the
problem by introducing yet more machines, whether they be
electric cars, nuclear fusion reactors, or anything else tries
to let us maintain the industrial lifestyle while averting the
consequences, and also averting any need to consider that our
own desires are the problem. Here is the latest and perhaps most
obvious example yet of the Western approach to problem-solving:
HTML https://futurism.com/the-byte/amazon-geoengineering-research
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> A billionaire researching plans to dim the Sun might seem like
the plot of a famous “The Simpsons” episode — but that’s exactly
what Jeff Bezos seems to be doing.
>
> Bezos’ megaretailer Amazon has partnered with the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the geoengineering nonprofit
SilverLining to help create models that show what exactly would
happen if we blocked out some of the Sun’s rays, Gizmodo
reports.
>
> More specifically, the company is donating its powerful
computer processors to help model 30 different simulations of
Earth’s future climate. In one of those simulated worlds, humans
have artificially injected aerosols into the atmosphere to dim
sunlight — drastically cooling down the planet in the process.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: guest55
Date: December 2, 2021, 10:29 pm
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Jeff: Oh snap that flame-thrower in the living room was a bad
idea Elon, the house is on fire!!!
Elon: Should I turn it off Jeff!?
Jeff: Nah! Just turn off the lights and open the freezer door
we'll be good!
:D
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Re: Climate, Weather, and Climate Effects, 2020 and Beyond
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: December 16, 2021, 8:01 pm
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> But lately I cannot help but wonder how did these people get
to be this specifically stupid!? I mean, most of them aren't
even living in reality at this point!?
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Savitri Devi wrote something about how literate/educated
societies are counterintuitively more receptive to mass
propaganda, since, in their hubris, they believe they are too
smart to be affected by it.
False Leftists just need to see an infographic or random news
article quote from an "expert" they've never heard of, and boom,
they have been just as easily herded as any rightist. No need
for fact checking or rational thinking. They commit all the
irrational follies they observe rightists committing; they just
place their trust in different sources.
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Also, here's what I was mentioning before:
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> Long-time nuclear waste warning messages are intended to deter
human intrusion at nuclear waste repositories in the far future,
within or above the order of magnitude of 10,000 years. Nuclear
semiotics is an interdisciplinary field of research, first done
by the Human Interference Task Force in 1981.
>
> A 1993 report from Sandia National Laboratories recommended
that such messages be constructed at several levels of
complexity. They suggested that the sites should include
foreboding physical features which would immediately convey to
future visitors that the site was both man-made and dangerous,
as well as providing pictographic information attempting to
convey some details of the danger, and written explanations for
those able to read it.
> [...]
> The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant has done extensive research in
development of written or pictorial messages to warn future
generations. Since today's written languages are unlikely to
survive,[2] the research team has considered pictograms and
hostile architecture in addition to them.[1] Texts were proposed
to be translated to every UN written language. In 1994, Level
II, III, and IV messages in English were translated into French,
Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, Russian, and Navajo, with plans to
continue testing and revision of the original English text and
subsequent eventual translation into further languages.[3]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages
We don't need that for carbon dioxide because trees literally
use carbon dioxide as food--using it to grow their wood and make
sugar/starch (which nearly all life forms use as food)... We
don't even need that for other potent greenhouse gases like
methane either.
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> [quote][quote]Yeah that's actually a major issue with nuclear
waste.
>
> And my (and many others) biggest issue with nuclear power. We
haven't actually solved the waste issue. Our best idea is bury
it, hope it doesn't leak, and hope the civilization 1000-10,000
years from now doesn't stumble on it unawares. That last problem
illustrates just how unsolved these issues are. As we don't
actually have a means of conveying danger reliably to a future
society. All the proposed solutions, have major flaws. Case in
point: Illustrations won't work because a skull and crossbones
might mean death to us, but could be a symbol of their god, or a
comic strip style showing someone getting sick and dying could
easily be read backwards and inadvertently show someone becoming
healthy.
>
> And that's just the holes in our plan for what we should do to
protect people 10,000 years from now. Our plans for protecting
people today are just as flawed. Especially since we already
have so much nuclear waste permanently stored in temporary
storage facilities that every square inch of future storage
facilities is already spoken for 2x over. Because only a handful
of places on the globe have the conditions to store it long
term. And even then many of those risk leaks into ground water
etc.
>
> Oh yeah, and there's the glaring issue that we don't actually
know with certainty that whatever structures we build to store
it will even be able to survive the millenia until the
radioactivity has gone down to safe levels. And with them shoved
200ft below the surface it would be years before we even knew
something was wrong, at which point it would be too late.
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One barrel per year per reactor is extremely small. We could
store all of it for safely thousands of years in a single
facility (like the one in Nevada).
It's a political issue - not an engineering or environmental
issue.
In a couple hundred years, we'll likely have the technology to
recycle it anyway.[/quote]
The problem with the facility in Nevada is that the groundwater
is percolating through the fractures in the tuff much, much
faster that modeled. They’re seeing isotopes from the nuclear
testing in the 40s and 50s in the groundwater adjacent to the
facility, which the groundwater is connected to flows that exit
the area to the southeast, that are populated. That, and due to
the plutonium having close to a 2 million year half-life, the
EPA wants a stable facility capable of being nonpollutive for 1
million years. The failed rift zone by the Baja has the
potential also to reactivate the currently inactive/extinct
volcanoes in the area as well. There are definitely some
scientific and environmental concerns.[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/rcktxo/til_the_us_strategic_petroleum_reserves_are/hnw341x/
Western governments can't even do basic things like shelter
homeless people (despite more than enough vacant housing to
house all of them), etc. Hell, they can't even plan beyond a
single election cycle for massive, unignorable problems (e.g.
global warming, overpopulation)! Why would anyone think they are
competent enough to STORE DEADLY WASTE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF YEARS? (Especially given all of the hundreds of nuclear
accidents that have happened so far?) Assuming the quotation
above is accurate, the "simple" and "fool-proof" Western plans
to contain nuclear waste have already failed and polluted the
groundwater...
People criticized Trump for his "magical thinking" of believing
he could just will things into existence. That's literally what
"progressives" are doing when they take for granted that
"although we are doomed with current rates of pollution and
resource use, _surely_ people in the future will invent
something to fix all this, so don't worry!"
Insanity.
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> A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued
progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met
by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally
they believe that there are enough matter and energy on the
Earth to provide for the population of the world.
>
> Looking further into the future, they posit that the abundance
of matter and energy in space would appear to give humanity
almost unlimited room for growth.
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopian
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> According to Malthusian theory, the size and growth of the
population depend on the food supply and agricultural methods.
In Boserup's theory, agricultural methods depend on the size of
the population. In the Malthusian view, when food is not
sufficient for everyone, the excess population will die.
However, Boserup argued that in those times of pressure, people
will find ways to increase the production of food by increasing
workforce, machinery, fertilizers, etc.
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester_Boserup#Scholarly_contributions
Thinking future generations can just magic their way out of a
problem so we don't have to deal with it today is just insanity.
Even in (authentically) conservative societies they understand
that they have a responsibility to ensure future generations are
not overburdened by problems created during our lifetimes,
because the conservative fears this will eventually disrupt the
continuity of their traditions.
But False Left "progressives"... Unless I'm just being
uncharitable here, it seems they care even less about the
welfare of future generations than (authentic) conservatives.
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Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest
DIR By: guest55
Date: December 19, 2021, 11:47 pm
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> What if they are like him!?
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Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest
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> The Universe is incredibly big and seems full of potential for
life, with billions of habitable planets. If an advanced
civilization had the technology to travel between the stars, at
just 0.1% of the speed of light, It could colonize our galaxy in
roughly 100 million years. Which is not that long given the
billions of years the milky way has existed – so in principle
any spacefaring civilization should be able to spread rapidly
over huge sectors of the galaxy. And yet we see nothing, hear
nothing, the universe seems empty. Devoid of others. This is the
Fermi Paradox, which we have discussed in more detail in other
videos.
>
> Confronted with the seemingly empty universe, humanity faces a
dilemma. We desperately want to know if we are alone in the
Milky Way. We want to call out and reveal ourselves to anyone
watching but that could be the last thing we ever do. Because
maybe the universe is not empty. Maybe it’s full of
civilizations but they are hiding from each other. Maybe the
civilizations that attracted attention in the past were wiped
away by invisible arrows. This is the Dark Forest solution to
the Fermi paradox.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUJYP8tnRE
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 16, 2022, 11:11 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL9z4n7PIBk
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 24, 2022, 11:57 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/decision-invade-ukraine-raises-questions-185646957.html
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> Vladimir Ashurkov, a close aide of Alexei Navalny, Putin’s
most prominent opponent who is now in a penal colony, described
Monday’s rambling speech by the Russian president about Ukraine
as “really bizarre”.
>
> “It’s unprecedented in the rhetoric of world leaders, but also
for Russia. It’s quite strange,” said Ashurkov, who is executive
director of Navalny Anti-Corruption Foundation, and lives in
exile.
>
> “Why would you spend so much time, you know, looking back into
the past, when we now live in the 21st century? We should be
looking into the future.
> ...
> “I think he’s in some sort of self-induced concept of reality
that is very revanchist, based in the past, and in the trauma of
the dissolution of Soviet Union,” he said.
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Well, Putin is connecting himself to the past, and he is also
currently running circles around the False Left politicians who
are not. So instead of complaining about Putin's connection to
the past, we should be replacing False Left politicians with
True Left politicians who understand that a rightist connected
to the past can only be defeated by a leftist connected to the
past.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 25, 2022, 9:27 pm
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The worst of False Leftism:
HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-black-and-asian-people-do-not-resent-e2-80-98western-achievements-e2-80-99-we-made-them-possible/ar-AAWwIZx
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> No, Black and Asian people do not resent ‘Western
achievements.’ We made them possible.
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Those who do resent Western achievements, such as ourselves,
would never call ourselves "black" or "Asian" (Western terms) in
the first place.
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> Why would we resent something that we have contributed
significantly to?
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Because we we were forced to contribute to it?
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> Historically, the U.S. has relied heavily on the labor of
people of color and immigrants for its economy. Enslaved Black
people were responsible for the growth of America’s economy in
the 19th century. Slavery has been called the economic engine of
the South, which at one point was the source of the majority of
cotton used in Britain, France and Russia. By the start of the
Civil War, the South was profiting handsomely from the labor of
enslaved Black people.
--- End Quote ---
Are you arguing that we should not resent slavery just because
slavery ended up contributing to the economy of a civilization
that added a lot of machines to the world?
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> Around the same time as the war, in the early to mid-1860s,
the Central Pacific Railroad was recruiting Chinese laborers to
work on the country’s first transcontinental railroad after an
insufficient number of white workers responded to its ads. Doing
extremely dangerous and exhausting work while being paid less
than their white counterparts, these estimated 15,000 to 20,000
Chinese migrants were essential to what has been described as
“one of the most ambitious American engineering enterprises at
the time” — despite the lack of recognition they receive even to
this day.
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Are you arguing that we should not resent being unfairly paid
for dangerous work, again just because this ended up
contributing to the economy of a civilization that added a lot
of machines to the world? (What happened to rail travel in the
US, by the way? It was soon sidelined by newer modes of
transport such as cars and planes. This is how Western
civilization ultimately repaid the railroad labourers. Should we
not resent this?)
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> The man behind Zoom, the video conferencing platform that most
of us have depended on to work from home during the pandemic, is
Eric Yuan, an Asian man who immigrated to the U.S. from China in
1997. Baiju Bhatt, an Indian American entrepreneur, is one of
the co-founders and the chief creative officer of Robinhood, the
commission-free trading app that has made investing in and
trading stocks and other financial assets more accessible to the
masses and has been valued at $32 billion. As its name suggests,
Beats by Dr. Dre, which Apple acquired in 2014 for a record $3
billion and is one of the most recognizable headphone brands on
the market, was created by Dr. Dre — a Black American rapper,
producer and entrepreneur from Compton, California — with
business partner Jimmy Iovine.
>
> Many more such examples exist of both Asian Americans — who
“drive Silicon Valley innovation,” according to a 2016 Nikkei
Asia article — and Black Americans, who have succeeded despite
the lack of support from Silicon Valley investors.
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These particular individuals probably do not resent Western
civilization, but only because they have personally profited
from it. Are you arguing, therefore, that personal profit should
be considered more important than ethical principles?
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> In this day and age, when the global community is so
interconnected and constantly collaborating, the term “Western
achievements” feels outdated. The East-West divide that Wax’s
rhetoric perpetuates is unnecessary and dangerous, as it could
enforce stereotypes about differences that are not accurate and
fan the flames of xenophobia.
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No, I welcome Wax's use of the term "Western achievements". I
only disagree with Wax in that I would prefer Western
achievements to never have occurred. Both Wax and I would argue
that if the same individuals behind Zoom, Robinhood, etc. had
been born in an alternate world in which Western civilization
had never existed, they would not have come up with Zoom,
Robinhood, etc.. The difference is that I would prefer the
alternate world to have been our reality. In practice, this
means I want to destroy Western civilization so that the rest of
us can return to a lifestyle more like what we had before the
colonial era.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 12, 2022, 8:54 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/modern-world-cant-exist-without-100035723.html
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> The Modern World Can't Exist Without These Four Ingredients.
They All Require Fossil Fuels
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The modern world was never meant to exist.
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> Modern societies would be impossible without mass-scale
production of many man-made materials. We could have an affluent
civilization that provides plenty of food, material comforts,
and access to good education and health care without any
microchips or personal computers: we had one until the 1970s,
and we managed, until the 1990s, to expand economies, build
requisite infrastructures and connect the world by jetliners
without any smartphones and social media. But we could not enjoy
our quality of life without the provision of many materials
required to embody the myriad of our inventions.
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Before we get into the main discussion, compulsory schooling is
not "good education". And jetliners should never have existed
either.
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> Four materials rank highest on the scale of necessity, forming
what I have called the four pillars of modern civilization:
cement, steel, plastics, and ammonia are needed in larger
quantities than are other essential inputs. The world now
produces annually about 4.5 billion tons of cement, 1.8 billion
tons of steel, nearly 400 million tons of plastics, and 180
million tons of ammonia. But it is ammonia that deserves the top
position as our most important material: its synthesis is the
basis of all nitrogen fertilizers, and without their
applications it would be impossible to feed, at current levels,
nearly half of today’s nearly 8 billion people.
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The planet should never have been populated by anywhere near 4
billion (let alone 8 billion) humans. Ammonia is the culprit!
Guess which civilization introduced ammonia:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia
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> Gaseous ammonia was first isolated by Joseph Black in 1756 by
reacting sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) with calcined magnesia
(magnesium oxide).[49][50] It was isolated again by Peter Woulfe
in 1767,[51][52] by Carl Wilhelm Scheele in 1770[53] and by
Joseph Priestley in 1773 and was termed by him "alkaline
air".[20][54] Eleven years later in 1785, Claude Louis
Berthollet ascertained its composition.[55][20]
> ...
> Ammonia even at dilute concentrations is highly toxic to
aquatic animals, and for this reason it is classified as
dangerous for the environment.
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Back to first link:
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> This dependence easily justifies calling ammonia synthesis the
most momentous technical advance in history: other inventions
provide our comforts, convenience or wealth or prolong our
lives—but without the synthesis of ammonia, we could not ensure
the very survival of billions of people alive today and yet to
be born.
--- End Quote ---
Of course we can. Just stop using crops to raise
meat/egg/milk/etc. animals and the surplus will more than offset
the loss from not using ammonia.
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> Plastics are a large group of synthetic organic materials
whose common quality is that they can be molded into desired
shapes—and they are now everywhere. As I type this, the keys of
my Dell laptop and a wireless mouse under my right palm are made
of acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, I sit on a swivel chair
upholstered in a polyester fabric, and its nylon wheels rest on
a polycarbonate carpet protection mat that covers a polyester
carpet. But plastics are now most indispensable in health care
in general and in hospitals in particular. Life now begins (in
maternity wards) and ends (in intensive care units) surrounded
by plastic items made above all from different kinds of PVC:
flexible tubes (for feeding patients, delivering oxygen, and
monitoring blood pressure), catheters, intravenous containers,
blood bags, sterile packaging, trays and basins, bedpans and bed
rails, thermal blankets.
--- End Quote ---
Not to mention:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12279/#msg12279
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12544/#msg12544
Continuing:
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> Steel’s strength, durability, and versatility determines the
look of modern civilization and enables its most fundamental
functions. This is the most widely used metal and it forms
countless visible and invisible critical components of modern
civilization, from skyscrapers to scalpels. Moreover, nearly all
other metallic and non-metallic products we use have been
extracted, processed, shaped, finished, and distributed with
tools and machines made of steel, and no mode of today’s mass
transportation could function without steel. The average car
contains about 900 kilograms of steel and before Covid-19 struck
the world was making nearly 100 million vehicles a year.
--- End Quote ---
Cars should never have existed either.
As for skyscrapers:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg39/#msg39
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> According to FLAP, between one and nine million birds die each
year in the city from hitting skyscrapers due to mistaking
reflective windows for open sky, or being drawn to lights at
night.[1]
>
> According to a 2014 article in the ornithological journal
Condor, an estimated 365 million to 988 million birds die each
year by colliding into buildings in the United States.[2]
--- End Quote ---
Back to first link:
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> Cement is, of course, the key component of concrete: combined
with sand, gravel and water it makes the most massively deployed
material. Modern cities are embodiments of concrete, as are
bridges, tunnels, roads, dams, runways and ports.
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We do not need to build any more. We should be gradually
abandoning more and more buildings along with reducing
population.
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> And these four materials, so unlike in their properties and
qualities, share three common traits: they are not readily
replaceable by other materials (certainly not in the near future
or on a global scale); we will need much more of them in the
future; and their mass-scale production depends heavily on the
combustion of fossil fuels, making them major sources of
greenhouse gas emissions. Organic fertilizers cannot replace
synthetic ammonia: their low nitrogen content and their
worldwide mass are not enough even if all manures and crop
residues were recycled. No other materials offer such advantages
for many lightweight yet durable uses as plastics. No other
metal is as affordably strong as steel. No other mass-produced
material is as suitable for building strong infrastructure as
concrete (often reinforced with steel).
--- End Quote ---
The correct answer is to reduce population and thus reduce
demand.
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> Moreover, the unfolding transition to renewable energies will
demand huge amounts of steel, concrete and plastics. No
structures are more obvious symbols of “green” electricity
generation than large wind turbines—but their foundations are
reinforced concrete, their towers, nacelles, and rotors are
steel, and their massive blades are energy-intensive—and
difficult to recycle—plastic resins, and all of these giant
parts must be brought to the installation sites by outsized
trucks (or ships) and erected by large steel cranes, and turbine
gearboxes must be repeatedly lubricated with oil. These turbines
would generate truly green electricity only if all of these
materials were made without any fossil fuels.
--- End Quote ---
With a reduced population, fewer additional turbines will need
to be built. Heck, reduce population enough and existing
turbines might already be enough!
--- Quote ---
> And beyond these four material pillars new and highly
energy-intensive material dependencies are emerging and electric
cars are their best example A typical lithium car battery
weighing about 450 kilograms contains about 11 kilograms of
lithium, nearly 14 kilograms of cobalt, 27 kilograms of nickel,
more than 40 kilograms of copper, and 50 kilograms of
graphite—as well as about 181 kilograms of steel, aluminum, and
plastics. Supplying these materials for a single vehicle
requires processing about 40 tons of ores, and given the low
concentration of many elements in their ores it necessitates
extracting and processing about 225 tons of raw materials. And
aggressive electrification of road transport would soon require
multiplying these needs by tens of millions of units per year!
--- End Quote ---
Lower population means fewer people needing transportation. This
is the only correct answer.
--- Quote ---
> Modern economies will always be tied to massive material
flows, whether those of ammonia-based fertilizers to feed the
still-growing global population; plastics, steel, and cement
needed for new tools, machines, structures, and infrastructures;
or new inputs required to produce solar cells, wind turbines,
electric cars, and storage batteries. And until all energies
used to extract and process these materials come from renewable
conversions, modern civilization will remain fundamentally
dependent on the fossil fuels used in the production of these
indispensable materials. No artificial intelligence designs, no
apps, no claims of coming “dematerialization” will change that.
--- End Quote ---
Prohibiting most people from reproducing is all that is needed
to change it.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: May 14, 2022, 1:42 pm
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"Progressivism" will always be an inferior mindset for leftists,
because it prevents leftists from tapping into attitudes and
experiences like this:
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> I hadn’t really considered the effect of consumerism until my
late 30s, which is roughly when I joined the Society for
Creative Anachronism (SCA). Being in a medieval reenacting
setting meant that I was given the opportunity to value the food
I ate, tools I worked with, things I wore, because I was making
my own tools/textiles/clothing/jewellery, etc.
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> It only took me a couple of months to start seeing everything
around me through the lens of a craftsperson. I was appreciating
the effort behind handcrafts more, and started shunning
“disposable” items because there was an enormous portion of my
life that those things wouldn’t fit into. And once you’ve made
your own stuff, or bought it off another craftsperson, there’s a
deeper connection to that item than I’d ever experienced before.
I will prefer to use the things I have made sustainably to any
plastic item.
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> Did anyone else have some type of event that triggered their
shift to anti-consumption? If so, what was it?
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> I definitely got that feeling from learning how to sew, with a
focus on sewing historically inspired clothing. Really opened my
eyes to how most modern clothing is trash from its very
conception. Terrible fabrics, terrible tailoring, and terrible
workmanship. I now lean towards thrifted clothes as at least
they survived a few washes and there is more variety. Plus I
tend towards tighter woven natural fabrics so any repairs I do
will last.
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> To me, anticonsumption is not just about deciding not to buy
things. It's about learning to relate to the physical world
differently. You don't have to be a subsistence farmer, but
learning skills like how to repair your own clothes or fix your
appliances can go a long way.
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> I've had a very similar experience. I haven't started
re-enacting, yet. However, getting into the re-enacting scene;
learning to make, grow, and reuse items myself; and learning how
expensive and inaccessible even a fraction of our level of
consumption and waste would have been to people just a hundred
years ago is shocking. I have a much deeper respect for the
objects I use and what I have access to, but I also respect the
ingenuity of the people who came before us. I can't imagine
going back to living life the way I used to. It just feels so
wasteful.
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