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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: SirGalahad Date: June 26, 2021, 2:36 pm
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[quote]The word "picnic" also made the list because it is "often
associated with lynchings of Black people in the United States,
during which White spectators were said to have watched while
eating, referring to them as picnics or other terms involving
racial slurs against Black people."[/quote]
This actually isn't true. It's just an urban legend. But I agree
with some of the other stuff
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: rp Date: July 12, 2021, 10:31 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/petersavodnik/status/1414709032263192582?s=19
[Quote]
It's odd that people who say they believe in progress hate space
travel.
[/Quote]
It is very odd indeed. The answer is that they are not
progressives, but True Leftists in the making.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 18, 2021, 10:37 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xa12sv7AUg
As usual, TYT (who proudly and accurately call themselves
progressives) reveal their False Leftism.
Firstly, it's not "humanity" who did this, it was Westerners.
Everything they describe is a consequence of Western
civilization exclusively.
Secondly, long before "the scientists" predicted it, it was
already utterly in-your-face obvious to anyone not Westernized.
History looking back at our era should be praising all the
non-Western civilizations (which would never have created these
problems in the first place) long before praising Western
scientists who at most had the meagre ability to see what they
had done after already doing it (was it not also Western
scientists who enabled the Industrial Revolution in the first
place?).
Thirdly, the solution is not more advanced machines! TYT
correctly identifies the (exclusively Western) belief in the
desirability of infinite growth as the source of the problems we
currently face, but by proposing more machines as the solution
are practicing the exact same (exclusively Western) belief -
only transferred to technology rather than economy: the problems
created by today's machines can be solved with tomorrow's more
advanced machines. False Leftists just are incapable of
accepting that the problems created by Western civilization can
never be solved by appeal to a different facet of Western
civilization, but only by radical rejection of Western
civilization in its entirety.
Laslty, success is not defined by achieving sustainability! If
you bother to just think about it for a moment, sustainability
itself is nothing but yet another type of infinite growth, but
merely along the time axis FFS! TYT is so intellectually Western
they don't even realize how Western they are.....
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: guest55 Date: July 19, 2021, 12:06 pm
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This is the top comment to the video posted above which I found
to be an interesting point:
[quote]LightFangX
13 hours ago
*slow claps*
Well done humanity. Instead of putting the smartest people in
charge you put the most greedy people in charge.[/quote]
Firstly, "smartness" does not necessarily equate a person being
devoid of "greed". A smart person can still be very greedy.
Secondly, who was it that voted these greedy people into office
time and time again in Western governments? That's right, the
majority under a democracy did! What does that say about the
majority of people in any given Western country? What does that
say about democracy over-all? Is it possible that greedy people
love democracy because they know the majority of people will
vote them in to office time and time again?
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
By: guest55 Date: August 9, 2021, 7:34 pm
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Worth a listen at the least:
[quote]4 False Beliefs that Society is Built On - Dr. Bruce
Lipton
Dr. Bruce Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in
bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling
author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi
Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and
radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and
international conferences.
In 1982, Dr. Lipton began examining the principles of quantum
physics and how they might be integrated into his understanding
of the cell’s information processing systems. He produced
breakthrough studies on the cell membrane, which revealed that
this outer layer of the cell was an organic homologue of a
computer chip, the cell’s equivalent of a brain. His research at
Stanford University’s School of Medicine, between 1987 and 1992,
revealed that the environment, operating though the membrane,
controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell, turning
genes on and off. His discoveries, which ran counter to the
established scientific view that life is controlled by the
genes, presaged one of today’s most important fields of study,
the science of epigenetics. Two major scientific publications
derived from these studies defined the molecular pathways
connecting the mind and body. Many subsequent papers by other
researchers have since validated his concepts and ideas.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5w3EjikdA
From our perspective:
1. Universalism is greater than Materialism. Materialism leads
to competition instead of unity.
2. Genetics are half the story, blood-memory is the other half
of the story.
3. Evolution is based upon selective pressure, blood-memory
effects evolution.
4. Competition in evolution is what leads to materialism and
anthropocentricism, both of which are evil and dangerous.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/truth-knowledge/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
Blood-Memory:
[img width=1280
height=720]
HTML https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/86402-C-G-Jung-Quote-Who-has-fully-realized-that-history-is-not.jpg[/img]
HTML https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-we-are-linked-by-blood-and-blood-is-memory-without-language-joyce-carol-oates-21-84-87.jpg
To truly understand what's going on inside of you in an honest
attempt to Know Thyself you're going to have to get past your
ego, which can be very difficult for most, especially
Westerners!
Hint: Anthropocentricism = Ego!
HTML https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-ego-tends-to-equate-having-with-being-i-have-therefore-i-am-and-the-more-i-have-eckhart-tolle-85-87-64.jpg
To be a good Westerner you will need: more money, more power,
more knowledge, more control, more understanding, more
technology, more culture, more muscle, more friends, more
houses, more cars, more jewellery, more decorations, more fans,
more support, more love, more acceptance, more fame, more
education, more, more, and more, etc.... Until one day you have
SO MUCH material item's in your possession you finally feel
fulfilled, right? THAT is the Western way in a nutshell!
[img width=1280
height=720]
HTML https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/1800223-Eckhart-Tolle-Quote-The-ego-wants-to-want-more-than-it-wants-to.jpg[/img]
HTML http://img.picturequotes.com/2/501/500564/awareness-and-ego-cannot-coexist-quote-1.jpg
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 19, 2021, 4:23 am
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While I am grateful to False Leftists at least trying to make
the case that Afghan refugees should be accepted by NATO
countries, it is at the same time frustrating to observe that
they cannot seem to do so without portraying the Taliban
negatively. There is nothing stopping from simply arguing that
some people like the Taliban and other people dislike it,
therefore those who dislike it should not have to pay taxes to
it. Instead they are talking like the Taliban is some kind of
supervillain group.
Worse, I have even seen some False Leftists call the Taliban
"far-right". WTF? Rightism = defence of Western civilization.
Since when has the Taliban been promoters of Western classical
music FFS?! What the False Leftists really mean, of course, is
that the Taliban is not progressive. In their minds, leftism =
progressivism and rightism = anything else.
Actually, leftism = attack on Western civilization. And
progressivism itself is a Western idea. You cannot truly attack
Western civilization without also attacking progressivism. This
is why progressives are False Leftists: they merely attack some
parts of Western civilization (e.g. "white" supremacism) using
other parts (e.g. human "rights") which end up being defended).
The Taliban are not ideologically polished by our standards, but
at least when they attack a given aspect Western civilization,
they don't use a different aspect of Western civilization to do
so.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: SirGalahad Date: August 19, 2021, 2:10 pm
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The reason why they don't like the Taliban is because of how
they treat women and gay people, which is understandable. The
Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right wingers,
so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't like right
wingers to begin with. The Taliban aren't racist, but they still
fall into the other trappings that make it hard to defend them
against the West
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: guest55 Date: August 19, 2021, 5:17 pm
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Islam itself is traditionalist lest we forget. Let's also not
forget comparisons such as these:
[img]
HTML https://yt3.ggpht.com/TwTeoC7DO91dlIaNqjCOPF5yejd61hl9C5YFmPw9v4iIwO3qV4E20mUX_w7nHkj_20Wp_CSWczV-=s640-nd[/img]
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 19, 2021, 10:05 pm
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"The Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right
wingers, so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't
like right wingers to begin with."
The difference is that the tradition of right-wingers occupying
the US (please do not call them "Americans"):
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/
is Western tradition, whereas the tradition of the Taliban is a
non-Western tradition. So the only people for whom it makes
sense to dislike the Taliban for the same reason that they
dislike right-wingers are progressives. Hence the need to more
clearly distinguish between progressives and anti-Westerners.
For one thing, it is only Western tradition which leads to:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
The problem is that progressives support this ****!
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg4831/#msg4831
(This is not to say that we cannot criticize the Taliban (or
other non-Western traditions), but our criticism should be from
a non-progressive stance: we should first agree that we should
to look to the past for inspiration (thereby already setting
ourselves apart from False Leftists who accuse the Taliban of
"backwardness" etc.), but then accuse them of misinterpreting
what the past was like, and offering a better interpretation.)
"make it hard to defend them against the West"
I was recently demonstrating how to do so:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7599/#msg7599
[quote](Rightists who claim that Islam etc. also requires women
to dress differently than men completely miss the point, which
is that Islamic dress codes try to reduce women's visible sexual
dimorphism as opposed to Western dress codes which try to
increase women's visible sexual dimorphism. It is incredible
that I even need to explain this.....)[/quote]
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7717/#msg7717
[quote]"those dress codes reduce the visual sexual dimorphism of
women without simultaneously reducing the visual sexual
dimorphism of men to the same degree."
This is a valid criticism and one which I have raised myself in
the past. Why should women do more work than men in dressing up?
They should not. But the point here is that Western dress also
requires women to do more work than men in dressing up, yet this
extra work is done by women in order to increase their visible
sexual dimorphism! Thus both Western and Islamic dress codes
(sadly) require women to do more work, but for opposite
objectives, and comparing only the objectives allows us to
conclude that Islamic dress code is at least trying to aim in a
good direction (albeit with much room for improvement).[/quote]
Basically, Westerners are more voyeuristic. (Especially the
French.)
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 5, 2021, 11:33 pm
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Rightists continue to fail at understanding the difference
between progressivism and wokeness:
HTML https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2021/10/residential-schools-were-woke-idea.html
[quote]The current debate over Canadian residential schools for
native children has avoided analyzing the real reason why they
were started in 1876 and lasted until 1947.
That’s because the idea was shaped by the woke belief nurture
(Western schooling) would overcome nature (Native biology). Our
Victorian ancestors thought if you took the natives out of their
remote communities and taught them how to read and write it
would lift up those communities, and the entire native culture,
to Western standards.[/quote]
This is progressivism, not wokeness. Progressivism is
pro-Western. Wokeness is anti-Western. The intention to create
more Westerners from prior non-Westerners via compulsory
schooling is a pro-Western intention.
[quote]At the time, native kids had no running water, no toilet
facilities, no clean clothes, no education and little or no hope
for a better future.[/quote]
Because to our enemies, this is not running water:
[img width=1280
height=961]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Longest_Rivers_of_Canada.png[/img]
[quote]The guilt for all this rests squarely on the shoulders of
19th Century progressives, the woke of their day. For woke
leftists today to blame the churches for failures to administer
their own ideas, is irony at its finest. This was a progressive
failure from start to finish.[/quote]
Progressives were not the woke of the 19th century. The woke of
the 19th century were the Romantics, who were both
anti-progressive and anti-colonialist:
HTML https://eprints.utas.edu.au/10817/2/WHOLE_-kUNDA.pdf
[quote]It is not commonly remarked that over a span of more than
forty years the Surrealists published anti-colonial tracts and
staunch criticism of the West, but it is routinely observed that
in their collections, exhibitions and artwork they included
objects and referred to the cosmologies of non-Western cultures.
...
In her reading of the Manifesto, Taoua imputes the presence of
Rousseau’s noble savage, an idea, she says, that ‘undergirds
Breton’s social criticism, which values the native instincts in
human beings which are ostensibly corrupted by education and the
alienating experience of acculturation into the French middle
class.’74
...
‘In contrast to these discourses that explicitly or implicitly
upheld the superiority of European society,’ she writes, ‘the
Surrealists glorified non-Western cultures through emphasising
the potential of the non-rational to ‘liberate’ repressive
European society.88[/quote]
HTML https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/915/chapter-abstract/144641/Romanticism-and-the-Longing-for-Anticolonial
(Note that while we prefer these lines of thought to those of
progressivism, we do not entirely endorse their lines of
argument either.)
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