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#Post#: 48--------------------------------------------------
Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 2, 2020, 4:15 am
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Racists cite this experiment a lot with the intention of
demoralizing us:
jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html (I strongly recommend reading
the whole article)
--- Quote ---
> The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation
> ...
> Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that
ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition
and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From
a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible
strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on
cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group
agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its
closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian
cooperation across group boundaries as world population
saturates. Selfish and traitorous strategies are self-limiting
because such agents do not cooperate with agents sharing the
same genes. Traitorous strategies fare even worse than selfish
ones because traitors are exploited by ethnocentrics across
group boundaries in the same manner as humanitarians are, via
unreciprocated cooperation. By tracking evolution across time,
we find individual differences between evolving worlds in terms
of early humanitarian competition with ethnocentrism, including
early stages of humanitarian dominance. Our evidence indicates
that such variation, in terms of differences between
humanitarian and ethnocentric agents, is normally distributed
and due to early, rather than later, stochastic differences in
immigrant strategies.
> ...
> The agents in these simulations can either defect against, or
cooperate with, other in-group or out-group agents, generating
four possible strategies: (a) a selfish strategy of constant
defection, (b) a traitorous strategy of cooperation with
out-group, but not in-group, agents, (c) an ethnocentric
strategy of cooperation within one's own group but not with
agents from different groups, and (d) a humanitarian strategy of
indiscriminate cooperation. From a random starting point,
ethnocentrism evolves to become the dominant strategy under some
variation in parameter settings, eventually characterizing about
75% of the world population.
--- End Quote ---
But this leaves out a fifth possible strategy: (e) a folkist
strategy of defection against those who practice (c) and
cooperation with everyone else.
Such a strategy would avoid the weakness of humanitarianism (ie.
being exploitable by (c)), while retaining the advantage of
wider cooperation. It reflects our assertion that racism cannot
be defeated by blind non-racism (as the simulation
demonstrates), but only by positive anti-racism.
I would like to see the simulation re-run with (e) added.
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 25, 2021, 10:25 pm
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No more computer simulations so far, but apparently my theory
that folkism can indeed beat ethnotribalism has been supported
by a reality TV simulation, as our enemies have noted:
HTML https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2021/08/nonwhites-gang-up-against-whites-cbs-program-big-brother.html
--- Quote ---
> A case in point is the highly rated reality television program
Big Brother, which airs on the CBS network Sundays, Wednesdays
and Thursdays. The premise of the show is a contest between
houseguests who are isolated from the outside world and who live
together on set and are in full view of the television and live
streaming audiences. The object of the game is to form alliances
with other people and conspire to turn the majority of the
household against one person, who is then evicted at the end of
the week via a majority vote. The contestants compete in games
to determine who will control nominations and those nominated
for eviction are given the opportunity to remove themselves from
the chopping block by competing in a veto competition. However,
if unsuccessful at obtaining the power of veto, the nominated
contestants must work to persuade the rest of the household
guests to keep them, usually by offering to protect them from
future nominations should they receive the head of household
power. At the end of the series, contestants who were previously
evicted will cast votes between the two remaining houseguests
and elect the winner via majority decision.
> ...
> romances, referred to as "showmances" on the program between a
handsome, physically fit young white male and a beautiful young
white female have been a popular staple. Moreover, the biggest
threats to win have, up until this season, been the athletic
white male or the intelligent white woman
> ...
> However, the most salient and important change this year is
that Big Brother has become a race-based contest between the
nonwhites and the whites, and the nonwhites are winning. The
strategy chosen by the nonwhites has been to form a secret
alliance against the whites and to stick together no matter the
circumstances to ensure a person of colour wins the contest this
year.
> ...
> For those who watch the program on television, each episode is
highly edited and appears as a mix of live and taped scenes.
Right from the early episodes of this season, the producers
presented clips showing that the nonwhites had immediately
formed an alliance against the whites to whom they were openly
resentful for their past successes on the program and for not
having lived the non-white experience in America. Whites have
inherited white privilege. In contrast, the white houseguests
have been portrayed as consistently playing the game using the
past tried and true strategies of forming partnerships with
others, preparing for contests, and promising to keep their
word. Yet the numbers have been against them and one by one
white contestants have been voted off the show while the
nonwhites openly celebrate and discuss the effectiveness of
their strategy.
--- End Quote ---
As usual, our enemies still fail to understand anti-tribalist
folkism:
--- Quote ---
> With any luck, the success of this season’s Big Brother may be
the start of a serious trend of reality television shows that
inadvertently help raise white racial consciousness by showing
the extent that average nonwhites are dedicated to promoting and
protecting their racial interests above all else
--- End Quote ---
Of course, this is untrue. If contestants of each "non-white"
ethnicity were trying to get a winner of their own ethnicity,
that would be ethnotribalist. But that is not what has been
happening:
HTML https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-09-16/big-brother-the-cookout-julie-chen-moonves
--- Quote ---
> the show, which has been rocked by charges of racism and
cultural insensitivity since its premiere in 2000, would finally
crown its first Black winner.
> ...
> In an email to The Times, Chen Moonves wrote that she and her
Chinese American cousins felt that the Cookout’s success this
season was “also a win for us, as Chinese Americans, as fellow
people of color. ... We are celebrating what the Cookout has
accomplished.” She added that she felt this season of “Big
Brother” “could be a case study to be looked at and discussed in
all schools starting as early as 4th grade on up … to look at
the issue of race.”
--- End Quote ---
Chinese bloodlines are on average more closely ancestrally
related to "white" than to "black":
[img]
HTML https://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/49UbU0pmodE4rlJYJV59BO/a32aa796357288d99d0dab068c0c358c/eurasianorigin2.png?w=650[/img]
If ethnotribalism were happening, Moonves would be siding with
"whites". She is not. Why not?
--- Quote ---
> Black contestants in the past complained of being outnumbered,
bullied and mistreated by white houseguests.
--- End Quote ---
Because she cares not about ancestral relatedness, but about
historical oppression. This is not about getting a win for our
relatives, but about ensuring that our common oppressor loses:
HTML https://www.insider.com/big-brother-host-julie-chen-says-cookout-alliance-isnt-racist-2021-9
--- Quote ---
> "It's people who have never had this opportunity before
banding together to do what the white houseguests have been
doing for years."
--- End Quote ---
similar to what was going on here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg5074/#msg5074
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg5081/#msg5081
--- Quote ---
> [quote]“This is not about pitting one diversity group against
another. So I’m happy to vote for a Hispanic, a Black person, an
LGBTQ person, an AAPI person. I’d just like to see more
diversity representation,” Hirono said.
--- End Quote ---
...
And our enemies respond with:
--- Quote ---
> I’m not exactly sure how adding more Hispanic, black, and
LGBTQ candidates help get more Asian Americans involved, but
there you have it.
--- End Quote ---
It's NOT ABOUT getting more "Asians" in! It seems our enemies
are too primitive to wrap their heads around this idea: that
anti-racism is not about benefiting one's own ethnic group.
Indeed, we would even be willing to a take a hit to our own
ethnic group for the sake of anti-racism. For example, if there
was currently two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one
"AAPI" nominee and we could change it to three "black" nominees,
we would do so without hesitation. Or if there were currently
two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one "black" nominee
and we could change it to three "AAPI" nominees, we would do
that too. This is what true anti-racist solidarity looks like.
Nothing in anti-racism is about self-interest. Everything in
anti-racism is about doing whatever it takes to destroy the
enemy, including hurting our own ethnic group if necessary.
So long as we hold to this fundamental principle, our enemies
will not succeed in tempting us to put self-interest before
anti-racism as they are already trying to do with articles like
this one:
HTML https://www.amren.com/blog/2021/03/blacks-wont-be-better-off-when-whites-are-a-minority/
WE DON'T MIND NOT BEING BETTER OFF. WE ONLY CARE ABOUT MAKING
YOU WORSE OFF.[/quote]
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 3, 2022, 12:38 am
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AOC does not understand folkism:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-says-us-treating-refugees-045400157.html
--- Quote ---
> Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the US should be
treating all refugees in the same way Ukrainian refugees are
being treated worldwide.
>
> "I think the world is watching and many immigrants and
refugees are watching, and how the world treats Ukraine and
Ukrainian refugees should be how we are treating all refugees in
the United States," Ocasio-Cortez told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on
Tuesday night.
--- End Quote ---
No, because if the US treats Ukrainian refugees like all other
refugees, then Ukrainian refugees will still get an unfair
advantage overall, as they are already receiving preferential
treatment in the EU. AOC is preaching (d) from the first post in
this topic, which has already proven to lose to (c).
The correct response is for the US to prioritize all refugees
except Ukrainian refugees, thereby cancelling out the advantage
that Ukrainian refugees are being given by the EU. This is (e).
Let me simplify it. Suppose you and another volunteer are both
in charge of handing out food to refugees, with them doing lunch
and you doing dinner. There are two refugees, one "white", the
other "non-white". You see the other volunteer, during lunch,
hand out both portions of food to the "white" refugee! So,
during dinner, how should you distribute the two portions of
food you have?
AOC is saying you should still give one portion to the "white"
refugee and the other to the "non-white" refugee despite knowing
that during lunch the "white" refugee already got an extra
portion from the racist volunteer while the "non-white" refugee
got nothing. I am saying you should give both portions to the
"non-white" refugee, thereby cancelling out what the racist
volunteer did. Who, AOC or myself, truly cares about fairness?
(Also, you should eliminate the bloodline of the racist
volunteer ASAP.)
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 5, 2022, 4:45 pm
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Jackson gets it:
HTML https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-ketanji-brown-jackson-alabama-voting-rights-act-section-2-174817990.html
--- Quote ---
> Participating in her second day of oral arguments on Tuesday,
Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson tangled with
Alabama’s solicitor general in a case challenging Section 2 of
the Voting Rights Act, which bars racial discrimination in
voting policies.
>
> The justices agreed to review a lower court’s opinion that
found Alabama’s redrawn 2021 congressional map was likely a
violation of the law because it includes only one majority Black
district out of seven, despite the fact that Black voters
account for 27% of the state’s voting population.
> ...
> In court Tuesday, Edmund LaCour, Alabama’s solicitor general,
argued that the map was “race-neutral,” and that the order for a
new map would put the state at odds with the Equal Protection
Clause of the Constitution because it would have to prioritize
race in redistricting.
--- End Quote ---
LaCour wants "whites" to be allowed to deliberately draw the map
to give an advantage to the "white" vote as long as they do not
openly declare they are doing it for the sake of giving an
advantage to the "white" vote, but wants pointing this out to be
portrayed as "racism" since pointing it out requires saying
whose vote is advantaged by the map. LaCour is using the same
trick as Levitt was using here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg15975/#msg15975
In short, LaCour wants "whites" to quietly practice (c) while
"non-whites" practice (d), because he knows that (d) will be
outcompeted by (c).
Fortunately, Jackson is onto this:
--- Quote ---
> Jackson wondered why LaCour would make such a claim given that
framers of the 14th Amendment — which guaranteed equal
protection to all people, including former slaves — did not
intend it to be “race-neutral or race-blind.”
>
> “I don’t think we can assume that just because race is taken
into account that that necessarily creates an equal protection
problem,” Jackson said.
>
> She said the framers themselves adopted the Equal Protection
Clause “in a race-conscious way.”
>
> “The entire point of the amendment was to secure rights of the
freed former slaves,” Jackson said.
>
> Jackson, the court’s newest justice and first Black woman ever
to sit on its bench, then cited the Civil Rights Act of 1866,
“which specifically stated that Black citizens would have the
same civil rights as enjoyed by white citizens.”
>
> “I don’t think that the historical record establishes that the
founders believed that race neutrality or race blindness was
required,” she said. “That’s the point of that act, to make sure
that the other citizens, the Black citizens, would have the same
[rights] as the white citizens.”
--- End Quote ---
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/voter-suppression/
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 21, 2023, 10:18 pm
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Our enemies complain about folkism beating ethnotribalism:
HTML https://vdare.com/articles/nancy-yao-face-of-the-great-replacement-at-increasingly-anti-white-smithsonian
--- Quote ---
>
HTML https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/59603/VDARE-cleburne-nancy-yaoupdate.jpg
> ...
> last Monday, March 13th we learned Nancy Yao Named First
Director of the New Smithsonian American Women’s History Museum.
>
> This appointment of course is a vicious insult to the probably
thousands of better qualified white women, particularly of
Founding Stock origin, who might reasonably expect to head this
major institution, which if it has any integrity at all, has to
be primarily about the activities of their ancestors. Indeed,
it raises serious doubts about what is intended.
>
> In her thanks quoted in the announcement above, Nancy Yao said
she was
>
> Indebted to Lonnie Bunch, Kevin Gover …and interim director
Lisa Sasaki
>
> Lonnie Bruce, Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution, is
black.
>
> Kevin Gover, Under Secretary for Museums and Culture, is “a
citizen of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma.”
>
> Lisa Sasaki, director of the Smithsonian Asian Pacific
American Center, is ethnically Japanese.
> ...
> Jumping on the BLM bandwagon, she reopened the Museum of
Chinese In America after COVID with a me-too exhibit, Responses:
Asian American Voices Resisting the Tides of Racism. The top
photo on this account is of an Asian woman holding up a sign
reading “Yellow Peril supports Black Power.”
> ...
>
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frwe5NUWIA8NJ4z?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
> ...
> So, no white woman to lead the American Women’s History Museum
(forget about a man!). And on present indications, whites will
appear only as a foil for Coalition of the Fringes Triumphalism.
>
> This is the Great Replacement at work.
--- End Quote ---
:)
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 1, 2023, 5:03 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg24050/#msg24050
Ahimsa activist is also a folkist:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/inmate-stabbed-derek-chauvin-22-214324695.html
--- Quote ---
> John Turscak stabbed Chauvin 22 times at the Federal
Correctional Institution in Tucson and said he would've killed
Chauvin had correctional officers not responded so quickly,
federal prosecutors said.
>
> Turscak, serving a 30-year sentence for crimes committed while
a member of the Mexican Mafia gang, told investigators he
thought about attacking Chauvin for about a month
> ...
> Turscak told FBI agents interviewing him after the assault
that he attacked Chauvin on Black Friday as a symbolic
connection to the Black Lives Matter movement, which garnered
widespread support in the wake of Floyd's death, and the “Black
Hand” symbol associated with the Mexican Mafia, prosecutors
said.
--- End Quote ---
Woke comments:
--- Quote ---
> Some heros don't wear capes
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Give that man a medal.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> It's called Karma or what goes around comes around.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 9, 2023, 6:22 pm
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Hamas folkism:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-hostages-singled-brutal-treatment-193330051.html
--- Quote ---
> Israeli hostages were singled out for especially brutal
treatment by their Hamas captors, Thai farm workers freed by the
terror group have said.
> ...
> “The Israeli hostages had it worse,” said Manee Jirachat,
another of the Thai hostages who survived 50 days in Hamas
captivity.
>
> Their Hamas guards would shout at the Israelis while the Thai
hostages received medication, he told German broadcaster
Deutsche Welle.
> ...
> At one point, a guard left behind a pen, which helped the men
to pass their time, marking their days in captivity, drawing
tattoos and sketching out a chessboard on the plastic sheet that
also served as their bedding.
>
> On day 35, a man in black arrived for an inspection. The
hostages believed he was a senior leader, given how he acted and
how the guards responded.
>
> “I didn’t think I would get released,” Anucha said.
>
> But suddenly, one day, a guard showed up and said: “Thailand,
go home.”
--- End Quote ---
It goes without saying that Palestinians are more closely
ancestrally related to Israelis than to Thais (see diagram A):
HTML https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41431-019-0542-y/MediaObjects/41431_2019_542_Fig1_HTML.png
Thus, once again, what matters is not ancestral relatedness (as
ethnotribalists advocate), but shared history of oppression by
the same oppressors (who themselves invariably practiced
ethnotribalism). Whereas Palestine was subjected to the Balfour
Declaration:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/israel/msg352/#msg352
Thailand was subjected to:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowring_Treaty
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> British subjects were placed under consular
jurisdiction—Britons could not be prosecuted by local Siamese
authorities without consent from the British government. Thus,
for the first time, Siam granted extraterritoriality to aliens
from Great Britain.
> ...
> The treaty was similar in nature to the unequal treaties
signed between the Qing government and various Western powers
after the First and Second Opium Wars. The Siamese delegation
was concerned about Bowring's intentions given the fact that
negotiations between Siam and the British Rajah of Sarawak, Sir
James Brooke, just five years earlier had ended badly; Brooke
had threatened to dispatch his fleet to bombard Siamese ports
after negotiations broke down.[6]
> ...
> The treaty eventually led other Western powers to sign their
own bilateral treaties, based on the terms set by the Bowring
Treaty.[1]
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 15, 2023, 8:03 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg24426/#msg24426
Ethnotribalists continue their perpetual failure to understand
the beauty of folkism:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/why-mayor-wu-s-electeds-of-color-is-such-a-bad-look
--- Quote ---
> nobody would bat an eye at a party for black politicians or
Irish politicians
--- End Quote ---
As anti-identitarians, we would oppose such gatherings.
--- Quote ---
> the “of color” category is fairly new and only exists as a
vehicle of anti-whiteism. There is nothing unifying “electeds of
color” other than they aren’t white.
--- End Quote ---
That's the unification that matters!
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 9, 2024, 3:01 am
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The method by which the centre and left held off RN can
structurally be considered folkist:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWySZV-xzFQ
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Re: Ethnotribalism - the computer simulation
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 13, 2024, 12:59 pm
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Our enemies can't stand folkism because they understand how
powerful it is:
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2024/09/13/globo-mojo-minority-rights-will-not-apply-to-whites/
--- Quote ---
> [quote]“Global majority” is a collective term for people of
Indigenous, African, Asian, or Latin American descent, who
constitute approximately 85 percent of the global population. It
has been used as an alternative to terms which are seen as
racialized like “ethnic minority” and “person of color” (POC),
or more regional terms like “visible minority” in Canada and
“Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic” (BAME) in the United Kingdom.
It roughly corresponds to people whose heritage can be traced
back to nations of the Global South. […] The term was used as
early as 2003 as a way to challenge the normativity of a white
majority or Eurocentric perspective, through Rosemary
Campbell-Stephens’ work on leadership preparation within the
school sector. Its proponents argue that terms like “ethnic
minority” marginalize the skills, the ways of thinking, and the
lived experiences of those from African, Asian, indigenous, or
dual-heritage backgrounds. Collectively, these groups are said
to constitute 85 percent of the global population. Therefore,
terms like ethnic minority, person of color, visible minority,
and BAME were criticized as racializing ethnicity. (“Global
Majority” defined at Wikipedia)
--- End Quote ---
...
How can the hugely diverse “skills,” “ways of thinking” and
“lived experiences” of Somalis and Sinhalese, Tibetans and
Tongans, Inuit and Indonesians, be crammed together in such a
reductive, complexity-crushing way?[/quote]
Folkism.
--- Quote ---
> Plainly, the only thing that the “global majority” have in
common is that they aren’t stale pale Europeans. They are being
defined and homogenized purely by reference to Whites,
--- End Quote ---
Yes. This is what folkism means.
--- Quote ---
> which is repulsively wrong and rebarbatively racist.
--- End Quote ---
It wouldn't be happening if you had never started calling
yourselves "whites".
--- Quote ---
> Up till now, leftism has justified the privileging of
non-Whites and punishment of Whites on the basis that Whites are
the oppressive majority and non-Whites are vulnerable
minorities.
--- End Quote ---
Who colonized whom?
--- Quote ---
> The term “global majority” represents a shift to a new way of
thinking. In the past, non-Whites have had mojo as minorities.
In the future, they will have mojo as the majority.
--- End Quote ---
Because they are the colonized.
--- Quote ---
> Whites will shift from the oppressive majority to a villainous
minority. And they will continue to be punished.
--- End Quote ---
Because they are the colonizers.
--- Quote ---
> But suppose that the Hollow Earth hypothesis turns out to be
true and that 100 billion Whites reveal their presence next week
from a vast underground world. In that case, Whites would become
the undisputed “global majority” and leftists would instantly
convert the term from positive to pejorative.
--- End Quote ---
Because that would not change who colonized whom.
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