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Re: Genghis Khan
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 19, 2024, 2:38 am
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They look optimistic to a degree that cannot be described in
words.
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Re: Genghis Khan
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 30, 2025, 8:18 pm
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While replying in the other topic, I came across this:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Four-class_system
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> The population was divided into the following classes:[146]
>
> Mongols. The Mongols were called "Gao-chen"[Chinese script
needed] (the citizens of the ruling empire) by the conquered
Southern Song population.[147]
>
> Semu, consisting of non-Mongol foreigners from the west and
Central Asia, like Buddhist Uyghurs from Turfan, Tanguts,
Tibetans, Jews, Nestorian Christians, and Muslims from Central
Asia.[148][146]
>
> Han, a category usually referring to Han Chinese people, but
under Yuan usage referred to various peoples, most of whom were
former subjects of the Jurchen Jin dynasty such as Han Chinese
in Northern China, Jurchens, Khitans, but also Koreans and other
ethnicities who lived north of the Huaihe
River[149]: 247 [146]
>
> Nan (Southerners), or all subjects of the former Southern Song
dynasty, including ethnic Han Chinese and minority native ethnic
groups in southern China, as well as the people of the Dali
Kingdom. They were sometimes called "Manzi" during the Yuan
dynasty. They were on the "bottom of the privilege ladder" in
Yuan society.[146]
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Notably:
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> the Northern Chinese were ranked higher than the Southern
Chinese, because the Song dynasty in southern China fought
longer and surrendered later.
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yandi-vs-huangdi-myth-confirmed/
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Re: Genghis Khan
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 21, 2025, 5:56 pm
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This is equivalent to Israel moving its capital from Tel Aviv to
Jerusalem:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fPinVV0exE
The release of this story should be enough for China to nuke the
site. But instead the "New Chinese" are currently calling for
nuking Japan. (I hardly need to remind the Mongols have been
invading China over and over again for millennia (hence the need
for the Great Wall) whereas Japan and China had friendly
relations for millennia until Japan absorbed Western thought
during the Meiji Restoration.) How is reviving Karakorum not far
worse than visiting the Yasukuni Shrine? Yet the "New Chinese"
will only complain about the latter.
They can't stop tweeting about Nanking, but never once mention
how many Chinese the Mongols killed, raped and enslaved during
the Mongol invasion. Why not? (Hint: on average, Mongols are
taller whereas Japanese are shorter; see also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/re-turanian-diffusion/msg945/#msg945<br
/>)
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_the_Song_dynasty
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> Casualties and losses
> Very heavy
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> In 1273, Fancheng capitulated, the Mongols putting the entire
population to death by sword
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> Resistance continued, resulting in Bayan's massacre of the
inhabitants of Changzhou in 1275 and mass suicide of the
defenders at Changsha in January 1276.
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> The Song dynasty elite were unwilling to submit to Mongol
rule, and opted for death by suicide. The Song councilor Lu
Xiufu, who had been tasked with holding the child-emperor Zhao
Bing of the Song in his arms during the battle, also elected to
join the Song leaders in death. It is uncertain whether he or
others decided that the young Emperor should die as well. In any
event, the councilor jumped into the sea, still holding the
child in his arms. Tens of thousands of Song officials and women
also threw themselves into the sea and drowned.
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Another (perhaps?) possible reason why "New Chinese" never
complain about the Mongol invasion:
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> Southern Song Chinese troops who defected and surrendered to
the Mongols were granted Korean women as wives by the Mongols,
whom the Mongols earlier took during their invasion of Korea as
war booty.[38]
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::)
Descriptive excerpts about the Mongol invasions from The
Lightning and the Sun:
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> The Mongols, says Harold Lamb, “led out the people of
> walled towns, examining then carefully and ordering the
skilled workers —
> who would be useful — to move apart. Then the soldiers went
through the
> ranks of helpless human beings, killing methodically with
their swords and
> hand axes — as harvesters would go through a field of standing
wheat. They
> took the wailing women by the hair, bending forwards their
heads, to sever
> the spine more easily. They slaughtered with blows on the bead
men who
> resisted weakly.”4 It is said that about nine million people
were thus put to
> the sword
> ...
> even if the figures were to be brought down to their half,
still they would
> suggest a magnitude of slaughter unprecedented in history.
>
> It is noticeable that material signs of power, wealth or
culture —
> strong walls, works of irrigation, libraries; — for which the
conquerors had
> no use, were no more respected than human life
> ...
> As we have seen, in all the conqueror’s
> campaigns, cities that had, to any extent, resisted the
Mongols, had been
> destroyed, and the greater part of their inhabitants put to
the sword. But the
> blood of the Golden Family, even though it were shed through
the veins of
> one single individual, was still more precious, in Genghis
Khan’s eyes, than
> that of any number of Mongol soldiers, and cried for a greater
vengeance.
> The old Khakhan, therefore, commanded that all living
creatures — people
> without the customary discrimination between the useful and
the useless;
> beasts; and the very birds of the air, — be killed to the last
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Woke comments from the video link:
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> Genghis Khan is a mass murderer whose Mongolia people praise
him like a hero is ridiculous
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> That clown actually has a picture of Genghis Khan on his wall,
like what
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> They are really obsessed with their ancestors war crimes
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> Moving the capital back will make this move as a attempt to
glorify the Mongol empire's war crime.
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> Why does Mongolia get away with celebrating the Mongol Empire?
Even amongst the ranks of Empires, the Mongols were utter brutal
and heartless. They should be making amends to the nations
surrounding them that they brutalised, not celebrating it.
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> Mongolia is the country equivalent of "peaking in high school"
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> Imagine they were school shooter and killed one third of the
school.
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> In the past, after all those conquests, instead of moving
their people to the lands with good soils for farming, they
chose to to conquest further
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Re: Genghis Khan
DIR By: Zhang Caizhi
Date: November 21, 2025, 10:06 pm
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_Genghis_Khan
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> Ejin Horo fell to the Communists at the end of 1949 and was
controlled by their Northwest Bureau until the establishment of
Suiyuan Province the next year.[10] The district's Communists
set up rituals honouring Genghis Khan in the early 1950s, but
abolished the traditional religious offices surrounding them
like the Jinong and controlled the cult through local committees
with loyal Party cadres.[10] Without the relics, they relied
largely on singing and dancing groups.[10] In 1953, the PRC's
central government approved the recently formed Inner Mongolian
provincial government's request for 800,000 RMB to create the
present permanent structures.[3] Early the next year,[15] the
central government permitted the return of the objects at Kumbum
to the site being constructed at Ejin Horo.[10] The region's
chairman Ulanhu officiated at the first ritual after their
return, decrying the Nationalists for having "stolen" them.[10]
After this ritual, he immediately held a second ceremony to
break ground on a permanent temple to house the objects and the
khan's cult, again approved and paid for by China's central
government.[10] By 1956, this new temple was completed, greatly
expanding the purview of the original shrine.[14] Rather than
having eight separate shrines throughout Ejin Horo for the Great
Khan, his wives, and his children, all were placed together; a
further 20 sacred and venerated objects from around the Ordos
were also brought to the new site.[14] The government also
mandated that the main ritual would be held in the summer rather
than in the third lunar month, in order to make it more
convenient for the headers to maintain their spring work
schedules.[14] With the Darkhads no longer liable for personally
paying for maintenance of the shrine, most accepted these
changes.[14] An especially large celebration was held in 1962 to
mark the 800th anniversary of Genghis Khan's birth.[15]
>
> In 1968, the Cultural Revolution's Red Guards destroyed almost
everything of value at the shrine.[14] For 10 years, the
buildings themselves were turned into a salt depot as part of
preparations for a potential war with the Soviet Union.[27]
>
> Following Deng Xiaoping's Opening Up Policy, the site was
restored by 1982[3] and sanctioned for "patriotic education"[14]
as a AAAA-rated tourist attraction.[3] Replicas of the former
relics were made, and a great marble statue of Genghis was
completed in 1989.[28] Priests at the museum now claim that all
of the Red Guards who desecrated the tomb have died in abnormal
ways, suffering a kind of curse.[29]
>
> Mongolians continued to complain about the poor state of the
mausoleum.[30] A 2001 proposal for its refurbishment was finally
approved in 2004.[30] Unrelated houses, stores, and hotels were
removed from the area of the mausoleum to a separate area 3 km
(1.9 mi) away and replaced with new structures in the same style
as the mausoleum.[30] The 150-million-RMB (about $20
million)[31] improvement plan was carried out from 2005 to 2006,
improving the site's infrastructure, expanding its courtyard,
and decorating and repairing its existing buildings and
walls.[32] The China National Tourism Administration named the
site a AAAAA-rated tourist attraction in 2011.[33]
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