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Re: Communism
By: guest78 Date: August 2, 2022, 7:01 pm
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Don't trust the Yuri Bezmenov character all that much
personally, nor do I give too much credence to his "ideological
subversion" lecture, but, I believe anyone with a little
discernment should now be able to see how effective
Turanian\Russian subversion in the U.S. has been, especially
when taking Trumpism into account:
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/rightist-militias/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/rightist-mass-shootings/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/racist-bullying/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/state-subverters/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/military-subverters/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/voter-suppression/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/karenism-(a-k-a-ethnic-profiling-by-civilians)/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/
Related:
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/
First topic on the subversion list above, "Religion":
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height=1280]
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I would argue most U.S. citizen's do not understand their own
beliefs at this point, or how they arrived at those conclusions.
Those who are confused all believe they arrived at the
conclusions they have by themselves though, this I am sure of!
See also: By Attacking Brittney Griner, Trump Signals to His
Base: “I’m Still Racist”
HTML https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/brittney-griner-trump-racism/
I'm also sure that most human-beings will never admit when
they've been played for a sucka!
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Re: Communism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 21, 2022, 7:44 pm
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Our enemies again academically agree with us that authentic
Marxism/communism is rightist (while False Leftists
Kasparian/Uygur as usual are behind the curve):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDh7WZITNg
1:27-1:50
[quote]"Communism and Marxism historically have always been
conservative. It's a new era of 'communism' in the West that
claims to be adherent to these liberal-leftist values. This is
not true Marxism, you know; this is 'Marxism' funded by George
Soros, and they trying to take away what Marxism actually means
for the American people.[/quote]
Previously:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-last-word-on-marxism/
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-communist-betrayal-to-the-islamic-world/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg8823/#msg8823
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/hitler-the-face-of-anti-tribalism/msg14747/#msg14747
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Re: Communism
By: rp Date: September 25, 2022, 5:46 am
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Wait a minute, I thought you said communism was false leftist
before?
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Re: Communism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 25, 2022, 6:05 pm
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What I meant is that present-day leftists who call themselves
"communists" are surely False Leftists. But such leftists are
not practicing communism correctly. Only rightists practice
communism correctly (whether or not they call themselves
"communists").
Recall from Aryanism.net:
[quote]Marx, while critical of capitalism itself, viewed the
spread of capitalism to non-Western countries via Western
colonialism as an indirectly beneficial development for his own
ends, as only thus would non-Western societies be thrust into
economic conditions that make communist revolution attractive,
whereas communist revolution would have been a much harder sell
to non-Western countries had they remained pre-capitalist.
Incidentally, this makes it inconsistent for any serious
anti-communist to believe in Western superiority.[/quote]
[quote]
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Marx (Jew): true founder of the Alt-Right?
...
Indeed, considering the popular appreciation for the Iron
Curtain among today’s far-right for shielding the people inside
from the Counterculture ideas that spread around the rest of the
world during the late 20th century, it could be argued that it
is today’s far-rightists who are most communist-sympathetic. In
fact, When today’s far-rightists talk about how much more
masculine the “white working class” are compared to the “silver
spoon fags”, they are making almost the exact same association
between prole and masculine, and between bourgeois and
non-masculine, that the real communists used to make in their
propaganda. In this sense, they themselves psychologically
resemble the real communists much more closely than those whom
they wrongly label as “communists”. The only difference is that
they add “white” in front of “working class” because they feel
no solidarity with the “non-white” working class.)
HTML http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/lenin.jpg[/quote]
[quote]Dietrich Eckart considered Moses (Jew) to be the first
Bolshevik[/quote]
Please also re-read:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-last-word-on-marxism/
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/
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Re: Communism
By: rp Date: September 27, 2022, 7:31 am
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Ok, but what about here, where you are specifically referring to
the ideology of communism, and not to present day False
Leftists?:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-true-left-is-emerging/comment-page-2/#comment-174316
Would you also say that the "anti-racist" intiatives of the USSR
was merely propaganda, even though racism was made ilelgal?
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Re: Communism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 27, 2022, 3:23 pm
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The question was:
[quote]“In the False Left/True Left dichotomy, where would
communism be?”[/quote]
to which I answered:
[quote]False Left.[/quote]
At that point, we were only considering where to place communism
within the leftist axis. I admit some confusion could have been
caused by the next part:
[quote]“given that it is, in essence, class-based tribalism,
would it not, in fact, be more accurate to place it at the
right, together with the other forms of tribalism?”
No, because tribalism is not what makes an ideology rightist. A
positive evaluation of Western civilization is what makes an
ideology rightist:[/quote]
I stand by my above statement as a disagreement with Hypnotix's
reasoning that tribalism implies rightism, but I hereby clarify
that it would indeed be acceptable to place communism on the
right, THOUGH NOT BECAUSE IT IS CLASS-BASED TRIBALISM (thus
standing by my above statement), but because it evaluates
Western civilization positively, as I implicitly noted
subsequently:
[quote]I do state that Marx has something in common with
neocons, but since neocons are only one faction of rightists,
this cannot be considered a general rightist position. Besides,
Marx only wanted capitalism to spread so that it could then be
overthrown, whereas a sincere neocon would want it to spread and
last.[/quote]
To summarize:
1) If we were limited to classifying communism only along the
False Left/True Left dichotomy, we would classify communism as
False Left.
2) If we are permitted to classify communism as rightist, there
is a case for doing so.
3) False Leftists are caught in the self-contradiction of liking
progressivism while not wanting to credit Western civilization
for progressivism due to their dislike of Western colonialism.
Marx avoids this by finding a uniquely cynical way to like
Western colonialism. On this account Marx is more similar to
rightists than typical False Leftists are. Marx is a proud
Westerner who merely disagrees that capitalism is the
culmination of Western civilization, believing instead that
communism is the culmination of Western civilization.
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Re: Communism
By: christianbethel Date: September 27, 2022, 5:41 pm
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When you say 'progressivism', are you talking about the
'innovation and technology' progressivism or the 'social
justice' progressivism?
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Re: Communism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 27, 2022, 5:55 pm
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Both.
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Re: Communism
By: rp Date: September 27, 2022, 8:25 pm
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Ok, that makes sense. Especially when we consider that the USSR
and the bolshevik Untermensch continued to remain racist
(ethnotribalist) in their policies even after the state
supposedly forbode racism. There had to be some degree of
compatibility with the underlying ideology there for that to
have been possible.
On the other hand, adherents of present-day False Leftism cannot
be racist as it incorporates into its following Gentiles from
all ethnicities, which is only possible because of the ideology
itself.
TLDR;
Communism = Right wing progressivism/egalitarianism
False Leftism = "Left wing" progressivism/egalitarianism
I recall you mentioned that it is possible for supposed
"egalitarian" ideologies to be right wing since they are not
really egalitarian at all (e.g. the plebian hubris of
enlightenment liberalism that all "white" men are equal).
So can we say that classical liberalism can similarly be
classified as a right wing ideology, given its positive
evaluation of Western Civilization, and also that we could
classify it as False Left within the False Left-True Left axis?
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Re: Communism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 27, 2022, 9:16 pm
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"So can we say that classical liberalism can similarly be
classified as a right wing ideology, given its positive
evaluation of Western Civilization, and also that we could
classify it as False Left within the False Left-True Left axis?"
Yes. The rhetoric of early post-9/11 Islamophobia, for example,
was primarily rooted in classical liberalism.
There is no such thing as a coherent False Leftist ideology.
Except for pure relativism (which is incoherent anyway), all
other supposed False Left ideologies eventually expose
themselves as rightist ideologies when explicitly challenged to
comparatively evaluate Western and non-Western civilizations.
When we talk about False Leftists, we are mainly talking about
people, specifically people who when cornered will admit that
they consider Western civilization superior, but who will try to
avoid being cornered in order to avoid reaching this conclusion.
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