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How Old Is Chinese Civilization?
By: guest78 Date: July 1, 2022, 12:39 am
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How Old Is Chinese Civilization? - Ancient Civilizations
DOCUMENTARY
[quote]The Kings and Generals animated historical documentary
series on the ancient civilizations continues with a video on
the Shang and Zhou dynasties, as we try to deduce ho old Chinese
civilization is.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXpsbSQFKg
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: SirGalahad Date: June 10, 2023, 6:44 pm
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@90sRetroFan What’s your opinion on China’s logographic writing
system in general (both simplified and traditional)? Personally,
I don’t like simplified Chinese, not because of its intended
goal, but because it doesn’t go far enough. Simplified Chinese
still takes a long time to learn, just like traditional Chinese.
And some of the characters are simplified in ways that are
completely arbitrary, and actually make the character harder to
remember than the traditional version in some cases, even if the
simplified character takes less time to write (And that’s
another thing. We barely write things on paper anymore anyways).
I don’t think that they should go with Pinyin, which I’m almost
100% sure that they would do if they ever decided to drop
characters entirely. We already have enough languages adopting
the Roman alphabet as is, and I’d prefer that they stick it to
the man and choose something that isn’t influenced by western
culture.
Maybe they could use a modified version of the Manichaean
script. That would be really cool, and make historical and
cultural sense if it wants to connect with its Gnostic past:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaean_script
Or a modified version of one of the Indic scripts, to create
more positive relations with India and drum up the Buddhist
connection between the two:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmic_scripts
I think it’s kind of inefficient to use a writing system that
students in China are still learning as they basically go
through the entire schooling system, instead of having it be a
one and done affair. It would also make it easier for potential
immigrants to assimilate. I think that Chinese characters look
cool and I have a soft spot for them since I’ve always found
Chinese culture interesting, but considering we aren’t
preservationists, I’m trying to approach it more logistically
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Re: Re: Arctic alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 10, 2023, 8:58 pm
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"What’s your opinion on China’s logographic writing system in
general (both simplified and traditional)?"
I can't stand simplified form. Traditional form is the form
standardized during the Qin dynasty, thus should be recognized
as a defining characteristic of China. The Sinosphere should be
given special credit for being the last civilization to keep
using the system that that was once (back in Neolithic times)
widely considered the most sensible system:
[img width=826
height=1280]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Comparative_evolution_of_Cuneiform%2C_Egyptian_and_Chinese_characters.jpg[/img]
We should view the switch to pronounciation-dependent systems as
a form of post-Neolithic degeneracy.
"I don’t think that they should go with Pinyin"
I agree. The practical advantage of the logographic system is
that the character is independent of how it is pronounced. Even
someone born deaf can read logographic text without diminished
communicative quality. Whereas with pronounciation-dependent
systems:
HTML https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201507/can-you-read-language-you-can-t-hear
[quote]Educators and psychologists alike have long debated the
reasons why the vast majority of deaf children struggle with
reading.
...
When hearing individuals read, they decode written symbols into
speech sounds to recreate a spoken text. Learners read out loud,
but even proficient readers create a “voice in their heads.”
Accessing the meaning of a written word, then, is a two-step
process: first convert the written item into spoken format, and
then access the meaning of that spoken word.[/quote]
This is not the case with logographic writing which does not
require conversion of the written item into a spoken format in
the first place, which is why logographic systems are superior:
meaning is accessed in a single step.
"Maybe they could use a modified version of the Manichaean
script."
"Or a modified version of one of the Indic scripts"
This would have the same problem as Pinyin in tying the
character to one particular pronounciation, which is what we are
trying to avoid.
"to create more positive relations with India"
The superior Indus Valley civilization also used a logographic
system:
[img]
HTML https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7a98966fa37192ae84cb02596d4225f0[/img]
It was the inferior Vedics who put an end to it.
"I think it’s kind of inefficient to use a writing system that
students in China are still learning as they basically go
through the entire schooling system, instead of having it be a
one and done affair."
The problem is with Westernized "New China" trying to force
everyone learn it all, and at a fixed pace, which was never the
original intention. In ancient China (where compulsory schooling
never existed, of course), different sectors of society would
learn as much or as little of it as they variously needed for
practical purposes in their respective walks of life, and do so
at their own pace. This is what we need to get back to.
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Re: Re: Arctic alliance
By: HikariDude Date: June 11, 2023, 12:41 pm
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You know now that you mention how inferior oral languages are,
that brings me an idea. Should we make emojis and emoticons the
true international language (as opposed to English) since they
are, always were and should always be, a non-oral
language/writing system?
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Re: Re: Arctic alliance
By: antihellenistic Date: June 11, 2023, 5:57 pm
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[quote]You know now that you mention how inferior oral languages
are, that brings me an idea. Should we make emojis and emoticons
the true international language (as opposed to English) since
they are, always were and should always be, a non-oral
language/writing system?[/quote]
I hope so, like this good man Khaby :
HTML https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMzocLAchX/
HTML https://www.instagram.com/p/CsjhRIbA0qR/
He always promoting activities which resulting simplicity
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Re: Turanian diffusion
By: antihellenistic Date: April 10, 2024, 9:30 am
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Fellow "Turanians" proud on their Cruelty
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Re: How Old Is Chinese Civilization?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 10, 2024, 3:21 pm
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Imperialism =/= colonialism. Chinese imperialism was
consistently integrationist throughout history:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yandi-vs-huangdi-myth-confirmed/msg17310/#msg17310
in contrast to Western colonial empires. The mainstream
"academics" criticized by Duchesne for praising the non-Western
ancient empires (as well as Roman) understand this. Duchesne
does not, nor does the tweeter he is quoting. You yourself seem
confused about this.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/
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Re: Arctic alliance
By: antihellenistic Date: May 2, 2024, 12:17 am
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Evolution of Northern Turanism, Adopting Western Civilization
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Re: Re: Arctic alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 2, 2024, 2:01 am
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Engineering =/= machinism. Ancient Chinese were good at
engineering in the sense of infrastructure:
HTML https://news.wef.org/discovering-an-ancient-hydraulic-system-rewrites-chinese-engineering-history/
(See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-hydraulic-empire/<br
/>)
but this has nothing to do with machines which is what the
illiterate enemy tweeter is incorrectly using the term
"engineering" to refer to. Ancient Turanians, in contrast, did
not bother with long-term infrastructure due to their nomadism.
Engineering helped defend against Turanian raiders since
prehistory:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-fortifications/msg3132/#msg3132
and of course later:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China
[quote]The Great Wall of China (traditional Chinese:
萬里長城; simplified Chinese:
万里长城; pinyin: Wànlǐ Chángchéng,
literally "ten thousand li long wall") is a series of
fortifications that were built across the historical northern
borders of ancient Chinese states and Imperial China as
protection against various nomadic groups from the Eurasian
Steppe. Several walls were built from as early as the 7th
century BC,[4] with selective stretches later joined by Qin Shi
Huang (220–206 BC), the first emperor of China.[/quote]
Engineering:
[quote]Before the use of bricks, the Great Wall was mainly built
from rammed earth[/quote]
HTML https://www.designboom.com/cms/images/erica/---luanda/luanda09.gif
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammed_earth#Characteristics
[quote]Edifices of rammed earth are more sustainable and
environmentally friendly than other building techniques that use
more cement and other chemicals. Because rammed-earth edifices
use locally available materials, they usually have low embodied
energy and generate very little waste.[citation needed] The
soils used are typically subsoil which conserve the topsoil for
agriculture. When the soil excavated in preparation for a
foundation can be used, the cost and energy consumption of
transportation are minimal.[8] Rammed earth is probably the
least environmentally detrimental construction material and
technique that is readily and commercially available today to
construct solid edifices. [citation needed] Rammed earth has
potentially low manufacturing impact, contingent on the amount
of cement and the amount that is locally sourced; it is often
quarried aggregates rather than "earth".
Rammed earth can contribute to the overall energy efficiency of
edifices: the density, thickness, and thermal conductivity of
rammed earth render it an especially suitable material for
passive solar heating. Warmth requires almost 12 hours to be
conducted through a wall 35 cm (14 in) thick.[6]
Mixing cement with the soil can counteract sustainable benefits
such as low embodied energy because manufacture of the cement
itself creates 1.25 tonnes of carbon dioxide per tonne of cement
produced.[9] Although it has low greenhouse gas emissions in
theory, transportation and the production of cement can add
significantly[quantify] to the overall emissions of modern
rammed earth construction.[/quote]
Superior Aryan alternative to cement:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_rice_mortar
[quote]Around 500 CE, sticky rice soup was mixed with slaked
lime to make an inorganic−organic composite mortar that
had more strength and water resistance than lime mortar.[1][2]
Sticky rice played a major role in maintaining the durability of
the Great Wall, as well as tombs, pagodas, and city walls.[3]
Sticky rice mortar had high adhesive strength, sturdiness,
waterproofing capability, and prevented weeds from growing as
crude mortar made of sticky rice and burnt lime created a seal
between bricks that would rival modern cement in strength.
...
Great Wall sections were widely built with bricks, with lime
mortar and sticky rice used to reinforce the bricks strongly
enough to resist earthquakes and modern bulldozers while keeping
the building intact.[/quote]
Regressive engineering FTW!
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg13140/#msg13140<br
/>(part about buttons)
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg13158/#msg13158
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Re: How Old Is Chinese Civilization?
By: rp Date: May 2, 2024, 2:26 am
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Civil Engineering is the original engineering field. All other
fields (mechanical, chemical, metallurgical, electrical,
electronics, and computer) should have and would have never
existed without western civilization. Even mechanical is fine so
long as it is making automatons and not machinery (industrial
revolution), but all the other fields are superfluous.
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