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Debate with the Capitalist
By: guest30 Date: June 29, 2022, 11:41 pm
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@90sRetroFan
They say that today's world are fine with capitalism. It proven
that many nations are capitalist by economic system. And
socialist nations are not many and even few, so according to
them it is a sign that socialism are fail whatever it's shape.
My only answer now is, a system which try to free the enslaved
people deserves to be revived no matter it will fail on some
period of time, rather than the capitalism which already enslave
the non-Western world for more than 500 years, and still
continue to run today. Is there any good answer from you?
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 30, 2022, 1:27 am
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"It proven that many nations are capitalist by economic system.
And socialist nations are not many and even few, so according to
them it is a sign that socialism are fail whatever it's shape."
Popularity is not an indicator of quality. That popularity
should be assumed to indicate quality is itself a capitalist
assumption based on market behaviour (high demand for a product
= successful product). So the above statement says nothing
except that capitalism considers itself superior by its own
standards!
A more meaningful test of which economic system is qualitatively
better is how well it can handle various types of crises. You
can find comparative examples from history and use these to
support your case defending socialism.
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: guest30 Date: June 30, 2022, 3:12 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]A more meaningful test of which economic system is
qualitatively better is how well it can handle various types of
crises. You can find comparative examples from history and use
these to support your case defending socialism.[/quote]
United States with capitalist system can resulting much
revenues. But socialist nations like Cuba, Islamic Emirate of
Afghanistan and North Korea have stagnant economy. That is the
most often thing which argued by the capitalist progressive. My
answer is, the socialist nation always struggle to make all
people live sufficient. When the capitalist nation always
struggle to enhance profits which generated from the
conglomerates's high quality business and services, which needs
to destroy the markets of small business and small services.
Which it makes many of low class people suffer from bankruptcy
and not got a good job. And unfair economic society always
exist. And also, the capitalist nations usually attack both
military and economically to the nation whom they want to prey,
for the sake make a profit from gaining another natural
resources from them unethically. So, capitalist nation, whether
they can exist longer, they not deserve to live, they live from
evilness and evil natural law. Rather than socialist nations
which always fall during it's duty to saving people from debt
and complex competition living on several years after gain
power. They deserve to be revive again and again. That is my
answer. What about your answer?
Ottoman Islamic Caliphate deserves to be revived
Sukarnoist Nusantara deserves to be revived
National Socialism deserves to be revived
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 30, 2022, 4:22 am
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"stagnant economy"
A stagnant economy is not a bad thing. It certainly makes more
sense than a constantly growing economy as capitalism expects.
"Stagnant" is a loaded term intended to convey a negative
impression; we should simply call it a static economy. This
means total productivity is fixed, which is normal in an
agrarian economy, since productivity is limited by the total
quantity of farmland (irrespective of how many workers are
working on it). This is what we should stick to on principle
even in an industrial economy. Once everyone is adequately
supplied with basic products, do not try to create new jobs by
producing extra products! Instead, if there are unemployed
people, simply split an existing shift into multiple shorter
shifts, so that they can be staffed by more people (but working
fewer hours each). Capitalism will never use this approach
because there is no profit incentive for it, but in socialism it
is common sense because it divides labour more evenly.
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: guest78 Date: July 1, 2022, 12:22 am
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[quote]We have a finite environment—the planet. Anyone who
thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment
is either a madman or an economist. — David Attenborough[/quote]
I am always reminded of this quote when I hear Western puppets
on the internet talk about economic growth. The concept of GDP
(Gross Domestic Product) in itself is a prime example of this
madness fools love to parrot without ever really thinking about
it, usually while wearing Western suits of course. The disease
cancer actually behaves similarly if you really think about
it...
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: guest30 Date: July 1, 2022, 12:47 am
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@NSFAN
[quote]"...The disease cancer actually behaves similarly if you
really think about it..."[/quote]
If you criticize the capitalist, usually to the people with
businessman background who like more profit everyday. They will
consider you as "toxic people with negative thinking and a
losers". That is their answer, no logical and knowledge, only
sarcasm. That is the problem. They don't want to realize and
confess your ironclad truth
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: HikariDude Date: December 30, 2022, 9:05 pm
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IK this topic (like Re: Dress Decolonization topic from
Questions and Debates board) was also started by kameradbaren
(now guest30) to debate with 90sRF, but I thought my question in
this topic would also also be faith to etymology as the question
I had on the other topic I asked.
In faith to the capitalism and business topic here, here's my
question:
Was business and marketing from the Counterculture-era (since
the 1980s) more agriculture based and settled compared to the
2001-present?
I understand the purpose of agriculture was not to attract more
people but to make labor easier, but comparing a method of
finding a settled area where individuals would go back
(Neolithic method) with a method of hunting for
individuals/groups to try to influence them to go to the area
(non-Neolithic method), would you prefer the Neolithic method to
the non-Neolithic? Also, do names for those methods already
exist? Because I would like to know.
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 31, 2022, 2:46 am
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"Was business and marketing from the Counterculture-era (since
the 1980s) more agriculture based and settled compared to the
2001-present?"
[img]
HTML https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exports/imports-of-goods-and-services-constant-2010-us.svg[/img]
"comparing a method of finding a settled area where individuals
would go back (Neolithic method) with a method of hunting for
individuals/groups to try to influence them to go to the area
(non-Neolithic method), would you prefer the Neolithic method to
the non-Neolithic?"
We need both the area and the individuals, so it doesn't make
sense to choose between them. Also, what you are talking about
has nothing to do with Neolithic/non-Neolithic.
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Re: Debate with the Capitalist
By: HikariDude Date: December 31, 2022, 11:23 am
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I just thought it would suit the agricultural worldview, due to
how a more settled area (like a farm) is more consistent than
targeting every individual to come.
And about the graph, It says there were more imported goods and
services in post-Counterculture era, which had less to do with
serving the local folk and more to do with throwing its goods
and services to people who don't settle in that area.
I believe businesses grew during post-Counterculture era due to
practices like targeting, which tribally chooses an in-group,
even if it meant excluding the out-group. There's also more
streaming. Back then there were Yellow Pages, Print Ads, TV
Commercials, etc. where they didn't need each customer's
accounts or identities to favor their interests. People didn't
need to know what exactly an individual was into in order to get
to know them.
There has also been a marketing practice since Counterculture
era (which is more art related) called:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gig
Which suits the idea of settling in an area to promote a good or
service. Though it's unexpected and temporary, then again:
"We need both the area and the individuals"
With Guerrilla gigs, you didn't need to sustainably occupy the
area. Street performers also don't occupy the area they perform
at.
"what you are talking about has nothing to do with
Neolithic/non-Neolithic."
Sure the methods might've not been from the Neolithic, but
settling in an area to serve its people fairly (like farms do
when serving its folk) is better than going up to a target
audience and favoring certain people (like hunters do searching
for food).
What kind of business methods do you think were practiced during
Counterculture era and what kinds were practiced during
post-Counterculture era?
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Economic Explanations
By: antihellenistic Date: October 9, 2024, 8:44 pm
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Free market means free to buy, sell, and produce. therefore the
money will tend to circulate toward the people whose products
are popular with the consumer, not to all producers, even though
the other producers also have good and safe products/services.
Such phenomena result in economic inequity, unhealthy social
living because of competition to attract consumers and thwart
other producers, and distrust between the failed people and the
people who succeed in economic struggle.
Such things will affect our living behavior too, we tend to
easily get triggered when other people achieve things more than
we got. In the competition, people tend to not share with others
because they do not want others to gain power from stuff they
already share, if it happens, they will easily get outcompeted.
They will do whatever makes them win, including damaging other
people's reputations and abilities, it can be done through
bullying, harassing, and spreading fake news about people whom
we want to lose
Western economic way of life (market mechanism and capitalism)
is inferior
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